From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #335 Dead-Flames Digest #335, Volume #48 Mon, 19 Sep 05 20:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: Global Warming!...President fails to act! ("Ray") Re: (NDC): Head for the mountains! Bush!! ("Steve Terry") Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? (the.stugots@gmail.com) Re: 10 years ago today ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: Clinton interviews.. (wyeknot) Re: Clinton interviews.. (Joe) Re: Clinton interviews.. ("ck") Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("peggo") Re: Clinton interviews.. (wyeknot) Re: Clinton interviews.. ("ck") Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) (Tim Donohoe) Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? (Tim Donohoe) Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) ("Cal O'Chortus") Re: Clinton interviews.. ("Cal O'Chortus") Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) (Sherry) Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("pv34pv3p") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Global Warming!...President fails to act! Date: 19 Sep 2005 18:50:59 -0700 Carlisle wrote: > Carlisle wrote: > > Ray wrote: > > > "Nearly all climate scientists today believe that much of Earth's > > > current warming has been caused by increases in the amount of > > > greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, mostly from the burning of fossil > > > fuels." > > > > > > - Ralph J. Cicerone, President of the National Academy of Sciences, > > > U.S. Senate testimony, July 21, 2005 > > > > Thanks for taking the time, Ray. Seriously. My education is an on-going > > process. I don't have any answers in reality. I mean other than my > > Physics/Chem PhD from MIT, I'm feeling around in the dark like most > > other Americans. (kidding)..So there is global warming. The larger > > question is how catastrophic could it become and is it worthwhile and > > realistic to try and reduce the Earth's tempertaures? There is so much > > information out there. I've looked..I'm still looking..The bottom line > > is--what are the answers?? Carrie, If you are looking for answers with *absolute* certaintly you then won't find them - that's simply not the way science works. The only way we will know with *absolute* certaintly about the effects of global warming is after the fact - if even then. So if you -- and FTM all of us -- wait for *absolute* certaintly before we act here it will be too late to do anything about it. Again think of the terrorist threat: like global warming it exists as a real threat, but we won't know with *absolute* certaintly what we are dealing with until after the fact - if even then. And with addressing terrorism -- just like when addressing environmental threats like global warming -- some of our predictions will have been incorrect. But does that mean we shouldn't act to address these real threats to our safety and national security? That's a value judgement, of course, but in my view not to such threats is crazy - IMO we should always address substantial threats to our safety and national security, even when we aren't *certain* about the actual nature of the threat. YMMV. > > Here is an interesting site only meant to give another perspective. > > http://www.skepticism.net/faq/environment/global_warming/ > > respect, > > carrie > > > Let me try again- > http://www.skepticism.net/faq/environment/global_warming/ This site is mostly old information and has many outdated and broken links. It also links to the Heartland Institute (acutally the link is broken) - a conservative "think tank"/poltical propaganda entity that is notoriously biased against environmentalism and puts politics before science. As such, because of the inclusion of this link I don't trust the judgement, objectivity, or understanding of the issue by this site's creator. Ray ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: (NDC): Head for the mountains! Bush!! Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:56:45 -0500 "Carlisle" wrote in message news:1127181061.086131.325160@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > > Steve Terry wrote: >> "RickNBarbInSD" wrote in message >> news:1127175912.499064.120130@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> > http://www.nbcsandiego.com/entertainment/4985473/detail.html >> > >> > >> > >> > Son Of Gov. Bush Charged With Public Intoxication >> > >> > >> > POSTED: 5:45 pm PDT September 16, 2005 >> > >> > AUSTIN, Texas -- The youngest son of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has been >> > arrested in Austin, Texas, and charged with public intoxication and >> > resisting arrest. >> > >> > Law enforcement officials also say John Ellis Bush -- who is 21 -- was >> > arrested by agents of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission early >> > Friday in Austin's Sixth Street bar district. >> > >> > Officials say the nephew of President George W. Bush was released on >> > $2,500 bond for the resisting arrest charge, and on a personal >> > recognizance bond for the public intoxication charge. >> > Copyright 2005 by >> > >> >> Sounds like he's right on track to be Prez someday just like his uncle. > > Bush schmush--don't you owe me a crispy soundboard, since we made a bet > and I said the Hoosiers were gonna beat Kentucky?? Isn't that how it > went? Steve, really you can trust me. No way would I lace your bourbon > balls with chocolate ExLax..Not something I would even think about > doing. ;}} > carrie Never dreamed you'd do something like that, but I did plan on letting the kids try them first. My wife and I went to the game and had a blast. Tailgated with some Kentucky folk and even got the lowdown on Bourbon Balls. Hey I WON the bet, girl. How 'bout a Phish show from your vast collection as I have none? Or Bourbon balls? ------------------------------ From: the.stugots@gmail.com Subject: Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? Date: 19 Sep 2005 19:01:15 -0700 remember the 'Jerry's Acid Park" shirts...? the summer of Jurassiac Park... eat...drink & see jerry?? ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: 10 years ago today Date: 19 Sep 2005 19:02:41 -0700 Steve Lenier wrote: > in article 1127132112.975484.216200@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, Rogues > Island's finest at mthitch@aol.com wrote on 9/19/05 5:15 AM: > > > The tickets I have framed over my desk would have been used to see the > > Grateful Dead play their last show at the Boston Garden. > > > > sigh. > > > > Mark > > > > Do they have the little Jerry stamped on the back, which GDTS did for anyone > getting a refund on those previously issued tix? My Devore tix have that. > And I still have my Shoreline envelope which was returned unopened. They would have if I'd gotten off my ass and returned them to GDTS. Mark ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:04:40 -0400 wyeknot wrote: > Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > >> "wyeknot" < wrote in message ... >> brew ziggins wrote: >> >>> Personally, I didn't mind his philandering so much as the bimbos he >>> philandered with. He could have been boffing supermodels and Hollywood >>> royalty, but he couldn't get past the trailer trash. >> >> >> Supermodels, Hollywood Royalty, and Trailer Trash all rate about the >> same in my book. > > ***** > >> The sad part is you need to examine your own biases. >> You are lumping people into a category based on where >> they live and how "back-ass" you assume them to be. >> Pretty similar to the evacuees, eh? > > > Roxanne, you are a funny one. So my statement that I find "Supermodels, > Hollywood Royalty, and Trailer Trash" equally unattractive was > interpretted by you as a massive anti-Clinton, anti-evacuee rant?!?! > > Are you on drugs? > > If not, your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking today. Matt ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: 20 Sep 2005 02:09:28 GMT wyeknot wrote: > wyeknot wrote: > > Are you on drugs? > > > > If not, your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking today. > > Matt Yo, Hateful Matt. It's poor form to follow-up your own posting. Bad Dead Head. Minus -2 points and go stand in the corner for an hour. Joe ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:13:59 -0400 "Joe" wrote in message news:3p99aoF98a96U1@individual.net... > wyeknot wrote: > > wyeknot wrote: > > > > Are you on drugs? > > > > > > If not, your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking today. > > > > > > Matt > > Yo, Hateful Matt. It's poor form to follow-up your own posting. Bad Dead > Head. Minus -2 points and go stand in the corner for an hour. > > Joe Joe did you heare George Galloway in NYC today? Here's one of his older speeches. while i look for some audio. If i didn't know better i;d have sworn it was you. http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F70955DA-D1AA-41DF-AC4D-40001BCE0403. htm ------------------------------ From: "peggo" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:14:08 -0500 "Richard Morris" wrote in message news:kJGdncSVYstrybLeRVn-qw@comcast.com... > > "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message > news:hiBXe.594$uA6.221@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com... >> >> "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" <> wrote in message >> At this point it shouldn't be that tough for the black community to >> integrate themselves. >> >> The questions isn't does racism still exist: of course it does. The >> question is how does the black community overcome it? >> >> I think a lot of the current racism is based on the current state of the >> black community. It isn't fair, but that "new" racism will continue >> until >> the black community makes more progress on their own. Family stability >> is >> part of that neccesary progress. >> >> EGBH >> *********************** >> This is exactly what I mean when I say the dominant culture >> has to change. You would THINK that so many years after >> civil right, womens right, that we would feel integrated. Even >> today, I can still see and feel the sexism, the bias and the >> glass ceilings standing in my way. It's usually the minority >> that understands the dominant culture more than they understand >> themselves. This just isn't a black issue. > > I believe that you are absolutely correct, Roxanne. > > R. I know she is. peggo ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:18:29 -0400 Joe wrote: > wyeknot wrote: >>wyeknot wrote: > >>>Are you on drugs? >>> >>>If not, your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking today. > >> > > Yo, Hateful Matt. It's poor form to follow-up your own posting. Bad Dead > Head. Minus -2 points and go stand in the corner for an hour. Yo dummy, shall we tally the number of times in the past week that you followed-up your own posts, in converstational style no less (unlike my fair observational follow-up), like you're talking to yourself. Actually that kinda-looney-tunes image seems to fit you. Carry on! Matt ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:18:58 -0400 "ck" wrote in message news:s_SdnbV5wozC7bLeRVn-vQ@adelphia.com... > > "Joe" wrote in message > news:3p99aoF98a96U1@individual.net... > > wyeknot wrote: > > > wyeknot wrote: > > > > > > Are you on drugs? > > > > > > > > If not, your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking today. > > > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > Yo, Hateful Matt. It's poor form to follow-up your own posting. Bad Dead > > Head. Minus -2 points and go stand in the corner for an hour. > > > > Joe > > > Joe did you heare George Galloway in NYC today? Here's one of his older > speeches. while i look for some audio. If i didn't know better i;d have > sworn it was you. > http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F70955DA-D1AA-41DF-AC4D-40001BCE0403. > htm > > here it is http://www.democracynow.org/ ------------------------------ From: Tim Donohoe Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:21:21 GMT Sherry wrote: >>At this point it shouldn't be that tough for the black community to >>integrate themselves. >> >>The questions isn't does racism still exist: of course it does. The >>question is how does the black community overcome it? > > > Racism is not a problem only for people of color - think about it - whites > in the US, in dominant power positions created it. The victims of racism > have nothing to do with how people choose to treat them based on > appearances. > Take a trip to the south bronx and try your theory out. Many black people hate you because of the color of your skin. Tell that to the family of the white store owner on 125th Street in NYC who got killed after a Sharpton rally. Maybe ask the Asian and white business owners in LA after the Rodney King riots, did you see any other reason for black store owners to identify their stores as "Black owned" with spray paint? I contend that black people can be plenty racist regardless of their "position" ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:09:17 -0400 the.stugots@gmail.com wrote: > > For some reason lamenting the loss of my > 'Trouble ahead Jerry in red" shirt > circa 1982-83???? > > Uncle Jerry's Trip Wax > 'The best dead for your head" > pocket T > circa 1989 summer tour.... > > One of the things i miss about the lot scene > was the variety of high quailty, funny, way cool, > and affordable t-shirts ever. The one shirt that I still think about from time to time and wish I still had was my Bobby & The Midnites shirt that I got at their 1982 E.M. Lowes's Theater show in Worcester. It fit perfectly and was always the most comfortable shirt in my collection. I have no idea what happened to it. It just disappeared a few years later, never to return... ------------------------------ From: Tim Donohoe Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:20:21 GMT Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > "neurodancer" wrote in message > news:1127139745.100379.282270@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >>Richard Morris wrote: >> >>>"Neil X." wrote in message >>>news:1126924052.223277.161580@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>> >>>>>Dave Kelly wrote: >>>>> >>>>>* From the reports I've been getting from Boston....the ONLY thing you >>>>>been able to keep straight is the thong >>>> >>>> >>>>That reminds me, I was at a genomics convention this week, saw >>>>something I'd never seen before. There was an actual hooker at a >>>>science meeting. I mean, she was just sitting at one of the tables set >>>>up near the free coffee, cruising for nerds, wearing three inch >>>>mini-skirt and five inch heels. She was one bored and >>>>disappointed-looking businesswoman. Molecular biologists aren't >>>>exactly famous for their "Whataever Happens in Vegas" attitudes. There >>>>might actually be a book in this tale--"The Lonely Hooker." Actually, >>>>more like a video, and not one you could get at Blockbuster........ >>> >>>She was just looking for donations of genetic material. All well within >>>the >>>spirit and intent of the convention. >>> >>>By the way, just wut *do* molecular biologists go to conventions for? >>> >>>R. > > > >>To get hammered and chase hookers, just like everybody else. They're >>human too you know. > > > Whenever there was a big computer geek or scientist convention in Vegas, the > local papers always ran stories about how they don't go to shows, tip > anyone, drink much, or chase hookers, and how their presence took up rooms > that could have been used by people looking to party and spend money. They > usually interviewed some call girl to back up their point. > > EGBH > > > > So what happens in Vegas no longer stays in vegas? I think they used to have the same problem with deadheads, it drove them nuts when 150 people marched though the casino without spending a dime and headed straight for the buffet and pool. ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Cal O'Chortus" From: "Cal O'Chortus" Subject: Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:39:19 GMT "brew ziggins" wrote in message news:MPG.1d98a0f13aadb1309897d8@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu... > > 'Deadwood' lost to 'Lost' and Ian McShane didn't win the Best Actor > (Drama) Emmy. > > What a crock of shit, the cocksucking hoopleheads at the ATAS completely > missed the point of the whole fucking conversation. I second this fucking contention and add that if you disagree, you suck cock by choice. By all fucking means, let's rend our fucking garments and weep at this sad turn of events. God bless Al Swearengen, murdering cocksucker that he is, and pussy's half-price the next fifteen minutes! ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Cal O'Chortus" From: "Cal O'Chortus" Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:42:53 GMT "ck" wrote in message news:dqCdnUeD5_onIbDeRVn-2w@adelphia.com... > > "Don Bean" wrote in message > news:UQiXe.9080$gE7.6223@fe08.lga... >> Did anyone see Clinton interviewed today ?? The guy still has the right >> answers. Its funny (and sad too) how stark a difference it is between his >> years/ideas compared to what we have now... Say what you want but Clinton >> represented this country well... >> Bean >> >> >> > > sorry Don but you are nuts. > And when a burnt out druggie whose entire view of the universe has been fashioned out of the hellish depths of a bad acid trip disagrees with you or calls you nuts, well, that's when you know you're on the right track. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) From: Sherry Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:45:55 GMT > I contend that black people can be plenty racist regardless of their > "position" They can be prejudiced, but racism is about who has power. Go here, learn: http://www.learntoquestion.com/class/log/archives/print/000442.html Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:27:49 -0400 kpnnews@yahoo.com wrote: > > the.stugots@gmail.com wrote: > > For some reason lamenting the loss of my > > I had a Black Sabbath baseball jersey back when I was > in junior high. It was a siloette of a shadowy horned > Satan with glowing eyes towering over the lake of > fire. People were falling through his fingers into > hell. I thought it was the coolest thing; in fact > I still do. Oh, this is rmgd. I had a cat-in-the-hat > in his trippy car that I wore out. I even (badly) > dyed it myself. That was a keeper as well. > > I recently got compliments on a Blue Oyster Cult > shirt at the local Wholefoods. The meat counter > guy kept (disturbingly) smiling at me. He finally > cracked. "Cool shirt man." Yes, yes it is. Aside from the Dead (and bands I worked for), BOC was the band I saw the most (15+ times). The last shirt of their's I got was when they toured as Soft White Underbelly in the mid-80s. The front of the shirt had a lizard/frog thing laying on it's back in a pool of blood w/the BOC logo hooked through it's belly. That one got *lots* of comments. I think my favorite BOC shirt was from the 'Fire of Unknown Origin' tour. The album cover worked really well as a tshirt graphic. I recently saw a clip of them performing "Dont Fear the Reaper" in 2004. It really bugged me that one of my alltime favorite bands now looks like a bunch of high school chemistry teachers getting together to play BOC covers on the weekends -- tho I give them credit for never throwing in the towel, regardless of shrinking record sales and having to play club tours in the late 80s... At the beginnig of summer, I found an ancient Pink Floyd/Dark Side of the Moon tshirt that I'd long since forgotten about. The first day I wore it (in June), I ended up in an emergency room after aggravating a torn ligament in my thumb. Almost every nurse and doctor that either treated me or just walked by commented that they thought it was a cool shirt. I guess some things never go out of style... ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:32:36 -0400 Rupert wrote: > > Oh man, I just wish that I had bought larger sizes back when I was in > high school! I was a skinny bastard back then. > > I've still got all of my old shirts, no matter how ratty they are...my > first show at Moscone Center in 1982, Return to Forever from '83, The > Who's "Farewell" tour from '82, Roger Waters' "Pros & Cons of > Hitchiking" tour from '85. > > Owen gets to impress his little friends as soon as he's big enough to > fit into 'em. A friend's sister makes comforters out of old tshirts. She showed me one that was made from all her old punk shirts and I liked the way it came out. I've thought about getting together a collection of a couple dozen or so of my favorite tshirts that are stuffed away in drawers and boxes and sending them up to Maine to be made into something that I'll get some use out of. ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: 19 Sep 2005 19:59:29 -0700 >in LA after the Rodney King riots Hell...what about SF??? Damn near bit the big one myself gettin' into the Jerry show that night... pv34pv3p(South of Market in the land of ruin....) ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .