From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #364 Dead-Flames Digest #364, Volume #48 Wed, 21 Sep 05 18:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: JGB ("alex sandoval") Re: Brave New World ("Richard Morris") Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page ("ck") Re: Brave New World (JC Martin) WinMX ("Dave") Re: WinMX ("ck") GDTSTOO - Phil Tour news flash/RatDog in Cleveland. ("katrinka") Re: Rex Benefit: Roll Call ("katrinka") Re: rock star (ndc) ("Criminal Fascist Monster") Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? ("Criminal Fascist Monster") Re: Rex Benefit: Roll Call (Ken Fortenberry) Rhino's Fillmore 3 disc set ("Olompali4") Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP ("Criminal Fascist Monster") Re: ndc-Katrina, Rita, Bush, Rove..its all a conspiracy. (Ken Fortenberry) Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page ("Deke_Rivers") Re: issues (ndc) ("Criminal Fascist Monster") Re: issues (ndc) ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Rex Benefit: Roll Call ("Dave Kelly") Re: Rex Benefi: Roll Call ("frndthdevl") Re: Rex Benefit: Roll Call (Ken Fortenberry) Re: WinMX ("Dave") Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page ("Bill") Re: issues (ndc) ("Ray") Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP (ba ba booie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "alex sandoval" Subject: Re: JGB Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:32:29 GMT this koons bashing is sexist and tiresome. adding the anti-german slant doesn't make it any better. isn't she jewish? is that your point? why don't we all get on yoko ono's case? after all she didn't just break up the beatles, she killed lennon (and she's japanese to boot!) oh, and isn't weir married too? why doesn't anyone ever point out that his horrible slide playing from the seventies was her fault? let's place blame where deserved. some say deadheads are lemmings. i know otherwise. there are plenty of you who aren't anti-koons, are anti-stagger lee, are anti garcia's performances on the last tour, and didn't need lsd to appreciate the dead. there are, aren't there? aren't there? there aren't? oh my.... ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:25:23 -0700 "JC Martin" wrote in message news:lolYe.209$u8.3423@typhoon.sonic.net... snip > I see your point of view. But I disagree that ADD/ADHD is a factual > disease. It has no scientific diagnosis such as cancer or heart disease. > > -JC > Of course ... I said a number of posts ago that it is syndrome-like. It is represented by a pattern of behaviors. And is not amenable to definitive diagnosis because the etiology is unknown. That was why I got so excited by Sherry's remark that there was a brain-scan diagnosis, because I thought perhaps she had become aware of something new. In reality, I suspect she mis-spoke about that. The problem with these sorts of ... let's call them "maladies" for want of a better term is that you never know indeed whether there is something biochemical going on, or whether it is a moral/cultural kind of issue (read Thomas Szasz, "Problems of Psychiatric Nosology"), for example, or his books on psychiatric diagnosis. R. ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:29:47 -0400 "volkfolk" wrote in message news:uKOdnRhM0a3UWqzeRVn-rg@comcast.com... > > "ck" wrote in message > news:_NOdnU2OOrAWVK3eRVn-rw@adelphia.com... > > > > "Bzl." wrote in message > > news:3pbvoaF9muahU1@individual.net... > >> > >> "Dave Kelly" wrote in message > >> news:Gy%Xe.683$Ur.351@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > >> > Really good article about the head led carpetbagger > >> > > >> > http://www.furious.com/perfect/jimmypage.html > >> > > >> It is up to you, gentle reader, to assess whether Jimmy Page and Led > >> Zeppelin deserve the prestige they have been accorded. Now, this may > > appear > >> to be nothing but gratuitous Page-bashing. Far from it. To this day, > >> Jimmy > >> Page is unacknowledged as one of the two the greatest psychedelic guitar > >> players ever. The other one is not Jimi Hendrix, but rather the > >> aforementioned Syd Barrett. Page's criminally underrated work with the > >> Yardbirds and on countless sessions (take note of his hypnotic work on > >> Donovan's "Sunshine Superman") reveal him to have set the standard for > >> lysergic discord par excellence. > >> > >> Another ridiculous statement, even if it is complimentary of Page. I can > >> think of at least one other "great" psychedelic guitar players. > >> > >> > > > > john cippolina??? lol......... > > Cippolina was a fucking monster. NOBODY sounded like him > > Scot > > my "lol" was not a slight of his playing . it was because i thought it was obvious to whom bzl was referring;JJG. ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:37:39 GMT Richard Morris wrote: > "JC Martin" wrote in message > news:lolYe.209$u8.3423@typhoon.sonic.net... > > snip > > >>I see your point of view. But I disagree that ADD/ADHD is a factual >>disease. It has no scientific diagnosis such as cancer or heart disease. >> >>-JC >> > > > Of course ... I said a number of posts ago that it is syndrome-like. It is > represented by a pattern of behaviors. And is not amenable to definitive > diagnosis because the etiology is unknown. That was why I got so excited > by Sherry's remark that there was a brain-scan diagnosis, because I thought > perhaps she had become aware of something new. In reality, I suspect she > mis-spoke about that. > > The problem with these sorts of ... let's call them "maladies" for want of > a better term is that you never know indeed whether there is something > biochemical going on, or whether it is a moral/cultural kind of issue (read > Thomas Szasz, "Problems of Psychiatric Nosology"), for example, or his books > on psychiatric diagnosis. I've read some Thomas Szasz, though never one of his entire books. He's actually somewhat aligned, unfortunately, with Citizens Commission on Human Rights, a Church of Scientology organization. As far as the rest of this debate, I don't know where we disagree so much accept in our own personal bias. And as far as Sherry, who you've defended admirably, she was challenged because she decided to brand herself the expert. This is Usenet. It's happened to me and there's no reason why even a nice lady like Sherry shouldn't be challenged when she speaks of media conspiracy and brain scans which definitively diagnose ADD. She also didn't share what alternative methods she used before medication. She was willing to share what drugs she put her kid but not what she tried beforehand. Too bad. Cause she might have taught me something. So I'm dick for the weak. Sorry, but I feel passionate about this subject. Peas, JC ------------------------------ From: "Dave" Subject: WinMX Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:36:35 +1200 WinMX has been dead for about a day. www.winmx.com and www.frontcode.com are getting 404s. Can't raise alt.music.mp3.winmx. Anybody know what's going on? Dave ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: WinMX Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:41:50 -0400 "Dave" wrote in message news:dgsqs0$7pu$1@lust.ihug.co.nz... > WinMX has been dead for about a day. www.winmx.com and www.frontcode.com > are getting 404s. Can't raise alt.music.mp3.winmx. Anybody know what's > going on? > > Dave > > RAIA. ------------------------------ From: "katrinka" Subject: GDTSTOO - Phil Tour news flash/RatDog in Cleveland. Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:43:21 -0400 The Shadow of the Moon tour: Atlantic City: Please be advised that the reserved section is rather small. We would not advise to order reserved tickets for 12.9 and 12.10. Reserved for 12.8 is still available, as are general admission tickets for all three shows. Other than that we will be able to fill all orders for all venues. Mail order remains open until further notice. We now know that taper tickets for Chicago will be in the $49.00 price range. ========= Bob Weir and RatDog will play the following show: Tuesday, November 1 at the House of Blues, Cleveland, OH. Doors and show time are TBA. All ages are welcome. General admission mail order tickets are $38.00. A very small amount of reserved tickets is available at $48.00. There will be a max of 2 tickets per order for the reserved seats. ========== Saturday, September 24: the "Comes a Time" show at the Berkeley Greek: Just making sure you all know that doors will be open at 3:30 PM (probably just a little later). Show time is 5:00 PM. 11:00 PM curfew. We're looking forward to seeing a lot of you there. The Crew of GDTSTOO 9.21.05 -- "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix Web Site: http://www.gdtstoo.com email: GDTSTOO@dead.net Customer Service Number: (415) 898-2364 Monday-Friday, 11am-5pm, PST. Tour information and mail order telephone hotline: 415-457-6388 To subscribe to our email announce list, send empty email to GDTSTOO-subscribe@yahoogroups.com - - - this message posted by katrinka, GDTSTOO subscriber ------------------------------ From: "katrinka" Subject: Re: Rex Benefit: Roll Call Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:49:20 -0400 I'll be with my mom - I traded up to reserved tickets so I could be sure she'd have a seat. Section 4, Row 5, seats 15 & 16 We're just above the large entrance aisle that semi-circles the stage, above the thrones. Look for two extremely young-looking flower geezers in full tie-dye. We both have long grey hair and wire-rim glasses. Ask us which one's the mom. :-) ------------------------------ From: "Criminal Fascist Monster" Subject: Re: rock star (ndc) Date: 21 Sep 2005 16:54:44 -0700 my idiotic wife watched every episode, i'm thrilled the fonalist she liked the least won...serves her goddamn right for relagating me to the basement to watch to bosox... and the fact it took a whole f-ing summmer for those sorry fools from down under to find a so-called replacement for MH was absurd...it's almost like the surviving dead members sold out to find a replacement for the fat man , garcia was to the dead as hutchence was to INXS then again, brooke burke has a great rack, so a whole season DID have some decent attributes ------------------------------ From: "Criminal Fascist Monster" Subject: Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? Date: 21 Sep 2005 16:55:46 -0700 don't forget your rubbers chief!! ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: Rex Benefit: Roll Call Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:57:31 GMT katrinka wrote: > I'll be with my mom - I traded up to reserved tickets so I could be sure > she'd have a seat. > Section 4, Row 5, seats 15 & 16 WHOA !! My wife Kristine and her friend Mary Ann are gonna be in Sec. 4, Row 6. > We're just above the large entrance aisle that semi-circles the stage, > above the thrones. Look for two extremely young-looking flower geezers in > full tie-dye. We both have long grey hair and wire-rim glasses. Ask us > which one's the mom. :-) I'll send this to Kristine in email, she'd get a kick out of meeting you. -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: "Olompali4" Subject: Rhino's Fillmore 3 disc set Date: 21 Sep 2005 16:57:50 -0700 In case ya' missed the 10 disc Ltd. Ed. This'll be retail compilation Fillmore 1969 disc1 Morning Dew Good Morning Little School Girl Doin' That Rag I'm A King Bee Cosmic Charlie Turn On Your Lovelight disc2 Dupree's Diamond Blues Mountains Of The Moon Dark Star St. Stephen Eleven, The Death Don't Have No Mercy disc3 That's It For The Other One Alligator Drums Jam Caution (Do Not Step On The Tracks) Feedback We Bid You Goodnight ------------------------------ From: "Criminal Fascist Monster" Subject: Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP Date: 21 Sep 2005 16:59:41 -0700 that lucky bastard got an extra 65 years wish we could say the same for 6 million others, RIP ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: ndc-Katrina, Rita, Bush, Rove..its all a conspiracy. Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:16:03 GMT Stephen St. wrote: > Hows this one for ya? > > Bush and Co. saw Katrina coming and said "lets not respond in a timely > manner", that will enrage everyone! ... Live bunnies are an *excellent* source of nutrition !! http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=19635 ------------------------------ From: "Deke_Rivers" Subject: Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page Date: 21 Sep 2005 17:03:07 -0700 >Cippolina was a fucking monster. NOBODY sounded like him So true! And nobody used that whammy bar as well as he did. He's way underrated. Pierre ------------------------------ From: "Criminal Fascist Monster" Subject: Re: issues (ndc) Date: 21 Sep 2005 17:07:10 -0700 not a single one of you dumb pinko bastards even mentioned : the evil f--k with the anthrax factory the evil one(s) has had four years to stuff envelopes full of anthrax to kill us ( or our children) all and all you give a damn about is throwing righteous crapola at corporate greed or the emerging power of china well, to hell with you all you idiots!! get real with what really matters no surprise it was a democratically sponsored q-nairre, you're all ridiculously warped and have no clue as to what we should be seeking to solve ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: issues (ndc) Date: 21 Sep 2005 17:15:01 -0700 Criminal Fascist Monster wrote: the evil > f--k > > the evil one(s) The Republican Party?? ;D ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: Rex Benefit: Roll Call Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:15:57 GMT "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message news:LrmYe.408$u44.183@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com... > WHOA !! My wife Kristine and her friend Mary Ann are gonna > be in Sec. 4, Row 6. * right ON!..sec 4 row 6....seat number? Thats OK. I'm gonna make a special effort to grind on EVERY female audience member in that section!....I'm gonna assume there's MORE than enough of Kristine ta freak on? I thought so. ------------------------------ From: "frndthdevl" Subject: Re: Rex Benefi: Roll Call Date: 21 Sep 2005 17:20:35 -0700 leftie wrote: > So, how many rmgd'ers will be at the Greek this Saturday besides me? yeah,but you will be back stage ; ) ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: Rex Benefit: Roll Call Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:28:41 GMT Dave Kelly wrote: > "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: >>WHOA !! My wife Kristine and her friend Mary Ann are gonna >>be in Sec. 4, Row 6. > > * right ON!..sec 4 row 6....seat number? > Thats OK. > I'm gonna make a special effort to grind on EVERY > female audience member in that section!....I'm gonna assume > there's MORE than enough of Kristine ta freak on? > I thought so. Kristine is half Swedish, half Irish, 49 years old and that blonde hair she had when I married her is turning *red* in her middle age. Freak on an Irish redhead at your peril, Sweetbac. You *have* been warned. -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: "Dave" Subject: Re: WinMX Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:42:00 +1200 "ck" wrote in message news:TNGdndL-0IgicqzeRVn-rA@adelphia.com... > > "Dave" wrote in message > news:dgsqs0$7pu$1@lust.ihug.co.nz... > > WinMX has been dead for about a day. www.winmx.com and www.frontcode.com > > are getting 404s. Can't raise alt.music.mp3.winmx. Anybody know what's > > going on? > > > > Dave > > > > > > RAIA. > > > Got this from another source. WinMX began its time as a simple OpenNap client in a time when Napster and Scour ruled the P2P scene. When Napster and Scour were banished from the Internet, WinMX's importance took on a new burden of importance. It reinvented itself from a mere OpenNap client to become one of the premier P2P networks of its day. During its height, WinMX, developed by FrontCode Technologies, eclipsed the Napster P2P network in not only resourcefulness, but also in population. During mid-2002, its population had reached over 1.5 million simultaneous users. With an active community, plenty of independent user forums and steady development it appeared there was nothing that could stop this network. Then something mysterious happened. From July 2003 to July 2004, there were no updates to WinMX - nothing to improve the network architecture, the dreaded queues or any other attributes. Then in July 2004 after nearly a year of frustration, FrontCode released addition betas which many perceived as a mere "filler" versions. Version 3.53 did little more than feature "a major upgrade of the chat component and other minor improvements." Another beta version (3.54) was subsequently released, which improved the media library. That would be the last anyone would hear from WinMX ever again. Slyck maintained communications with FrontCode president Kevin Hearn, who stated that work was still being continued on the mystical version 4.0. During the early part of the summer, Mr. Hearn told Slyck.com that something might be available towards the end of the 2005 summer. However, another plot twist appears to have mixed things up once again. On September 13, 2005, WinMX was the recipient of a letter (along with 6 other P2P firms) from the RIAA. The letter demanded the receiving developers they cease infringing operations immediately, and offered to "discuss pre-litigation resolution of these claims." Like Alberto Treves' decision to release the source of Ares Galaxy, or Sam Yagan's decision to join the DCIA, every move a P2P developer makes is immediately questioned to be in direct response to the RIAA's letter campaign. Such is the case for FrontCode Technologies. Or should we say WinMX Technology Associates? Currently, the WinMX.com homepage, the FrontCode.com homepage, the WinMX PNP Network and all of its host caches are down. It is impossible to connect to the network, and those remaining online will only stay online as long as their host supernodes do. But is this the end of WinMX? Perhaps not. Interestingly enough, if one conducts a DNS whois for "WinMX.com", the result directs owner ship to a "WinMX Technology Associates" - not FrontCode Technologies as it has in the past. Even more interesting is the geographical relocation from Toronto, Canada to Port Villa, Vanuatu. Many will remember that Sharman Networks pulled a similar stunt to avoid prosecution in the Netherlands and to capitalize on "tax efficiencies." FrontCode.com is still registered in Canada. Kevin Hearn, who is usually readily available for comment with Slyck.com, has not responded to inquiries for several weeks. Before anyone clamors the end of the WinMX PNP network, time needs to be given to allow for this development to unfold. Although it appears WinMX.com was reregistered prior to this event, its occurrence cannot be downplayed until this fluid situation is resolved.Dave ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:49:19 GMT "Deke_Rivers" wrote in message news:1127347387.813418.16260@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >Cippolina was a fucking monster. NOBODY sounded like him > > So true! And nobody used that whammy bar as well as he did. He's way > underrated. > Pierre Let's not go overboard. Cippolina was good but so are/were lots of other players. I liked the guitar playing of Barry Melton, who played with him in The Dinosaurs, more than I did Cippolina's when I saw The Dinosaurs live (probably close to ten times). I just didn't find him much more than a good bar band guitarist which there is no shortage of. Bill ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: issues (ndc) Date: 21 Sep 2005 17:51:13 -0700 Criminal Fascist Monster wrote: > not a single one of you dumb pinko bastards even mentioned : the evil > f--k with the anthrax factory > > the evil one(s) has had four years to stuff envelopes full of anthrax > to kill us ( or our children) Good point. It's been four years since the evil one(s) mailed anthrax to several media organizations and to two U.S. senators (Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy), killing 5 people and almost killing several others. (Is it a coincidence that no right-wing media outlets or politicians were targeted, and that the senators that were targeted were both Democrats, one being the most powerful, and the other one of the most liberal? Perhaps.) But the Bush Administration is no closer to finding those evil one(s) than it is to finding Bin Laden - hey at least they are consistent. Ray ------------------------------ From: Jazare@webtv.net (ba ba booie) Subject: Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:42:59 -0400 Simon Wiesenthal RIP sdegennaro1111@sbcglobal.net (Criminal=A0Fascist=A0Monster) wrote: wish we could say the same for 6 million others, RIP bbb wrote: That's a lot of people. I still don't understand how something like that could have happen in such a short time ago. Was the rest of the world not aware that this was going on? I never did see Schindlers list. You would figure someone (other countries) would have heard about something about the killings when more than 100,000 people being were being gassed. But 6 million? That is barbaric. That part of history "can never" happen again. But for it to happen in the first place is very disturbing. booie has a living aunt that is a Holocaust survivor. .. .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. 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