From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #341 Dead-Flames Digest #341, Volume #48 Tue, 20 Sep 05 11:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? (brew ziggins) Re: Neil Young Prarie Wind (band beyond description) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Carlisle") (NDC) Bush taps Townsend to lead Katrina inquiry ("tim_ratdog") Re: (NDC) Bush taps Townsend to lead Katrina inquiry (joker4153@comcast.net) Re: (NDC) Bush taps Townsend to lead Katrina inquiry (brew ziggins) Re: Oh, By the Way...... ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: Oh, By the Way...... (kpnnews@yahoo.com) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: (NDC) Bush taps Townsend to lead Katrina inquiry ("tim_ratdog") hyperbole contest (kpnnews@yahoo.com) Re: Oh, By the Way...... ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: Louisiana Officials Indicted Before Katrina Hit (DG) Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Owsley on Tapers Back Then ("ck") Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! (bigamps) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("volkfolk") Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! (Joe) Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! (Joe) Re: Global Warming!...President fails to act! ("Carlisle") Re: Clinton interviews.. (JC Martin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: 20 Sep 2005 08:32:47 -0700 Sherry wrote: > > The ONLY way that Blacks > > will ever diminish the effects of racism on their community is when they > > stop buying into the message that all white people are out to get them. > > And the only way that will happen is when white people stop insisting racism > is only black people's problem. It's not. We are all here together, and the > way to start to eliminate racism is to learn why and how it works - and who > benefits. > > > I understand, but I don't think all of the blame lies within the white > > community, I think that the current black leadership has done a huge > > diservice to their constituency by allowing them to be victims instead of > > empowering them as Martin Luther King did > > It's not "blame", it's REALITY - in this country, whites are the ones in > power. > > "Allow" them to be victims? How so? How did MLK empower blacks? > > Richard intelligently said: > > It is not about blame ... it is about awareness, bro. It is about not > > practicing denial that this stuff is still happening, and about > > understanding why black people feel the way they do. You didn't cause it, I > > didn't cause it ... yet it happens. The question is simply what to do about > > it, not to try to figure out who is at fault. > > And that is my point, as well. Change happens one step at a time, one person > at a time. > > Sherry in Vermont Step 1: Get some black folks in Vermont! Mark ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:35:07 -0400 Thus spake GregSasso@gmail.com... > I'm not a huge LOM fan either. > > Actually, I'm not a huge Jerry Band fan either. I'm with you, man. Never figured out precisely why, on paper, the JGB band sounds great. But after 15 minutes or so, I'm sound asleep. It may be one of those yin/yang sweet/sour things, where you needed the annoying Bobby songs (and fine Bobby rhythm playing) to make the Jerry songs seem so sweet. -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Neil Young Prarie Wind Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:38:23 +0900 On 2005-09-20 13:01:39 +0900, Joe said: > I just spent the last 2 hours, listening to a 45 minute RealAudio > interview from yesterday on NPR with Neil Young about Prairie Wind > (note: it came in perfect on dial-up, not a single glitch) and the > entire album at: > > > Thank me later. > > Joe I'll thank you now, and raise you streaming video from the DVD of the album (not sure if you can view it Joe, on dial-up, but there's a low-resolution option). check it on the Amazon page: http://tinyurl.com/akkkg -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: 20 Sep 2005 08:36:39 -0700 Rogues Island's finest wrote: > Sherry wrote: > > > The ONLY way that Blacks > > > will ever diminish the effects of racism on their community is when they > > > stop buying into the message that all white people are out to get them. > > > > And the only way that will happen is when white people stop insisting racism > > is only black people's problem. It's not. We are all here together, and the > > way to start to eliminate racism is to learn why and how it works - and who > > benefits. > > > > > I understand, but I don't think all of the blame lies within the white > > > community, I think that the current black leadership has done a huge > > > diservice to their constituency by allowing them to be victims instead of > > > empowering them as Martin Luther King did > > > > It's not "blame", it's REALITY - in this country, whites are the ones in > > power. > > > > "Allow" them to be victims? How so? How did MLK empower blacks? > > > > Richard intelligently said: > > > It is not about blame ... it is about awareness, bro. It is about not > > > practicing denial that this stuff is still happening, and about > > > understanding why black people feel the way they do. You didn't cause it, I > > > didn't cause it ... yet it happens. The question is simply what to do about > > > it, not to try to figure out who is at fault. > > > > And that is my point, as well. Change happens one step at a time, one person > > at a time. > > > > Sherry in Vermont > > Step 1: Get some black folks in Vermont! > > Mark Word. ------------------------------ From: "tim_ratdog" Subject: (NDC) Bush taps Townsend to lead Katrina inquiry Date: 20 Sep 2005 09:08:39 -0700 Just saw on yahoo news, "Bush taps Townsend to lead Katrina inquiry". What is with that? Will this administration never learn - put someone who is qualified in charge. For crying out loud the guy plays great guitar but that does *not* qualify him for this in the slightest! -tim ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: (NDC) Bush taps Townsend to lead Katrina inquiry Date: 20 Sep 2005 09:10:24 -0700 I really wanna know... Whooo fucked up?! Who who Who who ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: (NDC) Bush taps Townsend to lead Katrina inquiry Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:19:12 -0400 Thus spake joker4153@comcast.net... > I really wanna know... > Whooo fucked up?! > Who who > Who who Incompetence! Reign o'er me... -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: Oh, By the Way...... Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:27:13 -0700 "grtflmark" wrote in message news:1127166564.102123.133470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > >grtflmark wrote: > >>>the disaster struck. Glad that's settled. Guess Bush can >retract all >>>those apologies now and rehire Brownie. > > >>....have never implied, nor do I believe that such an action would be >>appropriate - but it SURE as hell would be appropriate to put a few >>heads from the State of Louisiana and City of New Orleans organizations >>and governments on spikes! > > > >>So the feds don't get the spikes? Why? > > ........ It's already happened: Brown - who is a "fed" as you call > them - has already HAD his head put on a spike ---- you're not really > paying attention, are you? Whose head goes on a spike for Bush's massive New Deal for the Gulf Coast, the one that makes FDR look like a scrooge? That program, the largest welfare and public works program in the history of the world, is about to get underway. Why isn't it being stopped? Why does Bush want to give all this federal money to all those corrupt and inept local officials? Isn't this the best opportunity Bush will ever have to demonstrate how private initiative and personal responsibility can work better than more massive government handouts that will perpetuate the entitlement mentality? Why is he letting it slip away, why is he now more of a liberal Democrat than Clinton ever was, why do the Republicans say nothing negative about this program? Why does Bush get a pass from all the right wing faux conservatives? Are they all posers and fakers who care more about "winning" and defeating Democrats than they do about seeing actual conservative principles put into action? Any Republican that supports this program or sits silently while it goes forward is a lying hypocrite. Business as usual. At least the country can now see plainly which major national party is currently the more fiscally responsible. Clinton balanced the budget, and I was very happy, not to mention very surprised, that he actually did what he said he was going to do. Government grew under Clinton, but nowhere near the pace its growing under Bush. The budget was shot before this latest New Deal welfare and public works program, now its been blown into outer space. I think it was last seen rocketing past Neptune. Too bad Bush wasn't strapped onto the rocket before launch. EGBH ------------------------------ From: kpnnews@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Oh, By the Way...... Date: 20 Sep 2005 09:34:39 -0700 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > "grtflmark" wrote in message > news:1127166564.102123.133470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > >grtflmark wrote: > > > >>>the disaster struck. Glad that's settled. Guess Bush can >retract all > >>>those apologies now and rehire Brownie. > > > > > >>....have never implied, nor do I believe that such an action would be > >>appropriate - but it SURE as hell would be appropriate to put a few > >>heads from the State of Louisiana and City of New Orleans organizations > >>and governments on spikes! > > > > > > > >>So the feds don't get the spikes? Why? > > > > ........ It's already happened: Brown - who is a "fed" as you call > > them - has already HAD his head put on a spike ---- you're not really > > paying attention, are you? > > Whose head goes on a spike for Bush's massive New Deal for the Gulf Coast, > the one that makes FDR look like a scrooge? > > That program, the largest welfare and public works program in the history of > the world, is about to get underway. Why isn't it being stopped? Why does > Bush want to give all this federal money to all those corrupt and inept > local officials? I admire how you have kept hammering this point. Throwing money at a problem simply does not fix it. Wasn't there corruption (lost mopney) with the 9/11 cleanup and the Big Dig in Boston? I think it will be very interesting to see what happens. One thing I would like to see (but probably won't) is for one Congressman to step forward and reject the pork dedicated to his district. If one does it, they all will. The catch is none have. Kurt ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:36:57 -0700 "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message news:hiBXe.594$uA6.221@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com... > > "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" <> wrote in message > At this point it shouldn't be that tough for the black community to > integrate themselves. > > The questions isn't does racism still exist: of course it does. The > question is how does the black community overcome it? > > I think a lot of the current racism is based on the current state of the > black community. It isn't fair, but that "new" racism will continue until > the black community makes more progress on their own. Family stability is > part of that neccesary progress. > > EGBH > *********************** > This is exactly what I mean when I say the dominant culture > has to change. You would THINK that so many years after > civil right, womens right, that we would feel integrated. Even > today, I can still see and feel the sexism, the bias and the > glass ceilings standing in my way. It's usually the minority > that understands the dominant culture more than they understand > themselves. This just isn't a black issue. > > And the picture everyone still has in their mind is that it's the lazy > black mama who is using all the welfare entitlements. That picture > just isn't true. It isn't just a black issue, but being as blacks are in the worst shape of all the minorities on just about every measure there is, its a bigger issue for them than it for other minorities. The picture of the black welfare mama is partly true. But the bigger problem IMO, is that almost half of black men don't work. A third are in jail, on parole, or on probation (mostly for drug crimes whites would never be jailed for), and many more are on their way. This idea that you can crank out babies from several different women and take responsibility for none of them is a huge problem for the black community. Almost everything stems from that lack of a father figure in the family. And there is the anti-succuss mentality of black teens that perpetuates the "I can't succeed because I'm black" mentality. The truth is that racism still has an impact (like with the drug crimes). The other truth is that groups can overcome it if they get their collective minds around succeeding. Many blacks have succeded, so it can be done. Other groups have moved way past blacks in terms of societal success. Vietnamese with 3 cents to their name when they arrived in this country are running successful fishing and shrimping fleets along the Gulf Coast despite the local virulent racists who have physically attacked them and burned their boats. It can be done. Its hard, it takes more effort, but it has to be done. Its not being done near as much as it should be in the black community. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "tim_ratdog" Subject: Re: (NDC) Bush taps Townsend to lead Katrina inquiry Date: 20 Sep 2005 09:37:56 -0700 joker4153@comcast.net wrote: > I really wanna know... > Whooo fucked up?! > Who who > Who who Oops, I forgot about that gig of his, I stand corrected. C'mon Pete let's get to the hard questions. -tim ------------------------------ From: kpnnews@yahoo.com Subject: hyperbole contest Date: 20 Sep 2005 09:40:28 -0700 I'd like to think I have a quick mind, but I simply marvel at some of the over-the-top posts here. As much as you may not like him, Joe is a master at the 5 line whirlwind diatribe. I love it. So hear my plea for some soapbox ranting. I am ready. Let's here it. Tell me about GWB, Clinton, Phish, Kenny G, and how much they suck. Hell, tell me how lame this post is. Kurt ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: Oh, By the Way...... Date: 20 Sep 2005 09:43:12 -0700 Well, the Rep from Montana wants to see if he can return his pork. The Alaskan rep is basically saying no fuckin' way and he gets a tremendous amount of pork for the two bridges. http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/20/chief-porker/#comments Theresa ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: Louisiana Officials Indicted Before Katrina Hit Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:44:14 -0700 pv34pv3p wrote: > >The real beauty in all this is the proven liar, and shameless skunk >Aaron Broussard who subjected America to quite possibly the worst >acting in history, on Russert a while back, is one of those originally >indicted... > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9368952 > >pv34pv3p(That boy's got some splainin' to do....) Now if we can just indict those at the federal level. ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:34:38 -0400 brew ziggins wrote: > > Thus spake bzlrbi@aol.com... > > > > "brew ziggins" wrote in message > > > > > > 'Deadwood' lost to 'Lost' and Ian McShane didn't win the Best Actor > > > (Drama) Emmy. > > > > > > What a crock of shit, the cocksucking hoopleheads at the ATAS completely > > > missed the point of the whole fucking conversation. > > > > > > > Spader rocks. > > He's ok, does solid, entertainig work in a silly show. But Al Swearengen > is the most multi-faceted and compelling TV character to come down the > thruway since Tony Soprano. He was also the only character on TV to regularly use the phrase "San Francisco cocksucker"... ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: Owsley on Tapers Back Then Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:53:32 -0400 "Olompali4" wrote in message news:1127223268.098892.141070@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > >From some cat named cream_puff_war in the archive reviews for 2/2/70 > > That should read 6/6/70 > wow so i likely have in reality maybe as little as a third of a GD collection as i think ..... well whoever spliced all these nonshow-shows did a great job.Of course when your manufcatureing crystal , keeping track of things can sometimes get out of hand... ------------------------------ From: bigamps Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:58:20 GMT wyeknot wrote: > Joe wrote: > >> Yeah. Let's send them to Abu Ghraib Online at alt.rwndhs.suck > > > What does "rwndhs" old dude? Posting stoned again probably. Like you? I don't think 'rwndhs' is a verb in the English language, but I may be wrong. ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:57:57 -0400 "Sherry" wrote in message news:BF55A2BD.54B29%sherry13@together.net... >> The ONLY way that Blacks >> will ever diminish the effects of racism on their community is when they >> stop buying into the message that all white people are out to get them. > > And the only way that will happen is when white people stop insisting > racism > is only black people's problem. It's not. We are all here together, and > the > way to start to eliminate racism is to learn why and how it works - and > who > benefits. I completely agree. I never said it wasn't. I treat all people with respect. Having said that all any of us can do is do "do unto others as we would have do unto us" I don't associate with people whose behavior is racist because it offends me. When I do encounter it I call people on it. I have seen hate crimes commited (it was a gay baxhing incident) and I called the police and I was willing to testify. But I still believe that many black leaders, especially Sharpton and Farrakan WANT black people to believe that all white people are against them, when that is clearly not the case. >> I understand, but I don't think all of the blame lies within the white >> community, I think that the current black leadership has done a huge >> diservice to their constituency by allowing them to be victims instead of >> empowering them as Martin Luther King did > > It's not "blame", it's REALITY - in this country, whites are the ones in > power. But it is changing. Look at the progress that has been made in the past 40 years. There are blacks in positions of power in government, business, entertainment and elsewhere in America. Certainly there is a long way to go, but huge progress has been made. > "Allow" them to be victims? How so? How did MLK empower blacks? Martin Luther King was the driving force in bringing racism in America to the forefrond of America's conciouiness in the early 1960's, with the Freedom March, his speech at the Lincoln Memorial, his belief in non violent civil disobedience and his "I have a dream speech" ALL of those things empowered black Americans to change their situation. > Richard intelligently said: >> It is not about blame ... it is about awareness, bro. It is about not >> practicing denial that this stuff is still happening, and about >> understanding why black people feel the way they do. You didn't cause >> it, I >> didn't cause it ... yet it happens. The question is simply what to do >> about >> it, not to try to figure out who is at fault. > > And that is my point, as well. Change happens one step at a time, one > person > at a time. I agree, and contrary to what seems to be the perception about my opinion, that is EXACTLY my point. Scot > Sherry in Vermont > ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: 20 Sep 2005 17:02:03 GMT wyeknot wrote: > Joe wrote: > > Yeah. Let's send them to Abu Ghraib Online at alt.rwndhs.suck > What does "rwndhs" old dude? Posting stoned again probably. Yo, moron. You're Carrie's troll, now. But, since she's a newbie to being stalked online, I'll help her out for now... Yo, Hateful Matt. Your question lacks a verb. And, you also lack an education, so let me explain...an s after a designation (rwndh = right wing nitwit dead head) means that it is plural. Had you not been following the orders of fools back in the 1st grade, you might have understood that. That said, I'll help Ms Carrie for one more week, and then I'm out of here. And, BTW, you're out of here too, Hateful Matt. It's off to Abu Ghraib-USA for you. Enjoy the genetically modified mad cow burgers, as you attempt to red and understand your urine soaked 1st grade English Primer. You're just an unevolved, amateur usenet stalker. You should leave the heavy lifting to your mentor, Hateful Mark. Joe ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: 20 Sep 2005 16:53:40 GMT Let the arrests begin! Throw all the republican criminals into prison! But, before we do, please note that the following AP article never actually states that an arrest was made. But, it was. The first of the White House thieves to get arrested happened yesterday. Oh, happy day! FBI: Former administration official obstructed lobbyist probe Budget aide allegedly hid ties to Abramoff WASHINGTON (AP) -- A former Bush administration official was charged with making false statements and obstructing a federal investigation into his dealings with lobbyist Jack Abramoff, court records and officials said. David Safavian was chief of staff of the General Services Administration, when he accompanied Abramoff on a golf trip to Scotland in 2002. He is accused of concealing from investigators that Abramoff was seeking to do business with the government at the time of the trip. FBI agent Jeffrey A. Reising said in the affidavit that a lobbyist -- identified elsewhere as Abramoff -- enlisted Safavian's help in trying to gain control of 40 acres of land at the Federal Research Center at White Oak in Silver Spring, Maryland, for a private high school that Abramoff helped establish. Safavian edited a letter the lobbyist was preparing to send to GSA, and arranged and attended a meeting involving a GSA official, the lobbyist's wife and others to discuss leasing the property, the affidavit said. Abramoff told his wife to use her maiden name at the meeting because Safavian sought to play down Abramoff's involvement, the affidavit said, citing an e-mail from Abramoff. Safavian was given clearance to go on the August 2002 golf trip after telling GSA's ethics officer that the lobbyist "has no business before GSA," the affidavit said. Nine people, including Rep. Bob Ney, an Ohio Republican, made the trip and played golf on the fabled Old Course at St. Andrews. Safavian paid $3,100 for the travel, "in the exercise of discretion," he said, as quoted in the affidavit. The total cost was more than $100,000, the affidavit said. Safavian moved to the Office of Management and Budget last year, becoming the administration's top procurement official. He resigned that post, effective Friday, OMB spokesman Alex Conant said. Safavian could not be reached. Safavian worked with Abramoff on the team at the Preston, Gates & Ellis law firm that was lobbying to keep the Northern Mariana Islands free from certain U.S. labor and immigration laws during the last half of the 1990s. Abramoff is not named in the affidavit, but two government officials confirmed he is the person referred to in the affidavit as Lobbyist A. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still under way. Safavian was asked in February for information about the golf trip by the Senate Indian Affairs Committee. Both the Senate panel and a federal grand jury are investigating deals in which Abramoff and an associate received at least $66 million from six Indian tribes to lobby for their casinos and other interests. The tribes question whether the charges were excessive. Congressional Democrats have raised questions about Abramoff's ties to House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas. The House Ethics Committee has been asked to look into allegations that Abramoff or his clients paid some of DeLay's overseas travel expenses. DeLay has denied knowing that the expenses were paid by the lobbyist. Separately, Abramoff has pleaded not guilty to a federal fraud and conspiracy indictment stemming from his role in the 2000 purchase of a fleet of gambling boats in Florida. Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: Global Warming!...President fails to act! Date: 20 Sep 2005 10:04:33 -0700 Why are only republicans/dissenters trolls?? Well, I take that back...Brett Meisner is apolitical. ;> I enjoy a healthy debate. Thanks RMGD. Word. Mz.carrie ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:05:24 GMT ck wrote: > "The Iron Muffin" wrote in message > news:BqqdnbugRJyfiK3eRVn-pA@comcast.com... > >>Cal O'Chortus wrote: >> >>>Chris Heresy wrote: >>> >>>>Don Bean wrote: >> >>>>>Did anyone see Clinton interviewed today ?? The guy still has >>>>>the right answers. Its funny (and sad too) how stark a difference >>>>>it is between his years/ideas compared to what we have now... >>>>>Say what you want but Clinton represented this country well... >>>> >>>>sorry Don but you are nuts. >>>> >>> >>>And when a burnt out druggie whose entire view of the universe >>>has been fashioned out of the hellish depths of a bad acid trip >>>disagrees with you or calls you nuts, well, that's when you know >>>you're on the right track. >> >>Heh. >> >>-- >>The Iron Muffin >> >> DEAD FREAKS UNITE >> >>Who are you? Where are you? >> >> How are you? >> >> > > > why don't we set a date for a meet and greet then this burnt out druggie > can kick your lame ass to kingdom come ,you on?Hell, i'll take both you > punks at once. Wow, threats over the Internet and talking about meetings taking place that no mature adult would engage in. So junior high my man. What makes you think you're so tough anyway, boy? -JC ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .