From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #347 Dead-Flames Digest #347, Volume #48 Tue, 20 Sep 05 19:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Clinton interviews.. (JC Martin) Re: Clinton interviews.. ("ck") Re: Brave New World ("Steve Terry") David Bowie"The Midnight Special" 1980 Floor Show DVD B&P ("seraphim") Re: Clinton interviews.. ("Stephen St.") Re: hyperbole contest ("Steve Terry") Laurie Anderson??? ("seraphim") SKB - Coach House ("Andrew Murawa") Re: Lizzy Grubman and Hulk... ("seraphim") Re: A Japanese sociological study for the benefit of Sweetbac (NDC) ("Steve Terry") Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! (Joe) Re: Rex Benefi: Roll Call ("Richard Morris") Re: TOO-folded (plus other goodies) vine ("Steve Terry") Re: Brave New World ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Rex Benefi: Roll Call ("Rupert") Re: issues (ndc) ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: A Brother to the North Wrote (Tom Beck) Re: Clinton interviews.. (wyeknot) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Roxanne McDaniel") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:19:31 GMT ck wrote: > "JC Martin" wrote in message > news:ojXXe.18$u8.140@typhoon.sonic.net... > >>ck wrote: >> >>>"The Iron Muffin" wrote in > > message > >>>news:BqqdnbugRJyfiK3eRVn-pA@comcast.com... >>> >>> >>>>Cal O'Chortus wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Chris Heresy wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Don Bean wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>Did anyone see Clinton interviewed today ?? The guy still has >>>>>>>the right answers. Its funny (and sad too) how stark a difference >>>>>>>it is between his years/ideas compared to what we have now... >>>>>>>Say what you want but Clinton represented this country well... >>>>>> >>>>>>sorry Don but you are nuts. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>And when a burnt out druggie whose entire view of the universe >>>>>has been fashioned out of the hellish depths of a bad acid trip >>>>>disagrees with you or calls you nuts, well, that's when you know >>>>>you're on the right track. >>>> >>>>Heh. >>>> >>>>-- >>>>The Iron Muffin >>>> >>>> DEAD FREAKS UNITE >>>> >>>>Who are you? Where are you? >>>> >>>> How are you? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> why don't we set a date for a meet and greet then this burnt out > > druggie > >>>can kick your lame ass to kingdom come ,you on?Hell, i'll take both you >>>punks at once. >> >> >> >>Wow, threats over the Internet and talking about meetings taking place >>that no mature adult would engage in. So junior high my man. What >>makes you think you're so tough anyway, boy? >> >>-JC > > > LOL.. ummm i'm 6' 260 , Wow. I'm 6'0, 225. I feel so small. >fear not death and am defending my name and > reputation before the world as it were.The jackass had nothing to add to > the discussion to which i brought supporting documentary evidence for my > assertions but could only try and denegrate me personally for questioning > the sanity of anyone who thinks Clinton was a good leader.He seems to like > twisting stories i relate to others here about long past experineces with > high doses of LSD and DMT and somehow thereby invalidate my points. I guess > owning a home outright, running a business succesfully in a highly > competative market dealing with large customers in a high pressure industry > for the last ten years is still possible for a 'burned out druggie'.He's > like the spy in school who'd eves- drop on your conversations with friends > then blab it out of context with his own perverse twists trying to > embarras you or something because he has made it his mission in life to trip > you up whenever he can. I'm off to have an American Flatbread Cheese and > Herb pizza and some Warre's 20 year aged Tawney Port on my big comfy couch > either watching a DVD from Netflix of J.S. Bach's Organ works or an old > Hitchcock flick.. Have a good night. Dude, that's soooooooooo 135lbs. Peas, JC ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:19:39 -0400 "The Iron Muffin" wrote in message news:VNOdnZO7MKpu963eRVn-tA@comcast.com... > Chris Pharissee wrote: > > The Iron Muffin wrote: > > > Cal O'Chortus wrote: > > > > Chris Heresy wrote: > > > > > > sorry Don but you are nuts. > > > > > > > > And when a burnt out druggie whose entire view of the universe > > > > has been fashioned out of the hellish depths of a bad acid trip > > > > disagrees with you or calls you nuts, well, that's when you know > > > > you're on the right track. > > > > > > Heh. > > > > why don't we set a date for a meet and greet then this burnt out > > druggie can kick your lame ass to kingdom come ,you on?Hell, i'll > > take both you punks at once. > > You really don't know Jesus at all, do you, Pharissee? > > Matthew 5:38 - 5:39 > Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, > and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist > not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, > turn to him the other also. > > Matthew 5:43 - 5:44 > Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy > neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love > your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them > that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, > and persecute you; > > Oh, wait. That's the part of the bible that you fundamentalist > psychopaths don't like...the stuff that Jesus taught. > That would mean something if it came from someone who belived it was the Word of God and not merely a convenient stone to throw at someone. ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:20:25 -0500 "Richard Morris" wrote in message news:nqOdndR4hdKCLq3eRVn-3Q@comcast.com... > > "Steve Terry" wrote in message > news:dgq731$29nt$1@news.iquest.net... >> >> "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message >> news:oz_Xe.474$i31.387@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com... >>> >>> wrote in message >>> "Having seen the effects of Ritalin on Sam, I would advise parents to >>> try any other avenue before resorting to drugs." >>> ************************************************ >>> In grad school, we discussed this issue ad-nausem! >>> >>> Some people thought that kids with ADD & ADHD were the spawn of the 70's >>> recreational drug users. Don't laugh... Lots of these people will be >>> in a >>> school near you!! Is it over prescribed? Or is it the demand? >>> Personally, >>> Ritalin would be my last resort. This time last year, my almost 5 year >>> old, >>> looked hyper. So I talked to a child-shrink. We looked at sensory >>> integration and found some deficits. The prescription? Occupational >>> therapy. Exercise routines that look similar to gymnastics. This year, >>> he >>> looks like a different kid, READY for school. The brain is a remarkable >>> organ! One example. It worked for us. Would that work for every kid? >>> Maybe, maybe not? But Ritilin can't be the ONLY answer. The important >>> thing is to get the hyper-ness under control so that the child can focus >>> on >>> learning. >> >> We have a two year old who, to our eyes, appears to be a candidate for >> Ritalin. I'm glad to hear that there are alternatives. Thanks Rox. > > Oh no, don't even give it a thought at that age. But do get her involved > with physical activity to help her fine and gross motor development ... > that will help her learning. You're spot on as always, Richard. Too soon to tell, yes. She has made great strides of late and we can't help but compare her to her older sister. Like apples and oranges, ya know. We will get by. ------------------------------ From: "seraphim" Subject: David Bowie"The Midnight Special" 1980 Floor Show DVD B&P Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:22:42 GMT well I ain't done a b-n-p fer a while who want some freaky bowie shizznit? send me an email and please make it a dvd of at least 4xspeed 16x prefered David Bowie 1980 Floor Show October 18 - 20, 1973 (recorded) November 16, 1973 (broadcast in the US on "The Midnight Special" program) Dick Cavett's Wide World of Entertainment November 2, 1974 (recorded) December 4, 1974 (broadcast) Title: "The Midnight Special / Dick Cavett" Label: 100% British Source: Pro Shot Format: NTSC Size: 4.07 GB The 1980 Floorshow Venue: The Marquee Club, 90 Wardour Street, Soho, London & television studios. Producer & director: Stan Harris Musicians: David Bowie, Mick Ronson, Trevor Bolder, Mike Garson (piano), Mark Carr Pritchard (guitar) & Aynsley Dunbar (drums) The Astronettes (Geoffrey MacCormack, Jason Guess & Ava Cherry): backing vocals Rocco Urbisci: Creative Consultant Jaques Andre: Associate Producer Matt Mattox: Choreography Freddi Burretti: Costumes Barbara Daley: Make-Up Natasha Korniloff: Amanda Lear's costume in "Sorrow" Billy The Kid: Hair George Underwood: Graphics Ken Scott & Sound Control: Sound Mix Dick Cavett's Wide World of Entertainment David Bowie: vocals Earl Slick: guitar Carlos Alomar: guitar Willie Weeks: bass Anthony Newark: drums Michael Kamen: electric piano Pablo Rosario: percussion David Sanborn: alto sax Richard Grando: baritone sax Mike Garson: piano Warren Peace, Ava Cherry, Anthony Hinton, Dianne Sumler and Luther Vandross: backing vocals Setlist: [1980 Floor Show] 1984 / Dodo Sorrow Everything's Alright Space Oddity 1984 (reprise) I Can't Explain Time The Jean Genie I've Got You Babe (with Marianne Faithfull) [Dick Cavett] Intro 1984 Young Americans Interview Footstompin' Notes: For more information on the 1980 Floor Show, and Ziggy Stardust in general, visit http://www.5years.com/. Artwork: High quality scan of the cover included. Credits: Originally uploaded on Savage Jaw (http://www.savagejaw.co.uk/) on December 24, 2004. ------------------------------ From: "Stephen St." Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:22:10 GMT "ck" wrote in message news:5cydnX94e_ylLq3eRVn-qA@adelphia.com... > > "JC Martin" wrote in message > news:ojXXe.18$u8.140@typhoon.sonic.net... >> ck wrote: >> > "The Iron Muffin" wrote in > message >> > news:BqqdnbugRJyfiK3eRVn-pA@comcast.com... >> > >> >>Cal O'Chortus wrote: >> >> >> >>>Chris Heresy wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>Don Bean wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>Did anyone see Clinton interviewed today ?? The guy still has >> >>>>>the right answers. Its funny (and sad too) how stark a difference >> >>>>>it is between his years/ideas compared to what we have now... >> >>>>>Say what you want but Clinton represented this country well... >> >>>> >> >>>>sorry Don but you are nuts. >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>And when a burnt out druggie whose entire view of the universe >> >>>has been fashioned out of the hellish depths of a bad acid trip >> >>>disagrees with you or calls you nuts, well, that's when you know >> >>>you're on the right track. >> >> >> >>Heh. >> >> >> >>-- >> >>The Iron Muffin >> >> >> >> DEAD FREAKS UNITE >> >> >> >>Who are you? Where are you? >> >> >> >> How are you? >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > why don't we set a date for a meet and greet then this burnt out > druggie >> > can kick your lame ass to kingdom come ,you on?Hell, i'll take both >> > you >> > punks at once. >> >> >> >> Wow, threats over the Internet and talking about meetings taking place >> that no mature adult would engage in. So junior high my man. What >> makes you think you're so tough anyway, boy? >> >> -JC > > LOL.. ummm i'm 6' 260 , fear not death and am defending my name and > reputation before the world as it were.The jackass had nothing to add to > the discussion to which i brought supporting documentary evidence for my > assertions but could only try and denegrate me personally for > questioning > the sanity of anyone who thinks Clinton was a good leader.He seems to like > twisting stories i relate to others here about long past experineces > with > high doses of LSD and DMT and somehow thereby invalidate my points. I > guess > owning a home outright, running a business succesfully in a highly > competative market dealing with large customers in a high pressure > industry > for the last ten years is still possible for a 'burned out druggie'.He's > like the spy in school who'd eves- drop on your conversations with friends > then blab it out of context with his own perverse twists trying to > embarras you or something because he has made it his mission in life to > trip > you up whenever he can. I'm off to have an American Flatbread Cheese and > Herb pizza and some Warre's 20 year aged Tawney Port on my big comfy > couch > either watching a DVD from Netflix of J.S. Bach's Organ works or an old > Hitchcock flick.. Have a good night. > Hmm...you post sounds like bragging...but I used to drop lots of acid, so Im kinda burnt out these days.... 20 year aged tawney whatever......we are not impressed. First and last time everyone here dosed? First Englishtown, 1977 Last Vegas 1991 ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: hyperbole contest Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:23:45 -0500 "Gary & Ellie" wrote in message news:naGdnSBUi5jm_a3eRVn-uA@giganews.com... > kpnnews@yahoo.com wrote: >> I'd like to think I have a quick mind, but I simply >> marvel at some of the over-the-top posts here. As >> much as you may not like him, Joe is a master at the >> 5 line whirlwind diatribe. I love it. So hear my plea >> for some soapbox ranting. I am ready. Let's here it. >> Tell me about GWB, Clinton, Phish, Kenny G, and how >> much they suck. Hell, tell me how lame this post is. >> >> Kurt >> > Hyperbole was better in the 70s. Joe was better in the 70's, I'm assuming. Actually, he's been on a roll ever since his new girlfriend came along, IMHO. Way to go Joe! ------------------------------ From: "seraphim" Subject: Laurie Anderson??? Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:24:10 GMT she'e playing local should I go??? hmmmm.... ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Murawa" Subject: SKB - Coach House Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:23:11 -0700 This coming Saturday the 24th... Who's going? ------------------------------ From: "seraphim" Subject: Re: Lizzy Grubman and Hulk... Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:25:32 GMT I hope she doesn't try to run over The Hulk with her SUV over that shot! "Steve Terry" wrote in message news:dgq3dg$28o6$1@news.iquest.net... > > "Dave Kelly" wrote in message > news:%N%Xe.686$Ur.645@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >> >> "DG" wrote in message >> news:eij0j15kas46rsie20j1dij4pjjbpprpff@4ax.com... >>> DG wrote: >>>> >>>>Best picture I've seen in a while... >>> >>> >>> This might help... >>> http://tinyurl.com/au4mk >> >> * MAN.....now THATS a butterface for REAL, Chip! > > Yer lookin' at her face? I'm still trying to determine if she's wearing a > diaphragm. > ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: A Japanese sociological study for the benefit of Sweetbac (NDC) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:27:58 -0500 "band beyond description" <123@456.com> wrote in message news:3p3t6mF8db7mU1@individual.net... > http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?fd20050918pb.htm > -- > Peace, > Steve Wow, in the good ol USA we don't have that problem, just lotsa rapes and murders. ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: 21 Sep 2005 01:29:09 GMT wyeknot wrote: > Joe wrote: > >>>Yeah. Let's send them to Abu Ghraib Online at alt.rwndhs.suck > > > So, what does "rwndhs" mean old dude? Yo, Hateful Matt. rwndh means the same thing it did last week, and last month, and last year. Now, it's off to Abu Ghraib USA for you. You can get your GED in between whippings. But, hey, you're no longer my Usenet Stalker, so STFU. Joe ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Rex Benefi: Roll Call Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:30:34 -0700 "leftie" wrote in message news:dgq5u2$1npu$1@agate.berkeley.edu... > So, how many rmgd'ers will be at the Greek this Saturday besides me? > Me!! R. ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: TOO-folded (plus other goodies) vine Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:31:07 -0500 "Andrew Murawa" wrote in message news:3pbpfoF9os1hU1@individual.net... > I've got a copy of this Other One mix (described in this thread a few > weeks back > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.gdead/browse_thread/thread/4c93d723660d7098/c9cf8c2746ee785e?lnk=st&q=other+one+mix&rnum=1&hl=en#c9cf8c2746ee785e), > plus some other goodies (including JGB 7/23/77, Garcia Kahn 11/26/84, JGAB > 10/28/87, GD 7/4/81 and GD 6/17/75) to offer up to the first person on the > group to email me off list with an address and a promise to pass this back > onto the group when you're done with it... Six discs in either FLAC or SHN > format in total... > > Thanks to rcb for doing the downloading and organization of this set of > discs... Yes, thanks rcb. It's all good. ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:31:46 GMT "Richard Morris" <> wrote in message "Steve Terry" > wrote in message "Roxanne McDaniel" > wrote in message >> wrote in message >> "Having seen the effects of Ritalin on Sam, I would advise parents to >> try any other avenue before resorting to drugs." >> ************************************************ >> In grad school, we discussed this issue ad-nausem! >> >> Some people thought that kids with ADD & ADHD were the spawn of the 70's >> recreational drug users. Don't laugh... Lots of these people will be in >> a >> school near you!! Is it over prescribed? Or is it the demand? >> Personally, >> Ritalin would be my last resort. This time last year, my almost 5 year >> old, >> looked hyper. So I talked to a child-shrink. We looked at sensory >> integration and found some deficits. The prescription? Occupational >> therapy. Exercise routines that look similar to gymnastics. This year, >> he >> looks like a different kid, READY for school. The brain is a remarkable >> organ! One example. It worked for us. Would that work for every kid? >> Maybe, maybe not? But Ritilin can't be the ONLY answer. The important >> thing is to get the hyper-ness under control so that the child can focus >> on >> learning. > > We have a two year old who, to our eyes, appears to be a candidate for > Ritalin. I'm glad to hear that there are alternatives. Thanks Rox. Oh no, don't even give it a thought at that age. But do get her involved with physical activity to help her fine and gross motor development ... that will help her learning. R. ****************************************** So true there Richie. The brain is still growing. Hey Steve, just Google "sensory integration" and you'll be amazed. But if I know the type of parent you are, you've already done so! ------------------------------ From: "Rupert" Subject: Re: Rex Benefi: Roll Call Date: 20 Sep 2005 18:32:39 -0700 Cherie, Owen and myself will be there. Probably on the lawn or the back of the bleachers. ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: issues (ndc) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:34:56 -0700 "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message news:F4_Xe.468$i31.224@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com... > This week, I got a Democratic questionnaire. > > These political surveys really are designed to get YOU to fall in line > behind "the team." It's such bullshit! "Rate from 1-10 which issues are > most important to you." Issues such as reproductive rights is on there. > But is it in my top 5? No, because I feel it's been decided, MOVE ON. > But > am I afraid that 20 years down the road, the religious right will take it > away, saying that a woman no longer has the right to decide what happens > in > her body? Yeah. I'd rather see America have a discussion on how to lower > the abortion rate, then who's right is it, when a woman needs an abortion. > And I could say the same about the other issues, the environment, social > security, education, etc. > > The whole survey got me thinking. What issues AM I concerned about, and > how > can we get the political agenda to change from the same ole? What do you > want to see the candidates focusing on in '08? > > Here's a quick list off the top of my head. Feel free to add your own. > 1. Corporate accountability > 2. Immigration > 3. protecting the environment and repairing the ozone > 4. poverty > 5. healthcare > 6. Homeland security In no particular order........... Illegal immigration Pay disparity: a CEO can lose his company $20 billion, take them into bankruptcy, and be rewarded with $50 million a year for life. What happened to merit? Ending our dependence on fossil fuels and Arab countries Outsourcing, foreign imports, service economy replacing information economy Drug laws--shouldn't have any Humongous federal budget deficits and national debt Starting wars with countries who didn't do anything to us first. Trying to force the world to become like us. A state of permanent partisnship, polarization. When examining candidates and issues, the discussion shouldn't be about right and left, but right and wrong China: them owning our debt, building a huge military, making everything we buy, all while behaving in a manner far worse than Cuba, a country we don't even allow people to make phone calls to. Entitlement mentality The end of healthcare as we know it within the next 10 years for a majority (!!!) of Americans No GD tour this summer EGBH ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: A Brother to the North Wrote Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:43:36 -0500 pv34pv3p wrote: >>I don't deal in damaged merchandise, and I don't buy broken records. > > > Ohhh I see...Strictly retail huh? > > BTW...What's a slightly bashed Iron Muffin go for these days? > > pv34pv3p(Yes I know the muffin man, the muffin man, the muffin man...) > Is he the same guy that works at Utility Muffin Research Kitchens? ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:51:24 -0400 Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > "wyeknot" wrote in message > > > ...did someone say DRUGS?!?! Yeah. Now don't take that single word for instance and expand it into a massive litany of assumptions about me and my beliefs, taking paragraphs to assemble, yet having not a shred of foundation. Mmmm'kay :-) Matt ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:38:37 GMT "Richard Morris" <> wrote in message "volkfolk" wrote in message .... snip > I agree, and contrary to what seems to be the perception about my opinion, > that is EXACTLY my point. For me, Scot, I have enjoyed the discussion with you and I do not think that your opinion is coming from evil intent at all, so to speak, or anything of that nature. I saw you asking, in good faith, a legitimate question/making an observation: blacks need to do more to help themselves, and I wonder why they don't? We *have* to be able to ask those kinds of questions of each other, and make good-faith observations in order to generate dialog and discussion about the problem. Because that is the only way it is going to get solved, I think, one discussion at a time. Because that is how understanding happens, and how feelings change. What I heard is that you talk to people, and that you listen. Without becoming defensive, and without falling into the "blacks can be prejudiced too" or "white guilt" bullshit. Thanks for doing that. This is a real, real passionate issue for me, because I work with kids and want the best for them, and because I have a niece who is black and I want the best for her. R. ****************************** Thanks for putting in terms I think we can all agree with. I'm with ya on the teachers side of it. Teachers are more of a change agent than they'll EVER know. And I too have a nephew who is black. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .