From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #332 Dead-Flames Digest #332, Volume #48 Mon, 19 Sep 05 17:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("pv34pv3p") Re: Oh, By the Way...... (DG) A Brother to the North Wrote ("pv34pv3p") Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? (the.stugots@gmail.com) Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? ("DanPopp") Re: weeds (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Oh, By the Way...... ("pv34pv3p") Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: A Brother to the North Wrote ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? (the.stugots@gmail.com) Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? (kpnnews@yahoo.com) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) (Sherry) Re: A Brother to the North Wrote ("pv34pv3p") Re: A Brother to the North Wrote ("sacha") Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? ("marklaw") Re: A Brother to the North Wrote ("pv34pv3p") Re: 10 years ago today ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: Republican Criminals ("pv34pv3p") Re: A Brother to the North Wrote (Cassady Ginsberg) Re: GDTSTOO - Bob Weir and RatDog's Fall Tour (Keith Soltys) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: 19 Sep 2005 15:08:35 -0700 And yet another take from yet another perspective... In Katrina I Didn't See Racism, I Saw Brotherhood by Rabbi Aryeh Spero Posted Sep 7, 2005 In New Orleans, beginning Tuesday morning, August 30, I saw men in helicopters risking their lives to save stranded flood victims from rooftops. The rescuers were White, the stranded Black. I saw Caucasians navigating their small, private boats in violent, swirling, toxic floodwaters to find fellow citizens trapped in their houses. Those they saved were Black. I saw Brotherhood. New York Congressman Charlie Rangel saw Racism. Yes, there are Two Americas. One is the real America, where virtually every White person I know sends money, food or clothes to those in need -- now and in other crises -- regardless of color. This America is colorblind. The other is the America fantasized and manufactured by Charlie Rangel, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, who constantly cry racism! even in situations where it does not exist, even when undeniable images illustrate love, compassion and concern. These three men, together with today's NAACP, want to continue the notion of Racist America. It is their Mantra, their calling card. Their power, money, and continued media appearances depend on it. Often, people caught up in accusing others of sin neglect to undergo their own personal introspection. They begin to think they alone inhabit the moral high ground. It is high time these men peered into their own hearts at the dark chamber that causes this unceasing labeling of their fellow Americans as racist. They may find in that chamber their own racism -- against Whites. There is only one real America. Beginning Friday morning in Houston, thousands of regular citizens poured into the Astrodome offering water, food, clean clothes, personal items, baby diapers and toys, love and even their homes to the evacuees who had been bused in from New Orleans. Most of the givers were White, most of those being helped were Black. But there was Jesse Jackson, busy on TV, accusing the country of not putting Blacks -- i.e., him -- on some type of Commission he is demanding. Where was he early in the week? Not sweating with others from around the country who had scraped their last dollar to come help. With Jesse, its always about Jesse. After decades of hearing accusations from Jesse, Al, Charlie, the NAACP and certain elitists about how racist America is, it would have been refreshing to hear them for once give thanks to those they for years have been maligning. These self-anointed spokesmen for the Black community lead only when it comes to foisting guilt and condemnation, and not when it comes to acknowledging the good in those they have made a career in castigating. As a Rabbi I have a message I wish to offer to my fellow members of the cloth, Reverends Jackson and Sharpton: It is time to do some soul searching. Your continued effort to tear this country apart, even in light of the monumental goodness shown by your White brothers, is a sin. There are no churches in the world like the American churches. And there are no better parishioners and members of churches anywhere in the world. These churches are saving the day. Their members -- infused by the special and singular teachings of our unique American Judeo-Christian understanding of the Bible -- are, at this moment, writing an historic chapter in giving, initiative, and selflessness. They are opening their homes to strangers. They are doing what government is incapable of doing. America works because of its faith-based institutions. It always has. That is what makes it America. So next time the ACLU tries to diminish and marginalize the churches, saying there is no role for religion in American public life, that an impenetrable wall must be erected separating the citizens from their faith, cry out Katrina. Next time the ACLU goes to court asking that U.S. soldiers not be allowed to say Grace in the Mess Hall and that communities be forbidden to set up a nativity scene, ask yourself: without the motivation of Goodness sourced in Faith, would people offer such sacrifice? Where else does this Brotherhood come from but the Bible which teaches "Thou Shall Love Thy Neighbor as Yourself." I saw brotherhood on Fox News, where 24/7 reporters used their perch as a clearing-house for search-and-rescue missions and communication between the stranded and those in position to save. In contrast, the Old-line networks continued with their usual foolish, brain-numbing programming. Those who always preach compassion chose profit over people. The New York Times has utterly failed America. Its columnists could have used their talents and word skills to inspire and unite a nation. Columnists such as Frank Rich and Paul Krugman, however, revealed their true colors by evading their once-in-a-lifetime chance to help and instead chose to divide, condemn, and fuel the fires and poison the waters of Louisiana. In them, I saw no Brotherhood. The newspaper always preaching compassion verifies Shakespeare's "They protest too much." Similar elitists here in the northeast and on the west coast have over the years expressed their view of the South as unsophisticated and Texans as cowboys. Well, the South has come through, especially Houston and other parts of Texas, whereas, as I write this on Labor Day, the limousine moralizers are lying on east and west coast beaches thinking they're doing their part by reading Times editorials and calling George Bush racist. How sanctimonious life becomes when proving you are not a racist depends not on living in a truly integrated neighborhood, but by simply calling others racist. Like so often in history, facts trump platitudes. Reality reigns. Those who always preach brotherhood, thus far have acted devoid of it. Those who for decades have been accused by elitists of not having compassion are the ones living it. They are: the churches, the military, and the sons and daughters of the South. Rabbi Spero is a radio talk show host, a pulpit rabbi, and president of Caucus for America. pv34pv3p ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: Oh, By the Way...... Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:08:05 -0700 grtflmark wrote: > >>grtflmark wrote: > >>>the disaster struck. Glad that's settled. Guess Bush can >retract all those apologies now and rehire Brownie. > > >>....have never implied, nor do I believe that such an action would be >>appropriate - but it SURE as hell would be appropriate to put a few >>heads from the State of Louisiana and City of New Orleans organizations >>and governments on spikes! > > > >>So the feds don't get the spikes? Why? > >........ It's already happened: Brown - who is a "fed" as you call >them What would you call him? >- has already HAD his head put on a spike ---- you're not really >paying attention, are you? I know that Brown quit but there are a few guys above him who should be held accountable as well. ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: A Brother to the North Wrote Date: 19 Sep 2005 15:29:06 -0700 George Bush, the man David Warren The Ottawa Citizen Sunday, September 11, 2005 There's plenty wrong with America, since you asked. I'm tempted to say that the only difference from Canada is that they have a few things right. That would be unfair, of course -- I am often pleased to discover things we still get right. But one of them would not be disaster preparation. If something happened up here, on the scale of Katrina, we wouldn't even have the resources to arrive late. We would be waiting for the Americans to come save us, the same way the government in Louisiana just waved and pointed at Washington, D.C. The theory being that, when you're in real trouble, that's where the adults live. And that isn't an exaggeration. Almost everything that has worked in the recovery operation along the U.S. Gulf Coast has been military and National Guard. Within a few days, under several commands, finally consolidated under the remarkable Lt.-Gen. Russel Honore, it was once again the U.S. military efficiently cobbling together a recovery operation on a scale beyond the capacity of any other earthly institution. We hardly have a military up here. We have elected one feckless government after another that has cut corners until there is nothing substantial left. We don't have the ability even to transport and equip our few soldiers. Should disaster strike at home, on a big scale, we become a Third World country. At which point, our national smugness is of no avail. From Democrats and the American Left -- the U.S. equivalent to the people who run Canada -- we are still hearing that the disaster in New Orleans showed that a heartless, white Republican America had abandoned its underclass. This is garbage. The great majority of those not evacuated lived in assisted housing and receive food stamps, prescription medicine and government support through many other programs. Many have, all their lives, expected someone to lift them to safety, without input from themselves. And the demagogic mayor they elected left, quite literally, hundreds of transit and school buses that could have driven them out of town parked in rows, to be lost in the flood. Yes, that was insensitive. But it is also the truth; and sooner or later we must acknowledge that welfare dependency creates exactly the sort of haplessness and social degeneration we saw on display, as the floodwaters rose. Many suffered terribly, and many died, and one's heart goes out. But already the survivors are being put up in new accommodations, and their various entitlements have been directed to new locations. The scale of private charity has also been unprecedented. There are yet no statistics, but I'll wager the most generous state in the union will prove to have been arch-Republican Texas and that, nationally, contributions in cash and kind are coming disproportionately from people who vote Republican. For the world divides into "the mouths" and "the wallets." The Bush-bashing, both down there and up here, has so far lost touch with reality, as to raise questions about the bashers' state of mind. Consult any authoritative source on how government works in the United States and you will learn that the U.S. federal government's legal, constitutional, and institutional responsibility for first response to Katrina, as to any natural disaster, was zero. Notwithstanding, President Bush took the prescient step of declaring a disaster, in order to begin deploying FEMA and other federal assets, two full days in advance of the stormfall. In the little time since, he has managed to co-ordinate an immense recovery operation -- the largest in human history -- without invoking martial powers. He has been sufficiently presidential to respond, not even once, to the extraordinarily mendacious and childish blame-throwing. One thinks of Kipling's poem If, which I learned to recite as a lad, and mention now in the full knowledge that it drives postmodern leftoids and gliberals to apoplexy -- as anything that is good, beautiful, or true: If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you; If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise Unlike his critics, Bush is a man, in the full sense presented by these verses. A fallible man, like all the rest, but a man. Pv43pv3p ------------------------------ From: the.stugots@gmail.com Subject: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? Date: 19 Sep 2005 15:32:22 -0700 For some reason lamenting the loss of my 'Trouble ahead Jerry in red" shirt circa 1982-83???? Uncle Jerry's Trip Wax 'The best dead for your head" pocket T circa 1989 summer tour.... One of the things i miss about the lot scene was the variety of high quailty, funny, way cool, and affordable t-shirts ever. -matt ------------------------------ From: "DanPopp" Subject: Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? Date: 19 Sep 2005 15:38:27 -0700 Grateful Fred >From Bedrock to Deadrock ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: weeds Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:21:19 -0400 Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > > I have a friends who keeps me updated on TV and what I'm missing out on.... > > Anyone watch Showtime's series called Weeds? > > Then here's the jewel! She just sent me a copy of a show that was on this > past weekend on industrial hemp in USA. I really thought I knew a lot about > hemp until I watched that program. Did anyone else see this? She has the > Dish network and said it was on one other "alternative" channels. http://www.votehemp.org ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: Oh, By the Way...... Date: 19 Sep 2005 15:45:58 -0700 >I know that Brown quit but there are a few guys above him who should >be held accountable as well Let's not forget the rather long list of local officials that qualify for this distinction as well... As the line seems to be drawn between state and federal officials that screwed up, it's Lousiana's turn to offer a pound of flesh... Any nominations??? If so, why? If not??? Why not? pv34pv3p(Jus' keepin' it real...) ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:48:05 GMT wrote in message For some reason lamenting the loss of my 'Trouble ahead Jerry in red" shirt circa 1982-83???? Uncle Jerry's Trip Wax 'The best dead for your head" pocket T circa 1989 summer tour.... One of the things i miss about the lot scene was the variety of high quailty, funny, way cool, and affordable t-shirts ever. -matt *************** I loved the variety of Calvin & HObbes! I never bought a Morning Dew shirt, always wished I had. My favorite was the one with bears in a VW on the front. On the back: Who are the Grateful Dead and why are they following me? ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: A Brother to the North Wrote Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:49:11 GMT where's the Dead content? I hear those brothers to the north grow the best industrial hemp! ------------------------------ From: the.stugots@gmail.com Subject: Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? Date: 19 Sep 2005 15:51:05 -0700 still have my spaceman spliff (calvin) t... ------------------------------ From: kpnnews@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? Date: 19 Sep 2005 16:02:00 -0700 the.stugots@gmail.com wrote: > For some reason lamenting the loss of my I had a Black Sabbath baseball jersey back when I was in junior high. It was a siloette of a shadowy horned Satan with glowing eyes towering over the lake of fire. People were falling through his fingers into hell. I thought it was the coolest thing; in fact I still do. Oh, this is rmgd. I had a cat-in-the-hat in his trippy car that I wore out. I even (badly) dyed it myself. That was a keeper as well. I recently got compliments on a Blue Oyster Cult shirt at the local Wholefoods. The meat counter guy kept (disturbingly) smiling at me. He finally cracked. "Cool shirt man." Yes, yes it is. Kurt ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) From: Sherry Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:05:17 GMT > At this point it shouldn't be that tough for the black community to > integrate themselves. > > The questions isn't does racism still exist: of course it does. The > question is how does the black community overcome it? Racism is not a problem only for people of color - think about it - whites in the US, in dominant power positions created it. The victims of racism have nothing to do with how people choose to treat them based on appearances. Unless *whites* are willing to overcome racism, the black community (also Latino, Asian, etc) *cannot* "overcome racism". In a nutshell, it's to the good of the "white, middle class" to keep the minorities down - who really wants to let "them" have a bigger piece of the pie? Sort of like Smokey the Bear - only YOU can prevent racism. One person at a time. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: A Brother to the North Wrote Date: 19 Sep 2005 16:06:24 -0700 Sorry Rox... Ahemmm...I've heard similar reports... pv34pv3p(More research indica ted...BRB...) ------------------------------ From: "sacha" Subject: Re: A Brother to the North Wrote Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:10:27 -0600 "pv34pv3p" wrote in message news:1127168946.816290.227480@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > George Bush, the man > *BS clipped* We have our share of Bushite apologists here in Canada too. They used to use the oxymoronic name Progressive Conservatives, now they're the simply moronic "Alliance". No hope in hell of forming a Govt here. Patrick -- The best things in life aren't things ------------------------------ From: "marklaw" Subject: Re: Any Tour shirts you wish you still had? Date: 19 Sep 2005 16:23:01 -0700 I actuallly still have my Rolling Stones "Tour of the America's 1975" but it hasn't fit me for at least 20 years. Has a picture of an eagle with jet engines mounted on its wings. Coincidentally, the opening act on this tour was none other than the Eagles. Also have a tee shirt from a Hawkwind tour in 1974. Doesn't fit either. ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: A Brother to the North Wrote Date: 19 Sep 2005 16:26:32 -0700 >No hope in hell of forming a Govt here Or any reasonable discussion here.... pv34pv3p(Half way through the research I promised Rox...) ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: 10 years ago today Date: 19 Sep 2005 16:29:23 -0700 The Iron Muffin wrote: > DB wrote: > > wyeknot wrote: > > > > When they tore the old Garden down, they found > > > a fully decomposed circus monkey up in a vent shaft. > > > > Are you sure that it was not just a very small wookie? > > I love RMGD. IAADCMWWYPII?? Mark ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: Republican Criminals Date: 19 Sep 2005 16:43:47 -0700 >Yo, Schmoe. >If you don't like what I post, don't read it. Subject's responses diminishing in content...however, I'm rubber, your glue syndrome persists... Late Entry: Recurrent Nazi themes suggest yet another underlying condition...Referral to guy with towel around waist that spent the night in a Holiday Inn may be indicated... pv34pv3p ------------------------------ From: Cassady Ginsberg Subject: Re: A Brother to the North Wrote Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:47:20 +0000 (UTC) All this endless talk about how "entitlements" are the real problem in NOLA is to help set the stage for the biggest land grab since the Dawes Act. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Keith Soltys Subject: Re: GDTSTOO - Bob Weir and RatDog's Fall Tour Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:48:46 -0400 Reply-To: ksoltys@-NOSPAM-rogers.com On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:50:58 -0400, "katrinka" wrote: >So soon after the last very successful tour, >Bob Weir and RatDog are hitting the road again >and will play the following shows: > > >Monday, October 31 at The Docks, Toronto, ONT. >Doors open at 8:00 PM. Show time is 9:00 PM. >All ages welcome. General admission. >Mail order tickets are available at US$35.00 per >ticket. Canadian postal money orders can be >obtained in US dollars. > Hey, Toronto again! But The Docks? Ick! I'll go anyway, but I sure wish they'd have gone back to Massey Hall. 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