From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #353 Dead-Flames Digest #353, Volume #48 Wed, 21 Sep 05 08:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: heiney!!! (DB) Re: Brave New World ("Richard Morris") Re: issues (ndc) ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) ("Richard Morris") Re: Brave New World ("Stephen St.") Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: Rex Benefi: Roll Call (Commander Salamander) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page (JonP) Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page (JonP) Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? ("Infundibulum") Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced (flat9) Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced ("Rupert") Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP ("Infundibulum") Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP ("Rick Wolfish") Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced (JC Martin) Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced (JC Martin) Re: issues (ndc) ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DB Subject: Re: heiney!!! Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:31:54 -0400 TNKEV wrote: > http://www.cigarbid.com/auction/picpost/480888.jpg > > LOL! > > It's always about beer with you people! What happened to the good old days? db ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:52:01 -0700 "Sherry" wrote in message news:BF563C8A.54C52%sherry13@together.net... >> There are currently no medical tests for ADHD and children are >> diagnosed on the basis of their behaviour and questionnaires that ask >> if a child displays symptoms including restlessness, inattentiveness >> and fidgeting. > > This is not true. A brain scan will show ADHD. And the kids who have it, > are > not just displaying a few symptoms, but MANY, NON-STOP. "Normal" kids > given > ritalin will not "calm down" - it is a speed derivative. Kids with ADHD > calm > down with ritalin and other stimulants - it's called a paradoxal effect. > If > a kid becomes a "zombie" on the meds - DUH, it's too high a dose! Sherry, where are you getting the information about the brain scan as a diagnostic tool? From what I understand, ADD/ADHD is still more or less classified as a syndrome--researchers can't point to the exact cause but posit that there is some underlying neurological origin. It is diagnosed where I work via the Connor inventory, which asks a variety of people who interact with the student to evaluate his or her behavior, and developmental and school achievement information. The most definitive diagnostic tool is the administration of Ritalin. If it helps, one has ADD/ADHD. If not, not! R. > My son has ADHD and *believe* me, I know about it! However, ritalin did > not > work for him - after a couple of weeks, we changed drugs. Went off drugs. > Learned behavior theory (in MANY varied forms). Went on drugs. Changed > drugs. Finally a year ago the right drug combo that allows him to slow > down > enough to have a complete thought was arrived at. Do I *LIKE* that we had > to > play merry-go-round drugs with him? Definately not. Unfortunately, trial > and > error is what we have to go with. Do I wish he could be a person capable > of > living life on his own *without* the drugs? Of course! But we've been > there > and done that tooooo many times, and at 18, if he's living here with us, > he > WILL take the drugs that help him be a (mostly) reasonable, wonderful, > energetic to the **extreme*, loving son and big brother. He agrees, and > we've had many talks with him growing up - he's been part of his med plans > since we started them when he was almost 5... and injuring his little > brother every second we weren't watching him - and it wasn't malicious > (most > of the time). You literally could not take your eye off him for ONE > second. > Thankfully we all survived his childhood... but I still wonder about my > own > sanity! He's turned out to be an amazing guy. Smart, good-looking, full of > himself... basically your regular 18 yr old. He sees a pretty girl and > damn > near snaps his neck off, eats like a horse, and really likes computer rpgs > and reading sci-fan. Decided to drop out of the college class he's taking, > but I can live with that. After some motherly pissing and moaning about > lost > opportunity, of course. If/when he's ready, he'll go. Meantime, he can > work full-time now that he doesn't have school/homework. He loves that > idea! > > > Sherry in Vermont > ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: issues (ndc) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:00:32 -0700 "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message news:I73Ye.544$rx5.461@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net... > > "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" < wrote in message ... > > In no particular order........... > > Illegal immigration > ****************************************** > When will we open the border between Mexico, > like we do with Canada? Don't you mean when we will we close the border with Mexico like we did with the one with Canada? Millions illegally pour across the Mexican border every year. Both borders should be sealed as tight as a drum, and while arrangements should be made with both countries to ease the flow of goods and legal visitors or immigrants, not a single person should be allowed to simply waltz across without the authorities knowing who they are and approving their entry. This is a basic function of the federal government, yet they refuse to take responsibility for it. Cost can't be an issue, Bush blows hundreds of billions in Iraq every year. Border states are having serious financial difficulties doing the job of the feds here. Maybe if we used our military to do what it was set up to do (protect our borders) instead of invading and occupying other countries we could afford it. The only people with an unfettered right to be in any country are the citizens of that country. Everyone else who wants in for whatever reason should fill out applications, be scrutinized, and wait until given the ok. This is SO basic. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:57:00 -0700 "Dave Kelly" wrote in message news:Re4Ye.746$Ur.489@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > "ck" wrote in message > news:wLGdnUniRePeVK3eRVn-vw@adelphia.com... > >> i'll be there the last night too. sec 311. Dave, i'm still willing to >> toss your manzier onstage for ya.... hit me for the home addy. > > * Damn..I would love to see Cream. Ayup ... doubt them fellers from the right coast are fully prepared to appreciate them. Anyone here see them at Winterland way back when? Care to share a story about it? R. ------------------------------ From: "Stephen St." Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:58:03 GMT "Richard Morris" wrote in message news:MqmdnbaiRKQe-KzeRVn-gg@comcast.com... > > Sherry, where are you getting the information about the brain scan as a > diagnostic tool? > The most definitive diagnostic tool is the administration of Ritalin. > If it helps, one has ADD/ADHD. If not, not! I don't have kids, so excuse me for asking a goofy question..but... are you serious about how they diagnose the syndrome? Give the kid a few doses of ritalin and if they react a certain way, they have ADD? Wow, that seems a bit absurd to me. Im sure the pharma companies that make it love that idea, almost like a dealer giving out samples of smack-your bound to get a few people hooked. Sorry if I mis understood your post RM ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:05:37 -0700 "JC Martin" wrote in message news:_f3Ye.66$u8.1201@typhoon.sonic.net... > Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: >> Stooges: eh. Over rated, but have a shot. I vote No. > The Stooges wipe the floor with the poser Sex Pistols. Shit, the Stooges > were making punk long before these fools. The Ramones influenced the Sex > Pistols (through their own admission) and The Stooges influenced the > Ramones (through THEIR own admission. Let's get to the real shit before > we start looking at the trendy picks. Lets get to the stuff I like before we get to the stuff I think is "eh". The Stooges are real and early and all that, but I never particularly cared for them. I loved the Pistols. So there. >> Sir Douglas Quintet: too obscure, not really that good anyway, I vote >> No. > There would be no Elvis Costello with Doug Sahm. Yeah there would. EGBH ------------------------------ From: Commander Salamander Subject: Re: Rex Benefi: Roll Call Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:06:05 -0700 Reply-To: commander.salamander@gmail.com On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:46:49 -0700, Commander Salamander wrote: >On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:28:01 -0700, leftie wrote: > >>So, how many rmgd'ers will be at the Greek this Saturday besides me? > > >Me > >C.S. I'll be hangin' in the back... I'll be sportin' my airbrushed denim Garcia jacket...Tan New Jersey hat...Buzzed expression. Hope to see a few recognizables... C.S. ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:13:14 -0700 "volkfolk" wrote in message news:CsudnewjSsBcpqzeRVn-og@comcast.com... > I know that I am glad not to be running an HR dept or a college admissions > office. Our old HR department spent 90% of their time harassing male supervisors who dared to smile at attractive young women who didn't wear panties to work under their ultra tight minis. They had to interview the women, so the job wasn't all that bad........ EGBH ------------------------------ From: JonP Subject: Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:13:59 -0700 On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:43:32 -0400, "Bzl." wrote: >"The Yardbirds' live take on "Dazed and Confused" certainly outshines Led >Zeppelin's studio and live versions. Jim McCarty's drumming is much more >fluid than John Bonham's, propelling the song along at breakneck speed. >Further, Keith Relf's frantic harmonica playing on the tune is not >replicated by Robert Plant's absurd wailing. In the hands of the Yardbirds, >the song is a psychedelic masterpiece, not the metal monstrosity that Led >Zeppelin performed. " > >c'mon. That's ridiculous. "Dubious article" is more like it. Sounds like >the author has an axe to bow, er grind. > Im thinin brett meisner wrote the article.... JonP ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:17:19 -0700 "Neil X." wrote in message news:1127276244.757404.210510@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > I've never been there, but it was the closest place to New England > where Phil was playing a multi-night set over a weekend, so we ordered > tickets, and off we will go. Are we going to spend a fortune for > accomodations? I sort of imagine the place as being like Vegas with NJ > fith and no Wayne Newton. Is that at all accurate? Will we need our > shots before getting near the place? I hate fleas...... Its certainly nothing like Vegas. Casinos are the only common denominator and they have those everywhere. The hotels are mostly nice and clean and some verge on nice. The rest of the town is similar to the 9th ward of New Orleans, which you must be familiar with from TV of late. Go, you'll have tons of cheesy fun. EGBH ------------------------------ From: JonP Subject: Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:15:51 -0700 On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:46:34 -0400, "ck" wrote: >> Another ridiculous statement, even if it is complimentary of Page. I can >> think of at least one other "great" psychedelic guitar players. >> >> > > john cippolina??? lol......... > Warren Haynes!! JonP ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:04:24 -0400 John Hanson wrote: > > "The Lord of Eltingville" wrote in > message news:dgqm1k020hp@news3.newsguy.com... > > > As much as I love NMtB, the Pistols were a pre-fab product with clever > > marketing. For Brit punk, they'll always run a distant second to The > > Damned. > > Oh, the pain, the pain. Malcolm McClaren never anticipated what Rotten and > Matlock would turn the Pistols into. It's more like Steve and Paul never anticipated what McLaren would turn them into. They were gigging around town playing Roxy Music songs before hooking up w/Malcolm at his clothing store. Glen joined the band a while later, right around the time Malcolm was encouraging them to change their image and play music that combined The Ramones and The NY Dolls. The new image included clothing from his trendy store and hiring Johnny as the new singer (after an audition that consisted of him lip-syncing an Alice Cooper song). Malcolm marketed the band by hyping style over music. By limiting the band's performances to private parties and the occasional club show, he was able to start rumors about the band's behavior (which was made much easier once Glen was replaced by the muscially talentless and socially retarded Sid) for the press to pick up on. And by denying the press access to them, he guaranteed a huge buzz would be created. McLaren put together the perfect product for the time -- catchy music backed up with an image that would attract kids who were looking for something to piss off their parents and anyone else who might be an authority figure. > And I wonder if you knew that it was > Malcolm who put Dave Vanian and Rat Scabies together? Not exactly... McLaren managed a pre-Damned band that included Brian, Captain, Rat, and Chrissie Hynde (IIRC, there was a second singer, but I don't remember his name). Vanian was brought into the band after Rat heard him singing at a funeral and thought he'd be perfect for the band. Although they were initially overshadowed by the Pistols' success, they were talented musicians who've put out a bunch of excellent albums. Nearly thirty years later, there's no denying that the Pistols were a bigger cultural influence than The Damned...but they were never as much fun. > > And since they're now inducting punk bands into the HoF, it's about time > > The Dead Boys were at least nominated. Stiv took Iggy's torch and ran > > with it until he died. > > > Agreed - although I picked up the first Lords' album a couple of weeks ago > after not having heard it for years, it sounds very dated. Stiv's solo > stuff still sounds fresh. I came across my copy of The Lords' first album earlier this spring and agree that it does sound dated (tho it still sounds good with the volume up). My sister's always had a huge crush on Stiv, so I got her a copy of The Lords' DVD for her birthday this year. I haven't listend to 'Disconnected' in years, but The Dead Boys still get regular play in my Jeep... ------------------------------ From: "Infundibulum" Subject: Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:32:34 -0700 AC is no Vegas, that's for sure, but you should be able to find a reasonable rate at one of the Hotels. I would AVOID the local vicinity motels. Make sure you have a cheese steak at The White House. Even better than Geno's or Pat's or anything else in Philly for that matter. http://atlanticcity.citysearch.com/review/6848445 And if you're really bored you can go to .. http://www.lucytheelephant.org/indexhi.html ------------------------------ From: fmilews1@swarthmore.edu (flat9) Subject: Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:32:42 GMT On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:11:50 -0400, Brad Greer wrote: >On 21 Sep 2005 03:11:24 GMT, Joe wrote: > >>If the Sex Pistols get in, will Sid Vicious be the first murderer to make >>the R&R HOF? >> >>The only other murderer musician I know of is Rick Stevens, from Tower of >>Power. >> >Jim Gordon (drummer for Derek and the Dominos and other bands) killed >his mother, claiming she was channeling evil spirits or something >similar. He's not in the Rock and Roll HOF, though. Is Phil Specter in the HOF? ------------------------------ From: "Rupert" Subject: Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced Date: 21 Sep 2005 07:36:56 -0700 As far as murderers, Phil Spector is already in the Hall of Fame. The reason that some of these artists were put on the list (again) is that this year is the class of 1980. There was an article in the paper the other day stating that the HOF couldn't think of any artists from the class of 1980 worth nominating. Keep in mind that Sabbath have been in the running for TEN years now, their debut album having been released in 1970. If they ever get the respect they deserve from the mainstream rock media, I'll shit twice and die. You have to remember that the people voting for this are all producers and such, folks like Quincy Jones. The Pistols have been eligible for three or four years, Blondie for three, etc. ------------------------------ From: "Infundibulum" Subject: Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:37:53 -0700 RIP indeed. Justice, not vengeance, is the legacy. ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:10:51 -0400 mjd wrote: > > [...] Leave the fleaspray, take the cannoli... That sounds like a tagline for a Ron Jeremy movie. ------------------------------ From: "Rick Wolfish" Subject: Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP Date: 21 Sep 2005 07:39:55 -0700 ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:53:13 GMT Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > "JC Martin" wrote in message > news:_f3Ye.66$u8.1201@typhoon.sonic.net... > >>Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > > >>>Stooges: eh. Over rated, but have a shot. I vote No. > > >>The Stooges wipe the floor with the poser Sex Pistols. Shit, the Stooges >>were making punk long before these fools. The Ramones influenced the Sex >>Pistols (through their own admission) and The Stooges influenced the >>Ramones (through THEIR own admission. Let's get to the real shit before >>we start looking at the trendy picks. > > > Lets get to the stuff I like before we get to the stuff I think is "eh". > The Stooges are real and early and all that, but I never particularly cared > for them. I loved the Pistols. > > So there. > > >>>Sir Douglas Quintet: too obscure, not really that good anyway, I vote >>>No. > > >>There would be no Elvis Costello with Doug Sahm. > > > Yeah there would. Elvis copied Doug's vocal delivery. Check it out. -JC ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:50:57 GMT John Hanson wrote: > "JC Martin" wrote in message > news:_f3Ye.66$u8.1201@typhoon.sonic.net... > >>Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: >> >> >>>Stooges: eh. Over rated, but have a shot. I vote No. >> >> >>The Stooges wipe the floor with the poser Sex Pistols. Shit, the Stooges >>were making punk long before these fools. The Ramones influenced the Sex >>Pistols (through their own admission) and The Stooges influenced the >>Ramones (through THEIR own admission. Let's get to the real shit before >>we start looking at the trendy picks. >> >> > > And the Stooges were influenced by the MC5, through their own admission. > What's that got to do with anything? Steve Jones was one of the best > guitarists of the punk era, Rotten and Matlock wrote terrific songs and > Rotten was one of the greatest front men in history. Iggy and the Dolls and > the Velvets and even the Ramones all had a faint whiff of post-modern > self-consciousness about them; the Pistols were running on pure anger. > Calling the Pistols "posers" takes hipster backlash to absurd extremes. Oh well. They ain't no Stooges and they ain't no Ramones. I'll take both those bands over the Clash as well. Peas, JC ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: issues (ndc) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:03:53 -0700 "Sherry" wrote in message news:BF564031.54C58%sherry13@together.net... >> China: them owning our debt, building a huge military, making everything >> we >> buy, all while behaving in a manner far worse than Cuba, a country we >> don't >> even allow people to make phone calls to. > Your info is wrong, Toad. Not only do I know several people who call China > every single day, but I've done it myself! We can receive them from there, > too! I called Andre from China in October of 2000, several times. He > called > me back, several times. Reread hon. I was complaining that we let China (a brutal communist dictatorship that threatens our very existence with nuclear weapons) own our debt and sell us literally everything that we buy, but somehow we don't let people make phone calls to Cuba because Castro is such a villain. The double standard is epic. There has been some movement recently; a few relatives can go visit and maybe even make phone calls now. But compared to the kowtowing we do with China, well, the entire situation is absurd. 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