From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #338 Dead-Flames Digest #338, Volume #48 Tue, 20 Sep 05 05:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) (Tim Donohoe) Re: thank me later (Joe) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) (Tim Donohoe) Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! (Joe) Re: thank me later ("ck") Re: (NDC): Head for the mountains! Bush!! ("Carlisle") Re: thank me later ("Tod") Re: thank me later ("ck") Re: I love a good Franklin's Tower ... ("Tod") Re: Neil Young Prarie Wind (DG) Free to browse sexy gothic gallery (mary19086@yahoo.com) Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) (Junter522) Re: A Brother to the North Wrote ("DGDevin") Re: North Carolinians love their ganja! (Heddy Nuggets) Re: Mickey Hart in Beantown (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: North Carolinians love their ganja! (kpnnews@yahoo.com) Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) (kpnnews@yahoo.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Donohoe Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 04:48:44 GMT Richard Morris wrote: > "Tim Donohoe" wrote in message > news:YRKXe.13416$x43.2774278@twister.nyc.rr.com... > >>Sherry wrote: >> >> >>>>I contend that black people can be plenty racist regardless of their >>>>"position" >>> >>> >>>They can be prejudiced, but racism is about who has power. >>> >>>Go here, learn: >>> >>>http://www.learntoquestion.com/class/log/archives/print/000442.html >>> >>>Sherry in Vermont >>> >> >>When you are in the south bronx, you don't have "the power" >> >>The store owner in Harlem didn't have "the power" >> >>The business owners in LA didn't have much power either. Many of whom were >>doing business in LA because they couldn't afford to open their shops on >>Rodeo drive, some who could barely speak english and ended up in that >>neighborhood because they couldn't afford to go anywhere else. When the >>shit hit the fan though there were people who immediatly targeted the non >>black businesses. That is a pure form of racism. >> >>1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or >>ability and that a particular race is superior to others. >>2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. >> >>No matter how you twist the meaning of the word to avoid hurting people's >>feelings, it is still racism by both definitions of the word. >> >>If you want to get into generational or institutionalized racism that >>might be a different story, but when you look at any of the examples I >>provided and the definition of racism you can see that black people can be >>racists. >> >>I would post a link to a Farrakhan speech but that might start a whole >>week of racism posts. > > > What the fuck is your point? That black people know how to hate? Duh. > Thanks for pointing that out. Any other revelations that you care to share? > > R. > > > Rather than respond like an asshole maybe you should read the short discussion between Roxanne and me. SOP for you to change the subject in the middle of a conversation though, but you are extending that tactic to discussions you aren't involved in now. here is the jist of it: Me: I contend that black people can be plenty racist regardless of their "position" Roxanne: They can be prejudiced, but racism is about who has power. ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: thank me later Date: 20 Sep 2005 04:57:17 GMT ck wrote: > "ck" wrote in message > news:K_6dncp8WvwKDbLeRVn-rA@adelphia.com... > > > http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=6947856&style=music&cart=27283 > > 1723 > > > > > no thanks due . i found a post from last month.same deal. Calling Hateful Matt, calling Hateful Hate. In your hatred, you mistook me for Chris Heresy, a guy who does indeed type to himself. Now, Hateful Matt, make nice or be further ridiculed and verbally slapped around; your choice. Joe ------------------------------ From: Tim Donohoe Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 04:49:54 GMT Tim Donohoe wrote: > Richard Morris wrote: > >> "Tim Donohoe" wrote in message >> news:YRKXe.13416$x43.2774278@twister.nyc.rr.com... >> >>> Sherry wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> I contend that black people can be plenty racist regardless of their >>>>> "position" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> They can be prejudiced, but racism is about who has power. >>>> >>>> Go here, learn: >>>> >>>> http://www.learntoquestion.com/class/log/archives/print/000442.html >>>> >>>> Sherry in Vermont >>>> >>> >>> When you are in the south bronx, you don't have "the power" >>> >>> The store owner in Harlem didn't have "the power" >>> >>> The business owners in LA didn't have much power either. Many of whom >>> were >>> doing business in LA because they couldn't afford to open their shops on >>> Rodeo drive, some who could barely speak english and ended up in that >>> neighborhood because they couldn't afford to go anywhere else. When the >>> shit hit the fan though there were people who immediatly targeted the >>> non >>> black businesses. That is a pure form of racism. >>> >>> 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or >>> ability and that a particular race is superior to others. >>> 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. >>> >>> No matter how you twist the meaning of the word to avoid hurting >>> people's >>> feelings, it is still racism by both definitions of the word. >>> >>> If you want to get into generational or institutionalized racism that >>> might be a different story, but when you look at any of the examples I >>> provided and the definition of racism you can see that black people >>> can be >>> racists. >>> >>> I would post a link to a Farrakhan speech but that might start a whole >>> week of racism posts. >> >> >> >> What the fuck is your point? That black people know how to hate? Duh. >> Thanks for pointing that out. Any other revelations that you care to >> share? >> >> R. >> >> >> > > Rather than respond like an asshole maybe you should read the short > discussion between Sherry (not Roxanne) and me. SOP for you to change the subject in > the middle of a conversation though, but you are extending that tactic > to discussions you aren't involved in now. > > here is the jist of it: > > Me: I contend that black people can be plenty racist regardless of their > "position" > > Sherry: They can be prejudiced, but racism is about who has power. Sorry, Sherry (and Roxanne) ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 20 Sep 2005 05:00:49 GMT pv34pv3p wrote: > >It's back to the drawing board... > >Joe > That's all anybody's really been askin' ya to do.. . Ah; that was quick. I've concluded that everyone in the SF Bay Area, except for pv34pv3p and DGDevin, are more evolved than those in Bush's FascistLand. Joe ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: thank me later Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:05:47 -0400 "Joe" wrote in message news:3p9j5cF9b109U1@individual.net... > ck wrote: > > > "ck" wrote in message > > news:K_6dncp8WvwKDbLeRVn-rA@adelphia.com... > > > > > http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=6947856&style=music&cart=27283 > > > 1723 > > > > > > > > > no thanks due . i found a post from last month.same deal. > > Calling Hateful Matt, calling Hateful Hate. > > In your hatred, you mistook me for Chris Heresy, a guy who does indeed > type to himself. > > Now, Hateful Matt, make nice or be further ridiculed and verbally slapped > around; your choice. > > Joe i was typing to everyone else but me dumba$$. Now did you hear George Galloway excoruriating your president in his "debate" with Chris Hitchens? ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: (NDC): Head for the mountains! Bush!! Date: 19 Sep 2005 22:24:53 -0700 Cassady Ginsberg wrote: > "Steve Terry" wrote: > > } "Carlisle" wrote: > > } > Bush schmush--don't you owe me a crispy > } soundboard, since we made a bet > } > and I said the Hoosiers were gonna beat Kentucky?? > } Isn't that how it > } > went? Steve, really you can trust me. No way would > } I lace your bourbon > } > balls with chocolate ExLax..Not something I would > } even think about > } > doing. ;}} > } > carrie > } > } Never dreamed you'd do something like that, but I > } did plan on letting the > } kids try them first. My wife and I went to the game > } and had a blast. > } Tailgated with some Kentucky folk and even got the > } lowdown on Bourbon Balls. > } Hey I WON the bet, girl. How 'bout a Phish show from > } your vast collection as > } I have none? Or Bourbon balls? > > See what happens when you deal with a Republican? > First she claims the opposite of what happened is the > truth, then she threatens to send adulterated product > instead of simply paying up on the debt she owes. > > Guess ol' Joe was right again.... :-) > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com HA! Rich. But really, I'm a generous soul. (Joe knows cool, right??) And I bid you Good Nite-- Carrie ------------------------------ From: "Tod" Subject: Re: thank me later Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:30:04 GMT ....or not at all. ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: thank me later Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:36:38 -0400 "Tod" wrote in message news:w7NXe.928$OC2.691@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > ...or not at all. > > you must have an infinity of time to waste ,huh? what's "Tod " stand for? Re-Toded? ------------------------------ From: "Tod" Subject: Re: I love a good Franklin's Tower ... Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:50:37 GMT "Steve Terry" wrote in message news:dgnoeu$1eps$1@news.iquest.net... > > "Richard Morris" wrote in message > news:7dKdnR2cN6ufGbHeRVn-hg@comcast.com... >> One of my favorites has always been the version on Dead Set, recorded >> live at the Warfield Theater ... >> >> It probably isn't the best version out there, but they nailed the >> rhythmic feel for this tune from the get-go that night. >> >> Love the syncopated rhythm guitar lines about 11 seconds into the intro. >> Franklin's is a tune which lives and dies on syncopation, and those >> guitar strums establish the rhythmic feel for this entire version. >> >> Love the way the drummers were feeding that rhythmic feel with their >> single stick rolls into the one (examples at 53 seconds into the tune, >> and again a 1:06). These are the kind of nuances that a drummer can drop >> in when he or she is feeling absolutely comfie with the tune and wants to >> get cocky about it. >> >> Phil was letting it bounce through most of the tune. Jerry's first lead >> ... no big deal. Second lead, I think he switched to some finger picking >> to mix his lead rhythmically with Phil and the drummers. >> >> And it all hangs together so very, very well as ensemble play by the >> band. >> >> What's yer favorite Franklin? >> >> R. >> >> >> -- >> Drop "trousers" to respond via email. >> > > Hey Richard, check out the DVD of 10/31/80, and watch the boys in action. > This song exemplifies what synergy is to me. You can watch these six > musicians each doing their respective thing and it doesn't seem to add up. > I hear more than appears to be happening on stage. It's a classic example > of what the Grateful Dead are all about, IMHO. ================== It's musical "gestalt". The whole is greater than the sum of its arts. -Tod ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: Neil Young Prarie Wind Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:39:13 -0700 Joe wrote: > >I just spent the last 2 hours, listening to a 45 minute RealAudio >interview from yesterday on NPR with Neil Young about Prairie Wind (note: >it came in perfect on dial-up, not a single glitch) and the entire album >at: > > > >Thank me later. His Farm Aid performance on Saturday was awesome. Just go the audio this AM. This album is back to old Neil. ------------------------------ From: mary19086@yahoo.com Subject: Free to browse sexy gothic gallery Date: 19 Sep 2005 23:42:54 -0700 Check out our large photo gallery for gothic and their admirers. Still looking for that special someone? http://www.aboutme.com/gothicclub/gothicmodelsuck.htm ------------------------------ From: Junter522 Subject: Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:13:47 GMT Spider Dawg wrote: > Got Cream? > > I never expected tickets to still be available when I got home from work > today, but after 45 minutes of turning down tix behind the stage I got > section 336! Good enough for me! > > Now I've got to figure out how to get there and where I'm gonna stay. > I've never been to "the" city and am not too crazy about the idea of > trying to drive there, or find my way around via public transportation, > so I'm thinking of taking Amtrak right to Penn Station. Problem with > that is where to spend the night, I'm assuming Manhatten hotels are > waaay out of my budget. So I guess what I'm asking for is advise on > reasonably priced accomodations that are easily accessable from "the > garden". Any info appreciated, and I'm sure there are plenty of other > folk wondering the same thing. > > TIA, > Jim (from Michigan) > I know of a few hotels at the 75$ range.E-mail me jim if you want.Junter522@verizon.net. Peace Gary ------------------------------ From: "DGDevin" Subject: Re: A Brother to the North Wrote Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:56:34 GMT "sacha" wrote in message news:432f456e$1@news.accesscomm.ca... > > We have our share of Bushite apologists here in Canada too. They used to > use > the oxymoronic name Progressive Conservatives, now they're the simply > moronic "Alliance". > No hope in hell of forming a Govt here. Of course not, the residents of Quebec and Ontario know that the Liberals will always take care of them at the expense of the rest of the country, so they vote for the machine and the money flows where it's supposed to, with the occasional scandal and token investigation of course. And if the health care system is coming apart at the seams, well, throw ten billion more at it to keep if creaking along a few more years.... ------------------------------ From: Heddy Nuggets Subject: Re: North Carolinians love their ganja! Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:25:12 GMT Mookie wrote: > ba ba booie wrote: > >> North Carolinians love their ganja! >> >> Authorities discover huge marijuana farm >> >> >> >> WALLACE, N.C. -- Authorities have discovered a 10- to 15-acre pot farm >> near Wallace, valued in the millions of dollars and considered the >> area's biggest marijuana bust in recent memory. >> >> "I don't recall a bust this big in southeastern North Carolina in my >> time," said Sheriff Blake Wallace, who worked for the State Bureau of >> Investigation for 11 years before he became the Duplin County sheriff in >> 2002. >> >> The marijuana recovered Sunday morning, which weighed in at 4,160 >> pounds, has a street value of about $9.9 million, Wallace said, adding >> that the numbers were likely to increase as deputies continue their >> recovery work on Monday.No arrests had been made as of late Sunday. >> >> The bust was the result of an ongoing investigation and a tip from a >> citizen who called the sheriff office late Saturday evening. >> >> Deputies went to the location about 2 a.m. Sunday and said they found >> themselves in fields of pot plants, some as tall as 13 feet. Deputies >> found three huts where someone had lived, probably those tending the pot >> fields, Wallace said. >> >> "We found sleeping bags, cook tops, cell phone chargers and chemicals to >> keep insects and deer away from the plants," he said. >> >> Ownership of the land was not known late Sunday. >> >> "We are hoping to get higher up in the organization than just those who >> tended these plants," Wallace said. "Anytime you can get this amount of >> dope off the street it's a big day for us." >> bbb wrote: ***Deputies went to the location about 2 a.m. Sunday and >> said they found >> themselves in fields of pot plants, some as tall as 13 feet.*** >> bbb wrote: booie bowing his head in silence : ( >> >> >> >> . >> . >> . >> Have you checked these sites out today? >> http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com >> http://www.jambase.com/festivals . >> >> Find out where your favorite band is playing. Pollstar (the concert >> hotwire) http://pollstar.com >> > > Believe it or not, (and I have nothing to back this up except my foggy > memory reading it somewhere, that THAT is the number one cash crop in > ole' NC. > They told us that about TN and KY when we were in college in Maryville. -- --NUG Help me get my iPod!!! http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=14378469 ======================== heddy.nuggets AT Gmail dot com I don't care what Robbie says, "BE GOOD FAMILY" in everything you do. ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Mickey Hart in Beantown Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 06:57:33 -0400 The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > > Mickey will be in town on 10/16 for a drum clinic/performance at The > Berklee Performance Center. It's a benefit fundraiser for a non-profit > organization I work with. > > It's shaping up to be a good time... > > Info at http://www.right-turn.biz/events2005-10-16.htm I just got an email stating that Mickey's pulled out of the show. No reason was given... ------------------------------ From: kpnnews@yahoo.com Subject: Re: North Carolinians love their ganja! Date: 20 Sep 2005 04:32:41 -0700 ba ba booie wrote: > North Carolinians love their ganja! Yes, yes we do. Kurt ------------------------------ From: kpnnews@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NYC advise needed (CC,NDC) Date: 20 Sep 2005 04:43:26 -0700 Spider Dawg wrote: > > Now I've got to figure out how to get there and where I'm gonna stay. > I've never been to "the" city and am not too crazy about the idea of > trying to drive there, or find my way around via public transportation, > so I'm thinking of taking Amtrak right to Penn Station. I did a quick search on kayak.com, and the rates aren't bad, but I can't say if they are decent. You can do your own search and see. The results are given in distance from Grand Central, but you can then sort on price. However, the main reason I responded was to say that the subway is your friend in NYC. Just pick up a subway map at one of the stations, and you are good to go. Also, go to Ollie's Noodle Shop for excellent Chinese roast meats and noodle soups and dumplings. Kurt PS - Once you get your hotel, I am sure that the folks here will give you good advice so your time in the city will be very well spent. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .