From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #333 Dead-Flames Digest #333, Volume #48 Mon, 19 Sep 05 18:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) (polasus@my-deja.com) Re: Just when you thought it couldn't get wierder.... ("pv34pv3p") Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? (Mookie) Re: North Carolinians love their ganja! (Mookie) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Richard Morris") Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Richard Morris") Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Richard Morris") Re: Global Warming!...President fails to act! ("Ray") (NDC): Head for the mountains! Bush!! ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: (NDC): Head for the mountains! Bush!! (band beyond description) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("pv34pv3p") Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? (band beyond description) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: polasus@my-deja.com Subject: Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) Date: 19 Sep 2005 17:05:51 -0700 I agree with the sentiment, although I am not quite positive I know what a cocksucking hooplehead is. brew ziggins wrote: > 'Deadwood' lost to 'Lost' and Ian McShane didn't win the Best Actor > (Drama) Emmy. > > What a crock of shit, the cocksucking hoopleheads at the ATAS completely > missed the point of the whole fucking conversation. > > -- > bruce higgins ithaca ny > most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: Just when you thought it couldn't get wierder.... Date: 19 Sep 2005 17:06:33 -0700 Surely you don't miss the strategy in this? I've only hung around for a week or 2, but hafta admit, ya'll are wearin' me down...and even I'm beginning to see the "bigger" picture....;~) pv34pv3p(On the count of 3 everyone switch parties...1..2...) ------------------------------ From: Mookie Subject: Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:09:52 GMT the.stugots@gmail.com wrote: > For some reason lamenting the loss of my > 'Trouble ahead Jerry in red" shirt > circa 1982-83???? > > Uncle Jerry's Trip Wax > 'The best dead for your head" > pocket T > circa 1989 summer tour.... > > One of the things i miss about the lot scene > was the variety of high quailty, funny, way cool, > and affordable t-shirts ever. > > > -matt > The Star Trek shirt with all the hippies in the back ground and 'Bones' McCoy telling the rest of the crew - "There Dead Jim". Way to fuckinghillarious. ------------------------------ From: Mookie Subject: Re: North Carolinians love their ganja! Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:11:46 GMT ba ba booie wrote: > North Carolinians love their ganja! > > > Authorities discover huge marijuana farm > > > > WALLACE, N.C. -- Authorities have discovered a 10- to 15-acre pot farm > near Wallace, valued in the millions of dollars and considered the > area's biggest marijuana bust in recent memory. > > "I don't recall a bust this big in southeastern North Carolina in my > time," said Sheriff Blake Wallace, who worked for the State Bureau of > Investigation for 11 years before he became the Duplin County sheriff in > 2002. > > The marijuana recovered Sunday morning, which weighed in at 4,160 > pounds, has a street value of about $9.9 million, Wallace said, adding > that the numbers were likely to increase as deputies continue their > recovery work on Monday.No arrests had been made as of late Sunday. > > The bust was the result of an ongoing investigation and a tip from a > citizen who called the sheriff office late Saturday evening. > > Deputies went to the location about 2 a.m. Sunday and said they found > themselves in fields of pot plants, some as tall as 13 feet. Deputies > found three huts where someone had lived, probably those tending the pot > fields, Wallace said. > > "We found sleeping bags, cook tops, cell phone chargers and chemicals to > keep insects and deer away from the plants," he said. > > Ownership of the land was not known late Sunday. > > "We are hoping to get higher up in the organization than just those who > tended these plants," Wallace said. "Anytime you can get this amount of > dope off the street it's a big day for us." > > bbb wrote: > ***Deputies went to the location about 2 a.m. Sunday and said they found > themselves in fields of pot plants, some as tall as 13 feet.*** > > bbb wrote: > booie bowing his head in silence : ( > > > > > > . > . > . > Have you checked these sites out today? > http://www.jambase.com > http://www.jambands.com > http://www.jambase.com/festivals > . > > Find out where your favorite band is playing. > Pollstar (the concert hotwire) http://pollstar.com > Believe it or not, (and I have nothing to back this up except my foggy memory reading it somewhere, that THAT is the number one cash crop in ole' NC. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:15:39 -0700 "volkfolk" wrote in message news:UPidnUzR-Y0uO7PeRVn-oA@comcast.com... > > "Richard Morris" wrote in message > news:C_2dnShcWPSlQ7DeRVn-pQ@comcast.com... >> >> "volkfolk" wrote in message >> news:TridnXkmB7uKSrDeRVn-qw@comcast.com... snip > Unfortunately some (most?) people still base their perceptions and > opinions on stereotypes. I have seen it with my own eyes. Indeed they do ... some have even suggested that we are genetically hardwired to stereotype. > Prejudices are every where,. and it is very unfortunate, but ANYONE can be > successful in this country if they want to work hard. I live one town over > from one of the most racially diverse cities in Massachusetts, (Lowell, > MA) There are at least 20 distinct ethnic communities. There is a sizable > group of Africans within that group (Liberian, Sierra Leone, Kenyan > mostly with a few other countris mixed in) The Africans who I know are of > the opinion that American blacks spend (waste) a lot of time feeling sorry > for themselves and dwelling on how the got screwed by white people. Their > opinion is that there is more opportunity here than there is anywhere else > in the world, and they don't care about whatever prejudices some people > might harbor Certainly ... but the point of all of this wasn't to dispute that the issue of bias is on the minds of black folks all the time. The point was to demonstrate that there is a reason why that is so. Outsiders can see it as an over-reaction ... white people can see it that way if they want to. But to not understand that it is there, and that the feelings are reinforced in the experiences of black people continually is to simply not understand the totality of the situation. >> Another one: My friend Dr. Tom Williams, PhD in education loves to tell >> the story of him driving down Interstate 5 by himself one afternoon. He >> needs to pass a slower-moving car so he does, but as he gets up next to >> the car he sees that it is being driven by a woman by herself. She looks >> to her left as he passes her, and sees him in his car ... and she reaches >> over and locks her door! Going 70 miles an hour on the freeway! > > I have had the same experience that your friend had. (although I was > stopped at a traffic light) I have a ponytail and sometimes have a beard. > I don't think that I am the least bit intimidating, but obviously this > woman thought that I was threatening looking based on my appearence. Many > woman who are alone are afraid of men. Yes. But don't you dig the absurdity of feeling threatened by someone to the extent that you lock your door while driving down the freeway at 70 mph? Tom is a very sharp dresser, and was driving a Lexus. Yet, the woman perceived him as threatening because he is black. And do you understand that you can go home, shave, get a haircut, and dress up? But a black man can't go home and change his skin color. snip > Racism will never go away. It is part of human nature to be suspicious and > afraid of people who are different than they are. It has been happening > throughout recorded history. What makes any of us think that it will ever > stop being an issue? Sounds like a good reason for black people to give up and go on welfare, then. You admit that they are right, I guess. ### >> Some black folks teach their kids that they have to be "better than" in >> order to make it ... > > That is good advice to give any child of any race. That may sound good to you in a general sense, but in the context of skin color, I can't agree with you. What your are telling the kid, then, is that because they are black, they have to work harder than white kids to achieve the same level of success. You are telling them that the world is unfair, that the playing field is not level because they are black. How long would it take you, if you were a black kid, to hate white people under those circumstances? >>others teach their kids that the deck is stacked against them in the white >>man's world so they just have to get over any way that they can ... > > That is bad advice IMO, because in this day and age, I don't believe it to > be true. Life is never an equal playing field, no matter how much we wish > it was. Scot, I definitely believe that shit happens. Life offers no guarantees. But we are not talking about some abstraction here ... we are talking about racism happening. We are talking about both unintentional and intentional conduct on the part of one group, directed at another group, which denies them the same privileges that the majority group takes for granted. I don't think that you understand that fully, but it is a key to understanding why black people react the way that they do within the American culture. R. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:16:51 -0700 "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message news:hiBXe.594$uA6.221@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com... > > "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" <> wrote in message > At this point it shouldn't be that tough for the black community to > integrate themselves. > > The questions isn't does racism still exist: of course it does. The > question is how does the black community overcome it? > > I think a lot of the current racism is based on the current state of the > black community. It isn't fair, but that "new" racism will continue until > the black community makes more progress on their own. Family stability is > part of that neccesary progress. > > EGBH > *********************** > This is exactly what I mean when I say the dominant culture > has to change. You would THINK that so many years after > civil right, womens right, that we would feel integrated. Even > today, I can still see and feel the sexism, the bias and the > glass ceilings standing in my way. It's usually the minority > that understands the dominant culture more than they understand > themselves. This just isn't a black issue. I believe that you are absolutely correct, Roxanne. R. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:19:15 -0700 "LP" wrote in message news:1127147622.836872.50960@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > volkfolk wrote: > > >> (snip).... unless the Jesse Jackson's and the Louis Farrakan's stop >> playing the race card everytime that something happens to poor Black >> people >> it won't happen. > > Quoted for truth! Yes, and as good an example of bias as any that have been printed here recently. Why do you assume that Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakan speak for all black people, and that whatever they say must be a reflection upon all black people? This is the old, "you are a credit to your race" remark, with a twist. And it is exactly the kind of cultural bias that white people are (obviously) oblivious to! R. ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Global Warming!...President fails to act! Date: 19 Sep 2005 17:20:28 -0700 Carlisle wrote: > Ray, there's no doubt there has been a few degrees of climate change > for the warmer over the past decades. My question is: Is this a > man-made phenomenon or is it a cyclical part of nature? Carrie, I'm glad that you at least admit that global warming is actually happening -despite absolute scientific proof of its existence, some self-styled expert pundits on the issue (invariably Bush apologists and/or political ideologues), like Ben Stein in an article someone had posted here recently, still use rhetoric that insinuates that there is reasonable doubt on that point - there isn't. However you are still well behind the curve here, and I'm suprised that you are asking this question *again* I already answered it for you once in a previous thread. As I had explained to you in that thread, the scientific consensus on global warming is that the Earth has been warming over the past 100 years, and that humanity's greenhouse gas emissions are making a significant contribution. This consensus is summarized by the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's the Third Assessment Report, which that "most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities". Moreover, your question here isn't the most important question in the bigger picture in any event. The important question in the bigger picture is not whether current global warming is mostly man-made, but whether, if current trends continue, *future* (near-term - next 100+ years) global warming will be mostly man-made. And the answer to that question is even more certain than your less-important question - it is the consensus of the atmospheric scientific community that, if current trends continue, future global warming will be mostly man-made. Do you have a background in chemistry, physics, and math, Carrie? If so I refer you also to Seinfeld & Pandis' "Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics: From Air Pollution to Climate Change" - it's the bible on the subject, and the scientific explanation of global warming is laid out in there. Read that and then we can discuss in as much scientific detail as you want as to why, if current trends continue, future global warming will be mostly man-made. > 1000 years ago, > the Earth was alot warmer. No, it wasn't. > Check Greenland. Check this Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change graph of average temperature in the northern hemisphere for the past thousand years: http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/fig2-20.htm Moreover carbon dioxide (the primary greenhose gas) in the atmosphere is now at its highest level in 400,000 years and continues to rise. > This was before cars, > electricity, greenhouse gases, Enron or Halliburton. Per that National Academy of Sciences' 2001 report "Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key Questions": "The changes observed over the last several decades are likely mostly due to human activities." > So before we > implement anything radical and possibly harmful to our economy Taking significant measures to curtail greenhouse gas emissions is more "radical" and more "possibly harmful to our economy" than multi-billion-dollar damages and bailouts after major cities and entire regions of the country are devastated due to rising ocean levels and an increased frequency of category 5 hurricanes? Sheesh. The massive devastation left in Katrina wake -- the worst "natural" disaster (or at the very least the most expensive) in this nation's history -- should provide ample evidence that not addressing global warming is penny wise and pound foolish. Other adverse global warming consequences could also include: increased frequencies of deadly heat waves, drought, and fires, and increased disease (disease-carrying mosquitoes are even now spreading as climate shifts allow them to survive in formerly inhospitable areas). And these are merely some of the more likely global warming conzequences. Did you read the Pentagon's report on the worst-case scenario that I provided the excutive summary and a link to, Carrie? Worldwide devastation and upheaval is a real possibility here. Consider for example this scenario for China (and its neighbors): ________________________ China, with its high need for food supply given its vast population, is hit hard by a decreased reliability of the monsoon rains. Occasional monsoons during the summer season are welcomed for their precipitation, but have devastating effects as they flood generally denuded land. Longer, colder winters and hotter summers caused by decreased evaporative cooling because of reduced precipitation stress already tight energy and water supplies. Widespread famine causes chaos and internal struggles as a cold and hungry China peers jealously across the Russian and western borders at energy resources. __________________________ Yeag - I know, I know - the Pentagon report is only "speculating" here; we don't know "with certainty" that this will happen. True, but 2 points: 1) Even without taking into account the worst-case scenario, as noted above the adverse consequences of unchecked global warming will with much higher likelihood nonetheless still be massively devastating and astrononically expensive. 2) Consider the current terrorist threat, which this Adminstration has focused on with, well, blinders: with that threat, too, we are only "speculating" that there will be another attack - we don't know "with certainty" that such an attack will happen either. But does that mean that we shouldn't prepare for such that possibility? Of course not - providing safety and security in large degree about anticipating and doing what one can to thwart reasonably *possible* serious threats. And the threat of global warming certainly qualifies in that regard. Which is why the Pentagon report concluded that global warming "should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a U.S. national security concern." > I want to know if this is a futile exercise in > controlling nature. 2 points: 1) Given that if current trends continue future global warming will be mostly man-made, the answer here is that no, it would NOT be "a futile exercise." 2) With regards to curtailing greenhouse gas emissions we're not talking about "controlling" nature in any event - we're talking about not continiung to alter and disrupt nature. > That's why I'm listening very closely to scientists with the least > amount of agenda involved as possible. Sorry Carrie, but I'm not buying it. You say that, and you have also claimed to be "watching this issue very closely." However if you were REALLY "watching this issue very closely" and "listening very closely to scientists with the least amount of agenda involved as possible" then you wouldn't be asking these questions - you'd have already known the answers. Ray ____________________ "Nearly all climate scientists today believe that much of Earth's current warming has been caused by increases in the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, mostly from the burning of fossil fuels." - Ralph J. Cicerone, President of the National Academy of Sciences, U.S. Senate testimony, July 21, 2005 ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: (NDC): Head for the mountains! Bush!! Date: 19 Sep 2005 17:25:12 -0700 http://www.nbcsandiego.com/entertainment/4985473/detail.html Son Of Gov. Bush Charged With Public Intoxication POSTED: 5:45 pm PDT September 16, 2005 AUSTIN, Texas -- The youngest son of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has been arrested in Austin, Texas, and charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest. Law enforcement officials also say John Ellis Bush -- who is 21 -- was arrested by agents of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission early Friday in Austin's Sixth Street bar district. Officials say the nephew of President George W. Bush was released on $2,500 bond for the resisting arrest charge, and on a personal recognizance bond for the public intoxication charge. Copyright 2005 by ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: (NDC): Head for the mountains! Bush!! Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:34:50 +0900 On 2005-09-20 09:25:12 +0900, "RickNBarbInSD" said: > http://www.nbcsandiego.com/entertainment/4985473/detail.html > > > > Son Of Gov. Bush Charged With Public Intoxication > > > POSTED: 5:45 pm PDT September 16, 2005 > > AUSTIN, Texas -- The youngest son of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has been > arrested in Austin, Texas, and charged with public intoxication and > resisting arrest. Texas justice: string 'em up by the gonads! oh wait, he's just a 21-year-old of legal age who likes to get fucked up like all of us have (or still do). here's your free "get out of jail" card, son! otoh, he's a Bush, so string 'em up. what to do... -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: 19 Sep 2005 17:37:16 -0700 >This is exactly what I mean when I say the dominant culture >has to change. You would THINK that so many years after >civil right, womens right, that we would feel integrated. Even >today, I can still see and feel the sexism, the bias and the >glass ceilings standing in my way. It's usually the minority >that understands the dominant culture more than they understand >themselves. This just isn't a black issue. Star Parker tends to disagree with many of your assertions... http://www.urbancure.org/dev/pagedetails.asp?SubCatID=161 pv34pv3p(Gotta side with been there done that in this case....) ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:37:50 +0900 On 2005-09-20 07:32:22 +0900, the.stugots@gmail.com said: > For some reason lamenting the loss of my > 'Trouble ahead Jerry in red" shirt > circa 1982-83???? > > Uncle Jerry's Trip Wax > 'The best dead for your head" > pocket T > circa 1989 summer tour.... > > One of the things i miss about the lot scene > was the variety of high quailty, funny, way cool, > and affordable t-shirts ever. > > > -matt "In Phil We Trust," an excellent design with Phil hitting a bomb framed in the center oval of a facetious U.S. currency bank note. Wish someone could recreate it. Also, had a nice Phil Brown dye or two... -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .