From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #349 Dead-Flames Digest #349, Volume #48 Tue, 20 Sep 05 21:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced ("Bzl.") Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced ("Bzl.") Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page ("Bzl.") Re: Neil Young Prarie Wind (Joe) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) (Sherry) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) (Sherry) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) (Sherry) Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page ("Dave Kelly") Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) (Tim Donohoe) Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced (Joe) Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced ("Dave Kelly") Re: Clinton interviews.. (Joe) Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) ("Dave Kelly") Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) ("ck") Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced ("John Hanson") Re: Laurie Anderson??? (n9ck@earthlink.net) Re: Clinton interviews.. ("ck") Re: Laurie Anderson??? (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP ("band beyond description") That Starship Galactic Reunion thing ("ck") Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page ("band beyond description") Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: I love a good Franklins ("band beyond description") Re: Laurie Anderson??? ("band beyond description") Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? ("Neil X.") Re: issues (ndc) ("band beyond description") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bzl." Subject: Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:53:43 -0400 "Dave Kelly" wrote in message news:AJ%Xe.684$Ur.319@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > "Stuknot" wrote in message > > * they only pick 5, no?...lets proceed > > > John Mellencamp.....Nope > > Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five.....Word. yeah > > Blondie......HELL no....debbie harry in 1978?....sure. > > Miles Davis.....in a perfect world > > Cat Stevens....not a chance....the Muslim thing put the kabosh on dat! > > Patti Smith....absolutely > > Sex Pistols....1st choice > > Stooges.....hmm....maybe since they have reformed. OK > > Lynyrd Skynyrd....they should have quit with the plane crash > > Black Sabbath.....yeah....can't overlook the influence. > > Dave Clark Five....no. Beatles Lite > > Chic.....the dark horse. > > J. Geils Band....hardly.....2nd rate bar band. no. > > Joe Tex.....goodness no!....bump THIS! > > Sir Douglas Quintet......who? > > * so lets see...Furious 5/Patti/Pistols/Sabbath/Stooges > > OK, if it's five they pick, then: Sabbath Skynyrd (their legacy could've/should've ended with the crash but they still get in, easily) Miles Sex Pistols Patti (in a squeaker over Stooges) ------------------------------ From: "Bzl." Subject: Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:55:38 -0400 "JC Martin" wrote in message news:_f3Ye.66$u8.1201@typhoon.sonic.net... > Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > > > Stooges: eh. Over rated, but have a shot. I vote No. > > > The Stooges wipe the floor with the poser Sex Pistols. Shit, the > Stooges were making punk long before these fools. The Ramones > influenced the Sex Pistols (through their own admission) and The Stooges > influenced the Ramones (through THEIR own admission. Let's get to the > real shit before we start looking at the trendy picks. > If this was the case, then the Motor City 5 would already be in. No Iggy. > > > > > Sir Douglas Quintet: too obscure, not really that good anyway, I vote No. > > > There would be no Elvis Costello with Doug Sahm. > > -JC > ------------------------------ From: "Bzl." Subject: Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:59:20 -0400 "ck" wrote in message news:_NOdnU2OOrAWVK3eRVn-rw@adelphia.com... > > "Bzl." wrote in message > news:3pbvoaF9muahU1@individual.net... > > > > "Dave Kelly" wrote in message > > news:Gy%Xe.683$Ur.351@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > > Really good article about the head led carpetbagger > > > > > > http://www.furious.com/perfect/jimmypage.html > > > > > It is up to you, gentle reader, to assess whether Jimmy Page and Led > > Zeppelin deserve the prestige they have been accorded. Now, this may > appear > > to be nothing but gratuitous Page-bashing. Far from it. To this day, Jimmy > > Page is unacknowledged as one of the two the greatest psychedelic guitar > > players ever. The other one is not Jimi Hendrix, but rather the > > aforementioned Syd Barrett. Page's criminally underrated work with the > > Yardbirds and on countless sessions (take note of his hypnotic work on > > Donovan's "Sunshine Superman") reveal him to have set the standard for > > lysergic discord par excellence. > > > > Another ridiculous statement, even if it is complimentary of Page. I can > > think of at least one other "great" psychedelic guitar players. > > > > > > john cippolina??? lol......... > > Actually, I was thinking of Warren Haynes ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Neil Young Prarie Wind Date: 21 Sep 2005 02:55:54 GMT band beyond description <123@456.com> wrote: > I'll thank you now, and raise you streaming video from the DVD of the > album (not sure if you can view it Joe, on dial-up, but there's a > low-resolution option). check it on the Amazon page: > http://tinyurl.com/akkkg I would, except for one thing. Since I don't have a TV, the thought of missing Dylan's No Direction Home was too much to bear. So, I bought the DVD today, and am getting ready to watch it. As Neil himself says in that NPR interview, Dylan is god and he's just a mere disciple. Joe ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) From: Sherry Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 02:58:50 GMT >> Sherry in Vermont > > Step 1: Get some black folks in Vermont! You're right. I'm no marketer, though. I do recommend it as a place to live to anyone, often, however. :) Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) From: Sherry Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 03:05:05 GMT > Martin Luther King was the driving force in bringing racism in America to > the forefrond of America's conciouiness in the early 1960's, with the > Freedom March, his speech at the Lincoln Memorial, his belief in non violent > civil disobedience and his "I have a dream speech" ALL of those things > empowered black Americans to change their situation. I agree. I also think media access in the majority of America (particularly tv) gave him ability to do that - damn near everyone saw or read his speeches. >> And that is my point, as well. Change happens one step at a time, one >> person >> at a time. > > I agree, and contrary to what seems to be the perception about my opinion, > that is EXACTLY my point. Well then. :) Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) From: Sherry Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 03:05:07 GMT > But it is changing. Look at the progress that has been made in the past 40 > years. There are blacks in positions of power in government, business, > entertainment and elsewhere in America. Certainly there is a long way to go, > but huge progress has been made. This is true, huge progress has been made. But it needs to keep on moving forward. In 1965, I'd have lost citizenship for marrying my husband. It's no longer the case... but what has been "granted" by the government can be taken away. Without notice. Precedents were set that were downright scary if you're on *that* side of the fence. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 03:05:52 GMT "Bzl." wrote in message news:3pbvffF9gdinU1@individual.net... > c'mon. That's ridiculous. "Dubious article" is more like it. Sounds > like > the author has an axe to bow, er grind. Whats poppin' Bizzle! anyways....I dig this article.....the whole Jeff Beck "Truth" discourse was RIGHT on the money....this....let me repeat..THIS!... is the 1st british heavy metal record....6 months before LZ1 dropped. The Bert Jansch & Willie Dixon thefts are RIGHT on the money. Sure, there are some minor flaws in the article...but there are some undisputed facts I'm just glad SOMEONE outted this fraud! ( Never was a huge Zep fan....I can appreciate the 1st album.... the "Houses of The Holy" from '73 I consider their lone classic.) Trampled under Sweetbac ------------------------------ From: Tim Donohoe Subject: Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 03:08:30 GMT Spider Dawg wrote: > On 2005-09-20, kpnnews@yahoo.com wrote: > >>Spider Dawg wrote: >> >>>Now I've got to figure out how to get there and where I'm gonna stay. >>>I've never been to "the" city and am not too crazy about the idea of >>>trying to drive there, or find my way around via public transportation, >>>so I'm thinking of taking Amtrak right to Penn Station. >> >>I did a quick search on kayak.com, and the rates aren't bad, but I >>can't >>say if they are decent. You can do your own search and see. The results >>are given in distance from Grand Central, but you can then sort on >>price. >> >>However, the main reason I responded was to say that the subway is >>your friend in NYC. Just pick up a subway map at one of the stations, >>and you are good to go. >> >>Also, go to Ollie's Noodle Shop for excellent Chinese roast meats >>and noodle soups and dumplings. >> >>Kurt >> >>PS - Once you get your hotel, I am sure that the folks here will give >>you good advice so your time in the city will be very well spent. > > > Thanks for all the info, these are exactly the types of tips I was > hoping for that Orbitz won't tell me about. Another friend mentioned > Subterranean Records in the Village. > > I'm going to the final show, but I plan to get there one day early to > check out the city. I don't mind riding around Manhatten (sic), on the > subways, I just don't want to try to get all the way from JFK airport to > MSG via public transportation. Hell, it looks like it's only about 2 > miles wide, I can walk just about anywhere (but wouldn't if there is a > train). I'll be in Manhattan for about 48 hours (minus however late the > train is, and they always are) so I should have time for a decent loop > around the lower part of the island. > > Thanks again to everyone who responded. I've been wanting to see NYC > almost as long as I've been wanting to see Eric, Jack and Bruce play > together! WhoooooPowerTrio'nHoooooo!!!!! > > Jim If you take busses you can see NYC while getting from place to place. They mostly go up and down or east and west, you can get off at every corner and catch another bus going in any one of 4 directions. When you get downtown (below delancey) the busses are a little trickier, but there are plenty of maps to help you get around. Double your alotted travel time if you plan to take the bus though. ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced Date: 21 Sep 2005 03:11:24 GMT If the Sex Pistols get in, will Sid Vicious be the first murderer to make the R&R HOF? The only other murderer musician I know of is Rick Stevens, from Tower of Power. Joe ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 03:13:02 GMT "Bzl." wrote in message news:3pc06dF8um1kU1@individual.net... >> The Stooges wipe the floor with the poser Sex Pistols. Shit, the >> Stooges were making punk long before these fools. The Ramones >> influenced the Sex Pistols (through their own admission) and The Stooges >> influenced the Ramones (through THEIR own admission. Let's get to the >> real shit before we start looking at the trendy picks. >> > > If this was the case, then the Motor City 5 would already be in. No Iggy. I can dig both perspectives..The Stooges definitely were one of the influences to the pistols....maybe the NY Dolls were even more....but the Sex Pistols were the face of punk rock....the Clash?.....nah.....I LOVE the clash.... but Johnny Rotten WAS/IS punk rock...Cant deny that. ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: 21 Sep 2005 03:14:09 GMT JC Martin wrote: > Wow, threats over the Internet and talking about meetings taking place > that no mature adult would engage in. So junior high my man. What > makes you think you're so tough anyway, boy? Isn't it obvious? He has God on his side. Joe ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 03:14:57 GMT "ck" wrote in message news:wLGdnUniRePeVK3eRVn-vw@adelphia.com... > i'll be there the last night too. sec 311. Dave, i'm still willing to > toss your manzier onstage for ya.... hit me for the home addy. * Damn..I would love to see Cream. ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:21:58 -0400 "Dave Kelly" wrote in message news:Re4Ye.746$Ur.489@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > "ck" wrote in message > news:wLGdnUniRePeVK3eRVn-vw@adelphia.com... > > > i'll be there the last night too. sec 311. Dave, i'm still willing to > > toss your manzier onstage for ya.... hit me for the home addy. > > * Damn..I would love to see Cream. > > i've got two for wedseday and two for tuesday.... here's where the final night seats are; http://members.roadfly.org/jehu/seats.BMP the tuesdays are near these . ------------------------------ From: "John Hanson" Subject: Re: Rock and Roll HOF Nominees Announced Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 03:40:19 GMT "JC Martin" wrote in message news:_f3Ye.66$u8.1201@typhoon.sonic.net... > Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > >> Stooges: eh. Over rated, but have a shot. I vote No. > > > The Stooges wipe the floor with the poser Sex Pistols. Shit, the Stooges > were making punk long before these fools. The Ramones influenced the Sex > Pistols (through their own admission) and The Stooges influenced the > Ramones (through THEIR own admission. Let's get to the real shit before > we start looking at the trendy picks. > > And the Stooges were influenced by the MC5, through their own admission. What's that got to do with anything? Steve Jones was one of the best guitarists of the punk era, Rotten and Matlock wrote terrific songs and Rotten was one of the greatest front men in history. Iggy and the Dolls and the Velvets and even the Ramones all had a faint whiff of post-modern self-consciousness about them; the Pistols were running on pure anger. Calling the Pistols "posers" takes hipster backlash to absurd extremes. John H. ------------------------------ From: n9ck@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Laurie Anderson??? Date: 20 Sep 2005 20:26:52 -0700 She is incredibly creative and talented; I'd go. My only frame of reference is her first album, Big Science. The other ones I never got into for some reason. ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:30:50 -0400 "Joe" wrote in message news:3pc1g1F9enigU3@individual.net... > JC Martin wrote: > > > Wow, threats over the Internet and talking about meetings taking place > > that no mature adult would engage in. So junior high my man. What > > makes you think you're so tough anyway, boy? > > Isn't it obvious? > > He has God on his side. > > Joe that too LOL!.. I can handle someone making a valid rebuttle of any point i make to be taken seriously like Clinton wasn't anyone worth adulating but i'm not inclined to tolerate this chumps attepts to invalidate my points by trying to characterize my ability to make a reasoned point as impaired due to a permanant state of mental devastaion after excessive abuse of pychedelics. Like anyone who went thru a thumbprint ordeal, I incorporated the experience and kept on truckin'. If he has something to countervale my points let him post them. If he wants to denegrate me personally, he can back that up with his body or STFU. As the Bible says; A false accusation is worse than death. ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Laurie Anderson??? Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:14:28 -0400 seraphim wrote: > > she'e playing local should I go??? hmmmm.... Yes. ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:27:16 +0900 wrote in message news:1127263541.712332.35540@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Hopefully he got the express > ticket through Saint Peter's queue. > > . > errm, with all due respect, I don't think as a Jewish guy he checks in with anybody whose name is prefaced by "Saint." NFA, at any rate... -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: That Starship Galactic Reunion thing Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:39:00 -0400 Anyone seen this configuration ? they're coming to town soon. Marty, Paul,David.... can they still bring it? ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:31:13 +0900 "Dave Kelly" wrote in message news:k64Ye.739$Ur.59@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > "Bzl." wrote in message > news:3pbvffF9gdinU1@individual.net... > > > c'mon. That's ridiculous. "Dubious article" is more like it. Sounds > > like > > the author has an axe to bow, er grind. > > Whats poppin' Bizzle! > anyways....I dig this article.....the whole Jeff Beck "Truth" discourse > was RIGHT on the money....this....let me repeat..THIS!... is the > 1st british heavy metal record....6 months before LZ1 dropped. > The Bert Jansch & Willie Dixon thefts are RIGHT on the money. > Sure, there are some minor flaws in the article...but there are some > undisputed facts > I'm just glad SOMEONE outted this fraud! > ( Never was a huge Zep fan....I can appreciate the 1st album.... > the "Houses of The Holy" from '73 I consider their lone classic.) > > Trampled under Sweetbac > > > > isn't/wasn't Will Shade in Flipper? or am i wrong? then he surely has an ax (a righteous one) to grind! oh, that's Will Shatter! never mind... -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:16:37 -0400 Tom Beck wrote: > > Bzl. wrote: > > "brew ziggins" wrote in message > > news:MPG.1d98a0f13aadb1309897d8@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu... > > > >>'Deadwood' lost to 'Lost' and Ian McShane didn't win the Best Actor > >>(Drama) Emmy. > >> > >>What a crock of shit, the cocksucking hoopleheads at the ATAS completely > >>missed the point of the whole fucking conversation. > > WWSD? (What would Swearingen do?) Ummm....swear? ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: I love a good Franklins Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:33:17 +0900 "band beyond description" <123@456.com> wrote in message news:3pbo6dF9nh1qU1@individual.net... > On 2005-09-19 23:59:09 +0900, DB said: > > > brew ziggins wrote: > >> Favorite In Person Franklins - 4/12/83 It was one of those moments > >> where everybody in the hall (Broome County Arena, Binghamton NY) was on > >> EXACTLY the same wavelength, and a very happy one it was. Preceded by a > >> very deep, incisive Slipknot! > >> > >> Favorite On Tape Franklins....uh...all of them? If I have to pick, I'll > >> go with 2/26/77. > >> > >> > >> > > > > Charlie Miller has just remastered the Binghamton show and it is a huge > > upgrade over the prior circulated SBD source. > > > > I'll never forget how hot it was inside the Broome that night. I was > > baking on the floor all night, and then when I went up the side of the > > arena to leave, it was at least 20 degrees hotter up there. I guess > > the Dead were just smoking that night and the ventilation system could > > not keep up. > > > > DB > > I just grabbed a "set 2 only" BT at bt.etree.org; was set 1 part of > this upgrade too? > -- > Peace, > Steve > in other words, is there also a "set 1 upgrade" happening? ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Laurie Anderson??? Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:33:53 +0900 "seraphim" wrote in message news:_C2Ye.7489$cg.475@news02.roc.ny... > she'e playing local should I go??? hmmmm.... > > yes. ------------------------------ From: "Neil X." Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: 20 Sep 2005 20:44:00 -0700 > Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > > Whenever there was a big computer geek or scientist convention in Vegas, the > local papers always ran stories about how they don't go to shows, tip > anyone, drink much, or chase hookers, and how their presence took up rooms > that could have been used by people looking to party and spend money. They > usually interviewed some call girl to back up their point. This is reminding me of the complaints I heard from bartenders in N'Awlins about the 50,000 Southern Baptists that held their convention in the Superdome every year. But see, that's really about how it goes. Molecular biologists go to the conventions pretty much to attend the seminars and learn about the latest technology. The idea of maybe missing the keynote address because you're having a menage a trois with your technician and a hooker, well, nope, that ain't in the protocol. Peace, Neil X. ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: issues (ndc) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:36:09 +0900 > Here's a quick list off the top of my head. Feel free to add your own. > 1. Corporate accountability > 2. Immigration yeah! gotta keep those Morton Grovians in check; keep 'em from running riot over in your neck of the woods! ;-) -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .