From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #355 Dead-Flames Digest #355, Volume #48 Wed, 21 Sep 05 10:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced (Joe) Re: Brave New World (band beyond description) Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) ("Greg Sasso") HERE is your REVIEW of From the Big Apple to the Big Easy at Radio City ("Bigmagnolia") Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP ("Carlisle") Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! ("Carlisle") Re: Brave New World (Sherry) Re: No Direction Home DVD (Joe) Re: No Direction Home DVD ("mjd") Re: No Direction Home DVD ("Dylanstubs") Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced (band beyond description) Re: No Direction Home DVD ("Roger") Re: HERE is your REVIEW of From the Big Apple to the Big Easy at Radio City ("dig under rocks") Re: Brave New World (JC Martin) Re: No Direction Home DVD (Joe) Re: Brave New World (JC Martin) Re: Brave New World (JC Martin) Re: Brave New World (Sherry) Re: Brave New World (Sherry) Re: Brave New World ("neurodancer") Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? ("pookietooth") Re: Laurie Anderson??? ("Pocky Way") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Subject: Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced Date: 21 Sep 2005 15:48:18 GMT Brad Greer wrote: > Jim Gordon (drummer for Derek and the Dominos and other bands) killed > his mother, claiming she was channeling evil spirits or something > similar. He's not in the Rock and Roll HOF, though. Yow. I didn't know that. So thanks, in a demented sort of way ;-) Joe ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:47:17 +0900 and of course I don't mean to disparage or minimize the impact of individual, specific cases, such as Sherry's experience; I'm just speaking to the wider U.S. phenomenon of debatable drugging/diagnosing of kids who may not need what is being pushed on them by "experts." -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "Greg Sasso" Subject: Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) Date: 21 Sep 2005 08:48:04 -0700 kpnnews@yahoo.com wrote: > Spider Dawg wrote: > > > > Thanks for all the info, these are exactly the types of tips I was > > hoping for that Orbitz won't tell me about. Another friend mentioned > > Subterranean Records in the Village. > > Allright folks let's start the recommendations: > > 1) Ollie's Noodle Shop - get some dumplings, some roast duck, and > a noodle soup with roast pork, mai fun, and wontons. > 2) d.b.a. is probably the best beer bar I have ever visited. They > have stuff from around the world that is brewed specifically > for this bar: http://www.drinkgoodstuff.com/ny/default.asp > 3) Museum of Modern Art: If you are into museums, and you want to > see a lot of the big paintings from Renoir, Van Gogh, etc, > you should check it out. A visit will take a while, but you > can limit it to the paintings. If you are into this type of > thing, MoMA is a must-visit. > 4) Katz's Deli (reference the "faking it" scene from When Harry > Met Sally - it was filmed here FWIW): Carnegie Deli is where > the tourists go, and it is good, but this place is more homey. > Frickin' Awesome, plus you can get the much discussed Cel-Ray. > http://www.katzdeli.com/ > Yes to 1, 2, and 4, but Blind Tiger Ale house on Hudson St is MUCH better than d.b.a. ------------------------------ From: "Bigmagnolia" Crossposted-To: rec.music.phish,rec.music.dylan Subject: HERE is your REVIEW of From the Big Apple to the Big Easy at Radio City Date: 21 Sep 2005 09:05:27 -0700 So I'm walking up 51st street about to enter Radio City and I see a guy who looks like Andy Hess (Black Crowes, Govt Mule) walking aroung looking like he's trying to find his way in. I says" Excuse me are you Andy Hess?" This rail thin man looks at me like he couldn't be bothered and says that he is. I ask if he is playing with anyone tonite and he says no. Yeah, it was a real pleasure to meet you too. So I enter, the lobby and stairwells are packed with a wide variety of middle-class white folks trying either to dress-up or dress-down, depending on whatever they think makes them look more "IT." Some stare at the $30 souveniers (hey all the proceeds went to Katrina victims so you cant complain this time, can ya?), others wait in an endless line for ReNew Orleans Style beverages. I take my seat in the back of the 1st Mezz and take it all in as Galactic and the Mardi Gras Indians strut their stuff and warm up the crowd. The orchestra section looks mighty sparse, maybe their all in line for the gumbo? Ray Lamontagne comes out and stands solo in a spotlight which blinds the crowd with the reflection off of his guitar. He looks eerily reminicent of Bob Dylan at Carnegie Hall circa 1963. He sounds soothing and troubled as he gives us "Shelter." I wish he could play forever but he walks off stage as if he couldn't even hear the rousing applause of fans and new converts. The curtain opens and The Meters are waiting for us, or was it we who have been waiting for them all these years? They bring us back to "where the madness started" by blasting us with Cissy Strut and Fire on the Bayou. I have heard people complain that Zigaboo overplays, but wow did he over play for us this evening, tearing it up, there were no complaints tonite. The real show stealer of the evening was the John Mayer Trio. There was NO Room for Squares this evening as Mayer is as hip as they come. Evoking the blues power of the Jimi Hendrix Experience along with the psychedlic lighting, this trio told New Orleans that they "Don't Need No Doctor" to keep hope rising and then they brought us back down with "Gravity." these guys were seriously amazing and if they play somewhere like Bonnaroo 06, watch for them to be the next big thing. The Trio also served as the back-up band for Joss Stone's one song performance. Stone has quite a voice but I think it was her tight-tight jeans and constant dry humping of John Mayer that made the audience take notice (and for a brief moment bringing back Mayer into the world of pop, although this time more soul-pop). The announcer made several mentions to George Dubya over the PA followed by collective jeers from the crowd. Then you would have thought that Jesus himself rolled back the stone, as Bill Clinton came onstage to a standing ovation and thunderous applause. The curtain is raised again to reveal a large stage set-up full of Neville Brothers. No for me this is where the evening starts to lose its steam. The Nevilles started out get funky but then got a little too soulful which seemed to slow the mood down a bit. Ivan Neville should been on stage the whole time to keep it funky. I walked out to get a water right before the Intermission and to my surprise and delight, the Preservation Hall Jazz Band had set up in the lobby of the 1st Mezzanine. Now this got the people to turn their heads away from concessions and hold it in a few more seconds before their much-needed trip to the little boys/girls room. Mardi Gras stlye Rockettes jumped about and shook their stuff, the crowd clapped and sang along. This was a site to behold as they turned every mutha out. Intermission ends and so did the feeling of exhiliration that fueled the first set. Tom Waits came on and it seemed like the crowd was on edge to see the man whose appearances are rare and much talked about. I myself had never seen him and was looking forward to what the fuss was about. The fuss turned into frustration as Wait's set was plagued by audio problems. First feedback then deafening bass. Waits started off with his tradenmark growl, almost a grizzly voice like Howling Holf but after a while the constant technicalities seemed annoying and his mood too somber, his set a lil too long. But he did end on an impressive "House Where Nobody Lives." The lights dimmed again, the crowded waited and Dave Matthews came out center stage into the same spotlight that Ray LaMontagne had filled so well, at an hour that seemd days ago at this point. Dave put the excitement and that 'live' feeling back into the night! The crowd was definetly there to see Dave and they hung on and sang along to his everyword. I have never been a huge follower of DMB but tonite his older songs like Crazy and Everyday along with his solo works Gravedigger and Some Devil really seemd to convey the message of the night there has been sorrow and now there is hope. And speaking of hope, everyone's hopes were confirmed when Trey Anastasio sat down on the stool next to Dave, flashback to Jon and Richie, they gave us a Bathtub Gin that had the place buzzing in spirit. The usher asked me who "that guy" was, after I told her, another usher explained to her that it was the same guy that led the conga line off the stage of Radio City onto 51st street a few years back, yeah I was there for that too. Dave and Trey walked off and we were left in the dark again, this time for a long while. The emcee killed time and I mean killed it as he just stood onsatge saying over and over that he hopes the red-light would come on so he could get off the satge. He also rpeatedly said that the next act was "The Jam Master," which just sounded so outta touch. Anyways, I digress and apparently so did the feeling of the show, for the people in my section anyways, Trey and his band came on and everyone rose to their feet to dance. After a few of his new songs and Night Speaks to A Woman it was apparent not everyone got up to dance, they got up to leave when he didn't play their favorite Phish song. While his new tunes have potential and he did jam hard as hell on them , it just didn't seem like the night for him to be "Trey the Artist," he could have given the people what they wanted (aka phish songs or at least a Beatles medley). ( That last statement was hypocritical and ironic, because Trey did give the people what they came for which was great music, but still you know what I mean). Then just when I thought about calling it a night too, Dave Matthews reemerged and along with Trey and the bassist came a beautiful arrangement of Bob Marley's Three Little Birds. Long after the band stopped playing the crowded sung in unison the true theme of the night "Don't Worry About A Thing, Every Little Thing's Gonna Be Alright!". The crowd sand and sang this as one voice while the stage crew came out and added Stanton Moore's drums and the Mardi Gras Indian, along with the Rebirth and Jazz Hall Bands, the Mardi Gras Rockettes filled the stage. Trey jammed, Dave danced and they all performed a never ending tribute to the people of New Orleans, the People who put the show together and the People who supported it, "THANK YOU FOR LETTIN ME BE MYSELF!" The show finally closed at ten after one in the A.M. but the music and the vibe did not end as the entire crowd filtered out of Radio City echoing "THANK YOU..." ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP Date: 21 Sep 2005 08:59:45 -0700 Infundibulum wrote: > RIP indeed. Justice, not vengeance, is the legacy. Well maybe in this case a little of both. Simon Wiesenthal kicked ass and took names!! He was/is a hero of the highest magnitude. Shalom! CC ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: 21 Sep 2005 08:53:47 -0700 wyeknot wrote: > Carlisle wrote: > > Cheer up, Palmer..you still got me. > > I will never say, "Off to Abu Gharaib with you!" > > or call you "Hateful Matt"..It's just not my style. Unless I get pushed > > into a corner and extremely pissed off, then all bets are off. Check > > Stand up and take notice, tell it like it is! > > Matt I'm still trying to figure out the $1000 question. If I were near you I wouldn't be far from you.. And I got this feeling you know what you did!! Maybe not. ;) peace, carrie ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Brave New World From: Sherry Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:11:05 GMT > individual, specific cases, such as Sherry's experience; I'm just > speaking to the wider U.S. phenomenon of debatable drugging/diagnosing > of kids who may not need what is being pushed on them by "experts." > -- But... you're not hearing what I am saying - what's REALLY happening vs. what the media slant of the day is. Ritilan, et al, DO NOT WORK on kids who haven't got ADD/ADHD!!!! *********Ritalin, dexedrine, etc are SPEED!********** If you give ritalin to a "regular" kid, who's just burning off excess energy like any kid will do, it doesn't even come close to calming them down - they start racing around 10x as much!!!! Why the hell would ANYONE want that? Especially if the reason they are at the doc's for the drugs is because the kid is off-the-wall hyper? I mean, it does NOT make sense. AT ALL! However, it's my personal belief that the poisons in the air/food/water in America contribute to ADHD in the US and UK. Interestingly enough, Joe, my Tristan was conceived in Monterey, CA (with a chance it was during a 3-day Hawaii trip), and born at Ft Ord military hospital, during my "most healthy" eating stage, ever Older and younger 2 were east coast births. What am I to make of that? ;P Put into an ridiculously simplified nutshell, ADHD is on the Autism scale - imagine a line with advanced autism being the extreme far end of it, and ADHD on the other extreme. It's very difficult to deal with. People who aren't living it 24/7 have NO IDEA what the reality is, and I don't feel they have a right to judge us parents. The old "until you walk a mile in my shoes..." Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: No Direction Home DVD Date: 21 Sep 2005 16:14:29 GMT mjd wrote: > Garth Hudson, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel, and Levon Helm. Oh? I guess Dylan re-arranged their faces and gave them all another name. Joe ------------------------------ From: "mjd" Subject: Re: No Direction Home DVD Date: 21 Sep 2005 09:02:55 -0700 Garth Hudson, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel, and Levon Helm. ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: No Direction Home DVD Date: 21 Sep 2005 09:15:30 -0700 > mjd wrote: > Garth Hudson, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel, and Levon Helm. Correct except that Mickey Jones played drums. Levon dropped out earlier in the year. Couldn't take the booing, I guess. ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:25:51 +0900 On 2005-09-21 23:36:56 +0900, "Rupert" said: > Keep in mind that Sabbath have been in the running for TEN years now, > their debut album having been released in 1970. If they ever get the > respect they deserve from the mainstream rock media, I'll shit twice > and die. You have to remember that the people voting for this are all > producers and such, folks like Quincy Jones. Nile Rodgers is a hell of a producer and musician; if the producer angle helps, he's in. -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "Roger" Subject: Re: No Direction Home DVD Date: 21 Sep 2005 09:25:41 -0700 Dylanstubs wrote: > > mjd wrote: > > Garth Hudson, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel, and Levon Helm. > > Correct except that Mickey Jones played drums. Levon dropped out > earlier in the year. Couldn't take the booing, I guess. Levon dropped out in November '65, and was replaced by Bobby Gregg for about a month. Then Sandy Konikoff took the drummer's seat for about three months, to be replaced by Mickey Jones for the '66 Australian/European tour. Roger ------------------------------ Reply-To: "dig under rocks" From: "dig under rocks" Crossposted-To: rec.music.phish,rec.music.dylan Subject: Re: HERE is your REVIEW of From the Big Apple to the Big Easy at Radio City Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:28:21 -0500 Awesome review! Thanks! ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:32:39 GMT Sherry wrote: >>individual, specific cases, such as Sherry's experience; I'm just >>speaking to the wider U.S. phenomenon of debatable drugging/diagnosing >>of kids who may not need what is being pushed on them by "experts." >>-- > > > But... you're not hearing what I am saying - what's REALLY happening vs. > what the media slant of the day is. Ritilan, et al, DO NOT WORK on kids who > haven't got ADD/ADHD!!!! > > *********Ritalin, dexedrine, etc are SPEED!********** > > If you give ritalin to a "regular" kid, who's just burning off excess energy > like any kid will do, it doesn't even come close to calming them down - they > start racing around 10x as much!!!! Why the hell would ANYONE want that? > Especially if the reason they are at the doc's for the drugs is because the > kid is off-the-wall hyper? I mean, it does NOT make sense. AT ALL! > > However, it's my personal belief that the poisons in the air/food/water in > America contribute to ADHD in the US and UK. > Interestingly enough, Joe, my Tristan was conceived in Monterey, CA (with a > chance it was during a 3-day Hawaii trip), and born at Ft Ord military > hospital, during my "most healthy" eating stage, ever produce and fish... yum> Older and younger 2 were east coast births. What am > I to make of that? ;P > > Put into an ridiculously simplified nutshell, ADHD is on the Autism scale - > imagine a line with advanced autism being the extreme far end of it, and > ADHD on the other extreme. It's very difficult to deal with. People who > aren't living it 24/7 have NO IDEA what the reality is, and I don't feel > they have a right to judge us parents. The old "until you walk a mile in my > shoes..." You discount the *fact* that treatment and diagnosis is still in the theoretical realm, especially when it comes to long-term usage of drugs like Ritalin. There's no consistent long-term data out there. I have two close friends who used Ritalin as children and through high school. Both were drug addicts as adults and one didn't graduate high school. I always encourage parents to seek alternative routes first...nutrition, exercise, therapy, proper parenting techniques (setting strict boundaries), etc. Your experience is only one experience and as it stands, you're just mimicking drug company propaganda. BTW, my mom refused to put me on Ritalin when I was a kid and I'm thankful for that despite my ADD issues that I still deal with as an adult. Peas, -JC ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: No Direction Home DVD Date: 21 Sep 2005 16:32:06 GMT Roger wrote: > Levon dropped out in November '65, and was replaced by Bobby Gregg for > about a month. Then Sandy Konikoff took the drummer's seat for about > three months, to be replaced by Mickey Jones for the '66 > Australian/European tour. I just looked at Levon Helm's "This Wheel's On Fire" and he confirms the above. But, the rest is the band known as The Band? I ask because they sure don't look anything like The Band. But, as 'they' say, looks are deceiving. In any case, everyone needs to see No Direction Home! Joe ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:35:44 GMT Sherry wrote: >>HRYK. >> >>What they now call "ADHD" used to be called >>"an adventurous spirit and a curious mind". > > > You've met my Tristan. Does he act like a drugged up zombie? Do you honestly > believe, having see how we live, that my kids have even been not able to run > around and play and climb trees and so on? One of their favorite things to > do is HIKE! Add in the years of soccer and hockey and cross country- and not > forget to mention, we mow 3 acres with gas push mowers, and the kids have > been helping do landscape and yard chores since they were big enough to > help. As teens, they grumble a lot about it, but do it because we do. > Believe me when I say it is NOT an environmental problem with my son, > because it is not and has not been. > > I'm right. I KNOW. I LIVE IT! Sad that you truly believe in only the pharmaceutical methods. There are other theories and solutions just as workable out there. -JC ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:37:36 GMT Sherry wrote: >>individual, specific cases, such as Sherry's experience; I'm just >>speaking to the wider U.S. phenomenon of debatable drugging/diagnosing >>of kids who may not need what is being pushed on them by "experts." >>-- > > > But... you're not hearing what I am saying - what's REALLY happening vs. > what the media slant of the day is. Ritilan, et al, DO NOT WORK on kids who > haven't got ADD/ADHD!!!! The media??? *LOL* You startin' to sound like a Republican. You think you know. But you really don't. Pacifying a kid with medication is no miracle. -JC ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Brave New World From: Sherry Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:44:50 GMT > Sad that you truly believe in only the pharmaceutical methods. There > are other theories and solutions just as workable out there. They did not work for my kid. Sorry you can't seem to understand there's not a one-size-fits-all approach. There are degrees off ADD and ADHD - obviously yours was/is not as advanced/serious as my son's. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Brave New World From: Sherry Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:46:42 GMT > The media??? *LOL* > > You startin' to sound like a Republican. You think you know. But you > really don't. Pacifying a kid with medication is no miracle. Okay. Upon reading my posts and yours, JC, me actually *knowing* the amount of research I've done and continue to do, I can come to only one conclusion: you're an asshole. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: "neurodancer" Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: 21 Sep 2005 09:44:15 -0700 Steve Terry wrote: > "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message: > > > Hey Steve, just Google > > "sensory integration" and you'll be amazed. But if I know the type of > > parent you are, you've already done so! > > I have? Oh yes, I will have, very soon, at least before she takes the > college entrance exams. That's when she'll need speed. ND ------------------------------ From: "pookietooth" Subject: Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? Date: 21 Sep 2005 09:53:14 -0700 Neil X. wrote: > I've never been there, but it was the closest place to New England > where Phil was playing a multi-night set over a weekend, so we ordered > tickets, and off we will go. Are we going to spend a fortune for > accomodations? I sort of imagine the place as being like Vegas with NJ > fith and no Wayne Newton. Is that at all accurate? Will we need our > shots before getting near the place? I hate fleas...... > > Peace, > Neil X. It's like Vegas except that it's dirty, has no natural beauty surrounding it, it smells, there's medical waste on the beaches, people will quicker stab you than say hi to you, it's a vortex of evil, and it's in Jersey. Other than that it's the same. ------------------------------ From: "Pocky Way" Subject: Re: Laurie Anderson??? Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:51:44 -0400 "seraphim" wrote... > she'e playing local should I go??? hmmmm.... I'd say yes. But then, as Jer might have said, she's kind of like licorice. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .