From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #340 Dead-Flames Digest #340, Volume #48 Tue, 20 Sep 05 09:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: thank me later (wyeknot) Re: Global Warming!...President fails to act! ("Ray") Re: thank me later (Joe) Re: Neil Young Prarie Wind (JonP) Re: Just when you thought it couldn't get wierder.... (band beyond description) Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) ("Bzl.") Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) (brew ziggins) Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? ("Greg Sasso") Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) ("pookietooth") Re: Clinton interviews.. ("The Iron Muffin") Re: Global Warming!...President fails to act! ("pv34pv3p") Re: thank me later (bigamps) Re: 10 years ago today (DB) Re: Global Warming!...President fails to act! (JC Martin) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) (Sherry) Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! (band beyond description) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? (brew ziggins) Re: Neil Young Prarie Wind (band beyond description) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Carlisle") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wyeknot Subject: Re: thank me later Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:36:49 -0400 Carlisle wrote: > wyeknot wrote: >>Joe wrote: >> >>>In your hatred, you mistook me for Chris Heresy, a guy who does indeed >>>type to himself. >> >>It's OK dummy Joe, I forgive ya. Feeble and old is something you can't >>help at this point. > > According to Joe, you are supposed to be paying me attention. Yeah I > know, I'm not spicy and interesting like Joe. But it's all you got now, > dude. I paid $10.00 . . . ;} Joe's been following me around the newsgroup for well over a year now. It's like I stepped in another dog's shit and Joe just can't get enough of sniffing at my shoes, the sick bastard :-) But I'm betting you're spicy and interesting. Matt ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Global Warming!...President fails to act! Date: 20 Sep 2005 07:44:00 -0700 pv34pv3p wrote: > Ray wrote: > >* Do you acknowledge that the Bush Adminstration's response during the > >first several days of the Katrina disaster was inexcusably poor? > > What part of: > >Poor??? How 'bout less than ideal...'Bout as far as I'm gonna go being > >there was NO FUCKING RESPONSE from the local potato heads other than > >sittin' round shittin' their pants and pointing fingers... > Did you not understand? What you don't seem to understand -- or choose to ingore for extremely partisan political reasons (myopia and/or the 'need' to diseminate misleading propagada) -- is that the failings of the local govt - and there were many - have *no bearing* on the failings of the federal govt. It's not a game or a scorecard, PV, where the piss-poor feds' response gets radically upgraded to "less than ideal" because of anything that the local govt did or didn't do. What part of that do you not understand? You, like so many other Bush apologists, just choose to play the blame game by trying to focus all of the attention on the non-federal authorities while downplaying well past the point of ridiculousness the piss-poor and inexcusable federal response. Also, here's part of what you ran away from from the last round: ___________________________________ > Poor??? How 'bout less than ideal...' No, and not just poor - *inexcusably* poor. For example, that the superdome was filled with tens of thousands of people who needed proctection and evacuation was all over the news, and yet the head of FEMA -- a part of the organization of the Bush Administration federal organization that declared itself to be the PRIMARY lead in large-scale disasters such as this one -- wasn't even aware of this fact, let alone addressing it. In my book that is inexcusably poor performance - if it's not in yours, then I'm damn glad that you (hopefully) aren't a FEMA manager. ___________________________________ What part of THAT did you not understand? > >(Sorry troll boy - anything less than a "yes" to this question from > >someone like you who has repeatedly lambasted local and state > >authorities while leaving the feds of the hook will still leave you as > >a troll boy, and/or continue to demonstrate that you are such a > >partisan ideologue that your brain is warped beyond any reasonable > >understanding of reality.) > > Damn Ray...Now your the final arbitor of who's what, and why??? Some things are obvious to anyone with reasonably objective and honest understanding of reality. Examples include the fact that the earth revolves around the sun; another is the theory of evolution. And the fact that ALL levels of govt failed in the Katrina response - not just the locals and the state, as your ridiculously partisan rhetoric would lead one to believe - is also one of those things. But hey, keep running away from that fact - it only continues to demonstrate what an extreme and ridiculous partisan you are. You also ignored these questions (#gee, I wonder why...#) - care to answer them yet, or are you going to continue running away from them? * And since you brought up federal intervention re- controlling heat wave fatalities, do you agree that the Bush Adminstration shouldn't have rolled back the Clinton Administration standards re- air conditioning units? * Why did you write "Don't start with that global warming shit again either..."? Don't you think that the global warming is a relevent topic when discussing the hazards of heat waves? I look forward to a direct and honest response from you to each of these questions. No worries though - I'm not holding my breath. Ray ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: thank me later Date: 20 Sep 2005 14:52:58 GMT Carlisle wrote: > Hey Matt- > According to Joe, you are supposed to be paying me attention. Yeah I > know, I'm not spicy and interesting like Joe. But it's all you got now, > dude. I paid $10.00 . . . ;} > peazzz, > carrie You go, girl! You wanted a stalker; you got him. But, I have to warn you...Hateful Matt is only an amateur usenet stalker. He's neither good at what he does, nor is he funny. As Neil Young sings in "From 60 to Zero," he takes his orders from fools. Joe ------------------------------ From: JonP Subject: Re: Neil Young Prarie Wind Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:54:11 -0700 On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:39:13 -0700, DG wrote: >Joe wrote: >> >>I just spent the last 2 hours, listening to a 45 minute RealAudio >>interview from yesterday on NPR with Neil Young about Prairie Wind (note: >>it came in perfect on dial-up, not a single glitch) and the entire album >>at: >> >> >> >>Thank me later. Ive been istening to the new album for a few days now, its very nice.Another companion to Harvest and Harvest Moon. JonP ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Just when you thought it couldn't get wierder.... Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:54:36 +0900 On 2005-09-20 09:54:57 +0900, "The Iron Muffin" said: > pv34pv3p wrote: > >> I've only hung around for a week or 2, but hafta admit, ya'll are >> wearin' me down...and even I'm beginning to see the "bigger" >> picture....;~) > > So wiffleball is back on, then? heh. -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "Bzl." Subject: Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:55:49 -0400 "brew ziggins" wrote in message news:MPG.1d98a0f13aadb1309897d8@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu... > > 'Deadwood' lost to 'Lost' and Ian McShane didn't win the Best Actor > (Drama) Emmy. > > What a crock of shit, the cocksucking hoopleheads at the ATAS completely > missed the point of the whole fucking conversation. > > -- > bruce higgins ithaca ny > most of the day, we were at the machinery Spader rocks. ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:09:43 -0400 Thus spake bzlrbi@aol.com... > > "brew ziggins" wrote in message > > > > 'Deadwood' lost to 'Lost' and Ian McShane didn't win the Best Actor > > (Drama) Emmy. > > > > What a crock of shit, the cocksucking hoopleheads at the ATAS completely > > missed the point of the whole fucking conversation. > > > > Spader rocks. He's ok, does solid, entertainig work in a silly show. But Al Swearengen is the most multi-faceted and compelling TV character to come down the thruway since Tony Soprano. -- bruce higgins ithaca ny The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more fucking punishment in store. Stand it like a man. And give some back. ------------------------------ From: "Greg Sasso" Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: 20 Sep 2005 08:07:18 -0700 I'm not a huge LOM fan either. Actually, I'm not a huge Jerry Band fan either. ------------------------------ From: "pookietooth" Subject: Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) Date: 20 Sep 2005 08:14:00 -0700 Spider Dawg wrote: >... > I've never been to "the" city and am not too crazy about the idea of > trying to drive there, or find my way around via public transportation, > so I'm thinking of taking Amtrak right to Penn Station. Definitely stay away from driving. I agree with the others here, subway all the way. Gets you anywhere you need to go. ------------------------------ Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:02:35 -0400 Cal O'Chortus wrote: > Chris Heresy wrote: > > Don Bean wrote: > > > Did anyone see Clinton interviewed today ?? The guy still has > > > the right answers. Its funny (and sad too) how stark a difference > > > it is between his years/ideas compared to what we have now... > > > Say what you want but Clinton represented this country well... > > > > sorry Don but you are nuts. > > > > And when a burnt out druggie whose entire view of the universe > has been fashioned out of the hellish depths of a bad acid trip > disagrees with you or calls you nuts, well, that's when you know > you're on the right track. Heh. -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: Global Warming!...President fails to act! Date: 20 Sep 2005 08:14:32 -0700 Scene 4 ================================================================================ Ray the black knight... ================================================================================ [King Arthur music] [music stops] BLACK KNIGHT: Aaaagh! [King Arthur music] [music stops] BLACK KNIGHT: Aaagh! GREEN KNIGHT: Ooh! [King Arthur music] [music stops] [stab] BLACK KNIGHT: Aagh! GREEN KNIGHT: Oh! [King Arthur music] Ooh! Uuh. [music stops] BLACK KNIGHT: Aaaagh! [clang] BLACK KNIGHT and GREEN KNIGHT: Agh!, oh!, etc. GREEN KNIGHT: Aaaaaah! Aaaaaaaaah! [woosh] [BLACK KNIGHT kills GREEN KNIGHT] [thud] [scrape] BLACK KNIGHT: Umm! [clop clop clop] ARTHUR: You fight with the strength of many men, Sir Knight. [pause] I am Arthur, King of the Britons. [pause] I seek the finest and the bravest knights in the land to join me in my court at Camelot. [pause] You have proved yourself worthy. Will you join me? [pause] You make me sad. So be it. Come, Patsy. BLACK KNIGHT: None shall pass. ARTHUR: What? BLACK KNIGHT: None shall pass. ARTHUR: I have no quarrel with you, good Sir Knight, but I must cross this bridge. BLACK KNIGHT: Then you shall die. ARTHUR: I command you, as King of the Britons, to stand aside! BLACK KNIGHT: I move for no man. ARTHUR: So be it! ARTHUR and BLACK KNIGHT: Aaah!, hiyaah!, etc. [ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's left arm off] ARTHUR: Now stand aside, worthy adversary. BLACK KNIGHT: 'Tis but a scratch. ARTHUR: A scratch? Your arm's off! BLACK KNIGHT: No, it isn't. ARTHUR: Well, what's that, then? BLACK KNIGHT: I've had worse. ARTHUR: You liar! BLACK KNIGHT: Come on, you pansy! [clang] Huyah! [clang] Hiyaah! [clang] Aaaaaaaah! [ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right arm off] ARTHUR: Victory is mine! [kneeling] We thank Thee Lord, that in Thy mer-- BLACK KNIGHT: Hah! [kick] Come on, then. ARTHUR: What? BLACK KNIGHT: Have at you! [kick] ARTHUR: Eh. You are indeed brave, Sir Knight, but the fight is mine. BLACK KNIGHT: Oh, had enough, eh? ARTHUR: Look, you stupid bastard. You've got no arms left. BLACK KNIGHT: Yes, I have. ARTHUR: Look! BLACK KNIGHT: Just a flesh wound. [kick] ARTHUR: Look, stop that. BLACK KNIGHT: Chicken! [kick] Chickennn! ARTHUR: Look, I'll have your leg. [kick] Right! [whop] [ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right leg off] BLACK KNIGHT: Right. I'll do you for that! ARTHUR: You'll what? BLACK KNIGHT: Come here! ARTHUR: What are you going to do, bleed on me? BLACK KNIGHT: I'm invincible! ARTHUR: You're a looney. BLACK KNIGHT: The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you! Come on, then. [whop] [ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's last leg off] BLACK KNIGHT: Oh? All right, we'll call it a draw. ARTHUR: Come, Patsy. BLACK KNIGHT: Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off ------------------------------ From: bigamps Subject: Re: thank me later Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:19:04 GMT Joe wrote: > Carlisle wrote: > > >>Hey Matt- >>According to Joe, you are supposed to be paying me attention. Yeah I >>know, I'm not spicy and interesting like Joe. But it's all you got now, >>dude. I paid $10.00 . . . ;} >>peazzz, >>carrie > > > You go, girl! > > You wanted a stalker; you got him. But, I have to warn you...Hateful Matt > is only an amateur usenet stalker. He's neither good at what he does, nor > is he funny. AND... you're probably the first female of legal consenting age to give him more than a 'get lost' in a looooong while, so be careful. ------------------------------ From: DB Subject: Re: 10 years ago today Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:20:54 -0400 Rupert wrote: > Speaking of...the other day we went past the apartment building where > Winterland used to stand, and the restaurant on the corner is now the > Winterland Restaurant! The fucking nerve. > Do they have a disco ball whirling over the patrons? DB ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Global Warming!...President fails to act! Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:21:41 GMT pv34pv3p wrote: BLACK KNIGHT: > Oh? All right, we'll call it a draw. I see no draw. Just a troll looking like a complete moron. But keep running away junior. Makes you much easier to forget. -JC ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) From: Sherry Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:28:00 GMT > The ONLY way that Blacks > will ever diminish the effects of racism on their community is when they > stop buying into the message that all white people are out to get them. And the only way that will happen is when white people stop insisting racism is only black people's problem. It's not. We are all here together, and the way to start to eliminate racism is to learn why and how it works - and who benefits. > I understand, but I don't think all of the blame lies within the white > community, I think that the current black leadership has done a huge > diservice to their constituency by allowing them to be victims instead of > empowering them as Martin Luther King did It's not "blame", it's REALITY - in this country, whites are the ones in power. "Allow" them to be victims? How so? How did MLK empower blacks? Richard intelligently said: > It is not about blame ... it is about awareness, bro. It is about not > practicing denial that this stuff is still happening, and about > understanding why black people feel the way they do. You didn't cause it, I > didn't cause it ... yet it happens. The question is simply what to do about > it, not to try to figure out who is at fault. And that is my point, as well. Change happens one step at a time, one person at a time. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:29:03 +0900 > The only problem I have is when the Bush-apologist rmgd posters are > hypocrites and put the blame on everyone they can but the Bush > Adminstration for Bush Adminstration's failures, and then resort to > boorish rhetoric and run away from an actual discussion when called on > it. > > Ray they do it for the same reason a dog licks his gonads: because they can! (though the Internet is limitless, they nonetheless should stay in their cesspool chatgroups and keep their desperate, eternal, irrelevant yammering about Clinton's bj, etc., to themselves.) -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: 20 Sep 2005 08:32:47 -0700 Sherry wrote: > > The ONLY way that Blacks > > will ever diminish the effects of racism on their community is when they > > stop buying into the message that all white people are out to get them. > > And the only way that will happen is when white people stop insisting racism > is only black people's problem. It's not. We are all here together, and the > way to start to eliminate racism is to learn why and how it works - and who > benefits. > > > I understand, but I don't think all of the blame lies within the white > > community, I think that the current black leadership has done a huge > > diservice to their constituency by allowing them to be victims instead of > > empowering them as Martin Luther King did > > It's not "blame", it's REALITY - in this country, whites are the ones in > power. > > "Allow" them to be victims? How so? How did MLK empower blacks? > > Richard intelligently said: > > It is not about blame ... it is about awareness, bro. It is about not > > practicing denial that this stuff is still happening, and about > > understanding why black people feel the way they do. You didn't cause it, I > > didn't cause it ... yet it happens. The question is simply what to do about > > it, not to try to figure out who is at fault. > > And that is my point, as well. Change happens one step at a time, one person > at a time. > > Sherry in Vermont Step 1: Get some black folks in Vermont! Mark ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:35:07 -0400 Thus spake GregSasso@gmail.com... > I'm not a huge LOM fan either. > > Actually, I'm not a huge Jerry Band fan either. I'm with you, man. Never figured out precisely why, on paper, the JGB band sounds great. But after 15 minutes or so, I'm sound asleep. It may be one of those yin/yang sweet/sour things, where you needed the annoying Bobby songs (and fine Bobby rhythm playing) to make the Jerry songs seem so sweet. -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Neil Young Prarie Wind Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:38:23 +0900 On 2005-09-20 13:01:39 +0900, Joe said: > I just spent the last 2 hours, listening to a 45 minute RealAudio > interview from yesterday on NPR with Neil Young about Prairie Wind > (note: it came in perfect on dial-up, not a single glitch) and the > entire album at: > > > Thank me later. > > Joe I'll thank you now, and raise you streaming video from the DVD of the album (not sure if you can view it Joe, on dial-up, but there's a low-resolution option). check it on the Amazon page: http://tinyurl.com/akkkg -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: 20 Sep 2005 08:36:39 -0700 Rogues Island's finest wrote: > Sherry wrote: > > > The ONLY way that Blacks > > > will ever diminish the effects of racism on their community is when they > > > stop buying into the message that all white people are out to get them. > > > > And the only way that will happen is when white people stop insisting racism > > is only black people's problem. It's not. We are all here together, and the > > way to start to eliminate racism is to learn why and how it works - and who > > benefits. > > > > > I understand, but I don't think all of the blame lies within the white > > > community, I think that the current black leadership has done a huge > > > diservice to their constituency by allowing them to be victims instead of > > > empowering them as Martin Luther King did > > > > It's not "blame", it's REALITY - in this country, whites are the ones in > > power. > > > > "Allow" them to be victims? How so? How did MLK empower blacks? > > > > Richard intelligently said: > > > It is not about blame ... it is about awareness, bro. It is about not > > > practicing denial that this stuff is still happening, and about > > > understanding why black people feel the way they do. You didn't cause it, I > > > didn't cause it ... yet it happens. The question is simply what to do about > > > it, not to try to figure out who is at fault. > > > > And that is my point, as well. Change happens one step at a time, one person > > at a time. > > > > Sherry in Vermont > > Step 1: Get some black folks in Vermont! > > Mark Word. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .