From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #330 Dead-Flames Digest #330, Volume #48 Mon, 19 Sep 05 11:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Republican Criminals ("Stephen St.") Re: Clinton interviews.. (wyeknot) Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! ("LP") Re: 10 years ago today (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("LP") Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("LP") Re: Republican Criminals (greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com) Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) ("DGDevin") Re: 10 years ago today (Steve Lenier) Re: Republican Criminals ("ck") North Carolinians love their ganja! (ba ba booie) Re: Guitarist's pick their GD songs they would play. (leftie) Re: I love a good Franklins (leftie) Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) (dkhedmo) Re: I love a good Franklins (brew ziggins) Re: I love a good Franklins (DB) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Stuknot") Re: 10 years ago today ("Dave Kelly") Re: I love a good Franklins (leftie) Re: Dicks Pick 10 is Mashing my Potatas! (leftie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:02:21 GMT "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" <> wrote in message At this point it shouldn't be that tough for the black community to integrate themselves. The questions isn't does racism still exist: of course it does. The question is how does the black community overcome it? I think a lot of the current racism is based on the current state of the black community. It isn't fair, but that "new" racism will continue until the black community makes more progress on their own. Family stability is part of that neccesary progress. EGBH *********************** This is exactly what I mean when I say the dominant culture has to change. You would THINK that so many years after civil right, womens right, that we would feel integrated. Even today, I can still see and feel the sexism, the bias and the glass ceilings standing in my way. It's usually the minority that understands the dominant culture more than they understand themselves. This just isn't a black issue. And the picture everyone still has in their mind is that it's the lazy black mama who is using all the welfare entitlements. That picture just isn't true. ------------------------------ From: "Stephen St." Subject: Re: Republican Criminals Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:03:45 GMT "LP" wrote in message news:1127144402.756398.214310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Joe wrote: > > >> Do you really give a flying fuck that I spent Saturday volunteering at >> the >> Coastal Cleanup, picking up trash that visiting brain-damaged Republicans >> tossed out the windows of their gas guzzling SUVs? > > > Marin County is home to plenty of gas guzzling SUVs. That garbage is > likely from your own neighbors there in paradise. Of course it is. ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:03:25 -0400 Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > "wyeknot" < wrote in message ... > brew ziggins wrote: > >>Personally, I didn't mind his philandering so much as the bimbos he >>philandered with. He could have been boffing supermodels and Hollywood >>royalty, but he couldn't get past the trailer trash. > > Supermodels, Hollywood Royalty, and Trailer Trash all rate about the > same in my book. ***** > The sad part is you need to examine your own biases. > You are lumping people into a category based on where > they live and how "back-ass" you assume them to be. > Pretty similar to the evacuees, eh? Roxanne, you are a funny one. So my statement that I find "Supermodels, Hollywood Royalty, and Trailer Trash" equally unattractive was interpretted by you as a massive anti-Clinton, anti-evacuee rant?!?! Are you on drugs? If not, your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking today. Matt ------------------------------ From: "LP" Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: 19 Sep 2005 09:10:25 -0700 Richard Morris wrote: > Of course, these very same people hate Clinton for his moral failings ... so > it seems to be more a case of adjusting one's moral and ethical standards to > one's political alignments. If it is Clinton, he besmirched the highest > office in the land. If Bush ... well, ya know ... nobody's perfect. THANK YOU! These bush apologists have SHORT memories. I skimmed a political newsgroup recently, and the right-wing-nitwits are STILL invoking Clinton' bj in almost every argument. The moral failings of Clinton PALE in comparison to those of the Bush clan. > And, like Joe, I am coming to believe that those who want to come in here > and minimize it all are fuckwits. Not deserving of respect. I third that emotion. LP ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: 10 years ago today Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:52:00 -0400 wyeknot wrote: > > DB wrote: > > wyeknot wrote: > >> When they tore the old Garden down, they found a fully decomposed > >> circus monkey up in a vent shaft. Random factoid. > > > > Are you sure that it was not just a very small wookie? > > There's a difference??? Circus monkeys smell a bit better... ------------------------------ From: "LP" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: 19 Sep 2005 09:31:16 -0700 Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > ************************* > Well said. I heard a very moving story on NPR. It was a Katrina survivor > at the Super Dome. As day 2 rolled around, the old, the young, were all > being asked to line up for the buses (which of course, didn't come). Not > in a polite, organized fashion but in one of disprespect and urgency. > It was hot and hell and they were being forced to line up in the sun, > with no water, no food. > > This woman described the fear that came over her as she started to watch > police, drive right on by. The water trucks that drove right on by. The > help > that never seemed to arrive. Then the national guard began to arrive with > weapons drawn. She believed that this was the end and this was > going to be the way the establishment got rid of her and them. > As everything she had was stripped away, so was her hope that she was > going to be helped.... The scary part Roxanne, is that there are some "people" who would like to have seen that happen. There exists an extreme hatred on both sides of the black & white cultures that feeds those kinds of fears. I hope we can all find the sanity of middle ground. Yet another aspect of music that has made it the central theme of my life: It is one of the places where all colors come together to join in cooperation. Musicians have been able to mingle with musicians of different race/ethnicity without fear - to create something greater together than they can separately. LP ------------------------------ From: "LP" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: 19 Sep 2005 09:33:42 -0700 volkfolk wrote: > (snip).... unless the Jesse Jackson's and the Louis Farrakan's stop > playing the race card everytime that something happens to poor Black people > it won't happen. Quoted for truth! LP ------------------------------ From: greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Republican Criminals Date: 19 Sep 2005 09:47:42 -0700 JimK wrote: > On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:43:10 +0900, "band beyond description" > <123@456.com> wrote: > > >isn't that thread title an oxymoron? > > No, but it is redundant. > > JimK A harsh inaccurate generalization might be a better description. If all the Democrats are perfect and all the Republicans are imperfect then perhaps it would improve the situation if some of the perfect people joined the imperfect party to help improve it. .. ------------------------------ From: "DGDevin" Subject: Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:53:46 GMT "brew ziggins" wrote in message news:MPG.1d98a0f13aadb1309897d8@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu... > > 'Deadwood' lost to 'Lost' and Ian McShane didn't win the Best Actor > (Drama) Emmy. > > What a crock of shit, the cocksucking hoopleheads at the ATAS completely > missed the point of the whole fucking conversation. Post of the week, no question. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:56:52 -0700 Subject: Re: 10 years ago today From: Steve Lenier in article 1127132112.975484.216200@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, Rogues Island's finest at mthitch@aol.com wrote on 9/19/05 5:15 AM: > The tickets I have framed over my desk would have been used to see the > Grateful Dead play their last show at the Boston Garden. > > sigh. > > Mark > Do they have the little Jerry stamped on the back, which GDTS did for anyone getting a refund on those previously issued tix? My Devore tix have that. And I still have my Shoreline envelope which was returned unopened. sigh. Steve ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: Republican Criminals Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:08:22 -0400 wrote in message news:1127148462.692413.257580@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > JimK wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:43:10 +0900, "band beyond description" > > <123@456.com> wrote: > > > > >isn't that thread title an oxymoron? > > > > No, but it is redundant. > > > > JimK > > A harsh inaccurate generalization might be a better description. > > If all the Democrats are perfect and all the > Republicans are imperfect then perhaps it would > improve the situation if some of the perfect people > joined the imperfect party to help improve it. > > . > when you throw clean laundry in with dirty does it make the dirty laundry clean? ------------------------------ From: Jazare@webtv.net (ba ba booie) Subject: North Carolinians love their ganja! Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:07:14 -0400 North Carolinians love their ganja! Authorities discover huge marijuana farm WALLACE, N.C. -- Authorities have discovered a 10- to 15-acre pot farm near Wallace, valued in the millions of dollars and considered the area's biggest marijuana bust in recent memory. "I don't recall a bust this big in southeastern North Carolina in my time," said Sheriff Blake Wallace, who worked for the State Bureau of Investigation for 11 years before he became the Duplin County sheriff in 2002. The marijuana recovered Sunday morning, which weighed in at 4,160 pounds, has a street value of about $9.9 million, Wallace said, adding that the numbers were likely to increase as deputies continue their recovery work on Monday.No arrests had been made as of late Sunday. The bust was the result of an ongoing investigation and a tip from a citizen who called the sheriff office late Saturday evening. Deputies went to the location about 2 a.m. Sunday and said they found themselves in fields of pot plants, some as tall as 13 feet. Deputies found three huts where someone had lived, probably those tending the pot fields, Wallace said. "We found sleeping bags, cook tops, cell phone chargers and chemicals to keep insects and deer away from the plants," he said. Ownership of the land was not known late Sunday. "We are hoping to get higher up in the organization than just those who tended these plants," Wallace said. "Anytime you can get this amount of dope off the street it's a big day for us." bbb wrote: ***Deputies went to the location about 2 a.m. Sunday and said they found themselves in fields of pot plants, some as tall as 13 feet.*** bbb wrote: booie bowing his head in silence : ( .. .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. Pollstar (the concert hotwire) http://pollstar.com ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: Guitarist's pick their GD songs they would play. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:20:52 -0700 The Iron Muffin wrote: > ba ba booie wrote: > > > >>Keller Williams was quoted as saying: because they are all >>wrapped up together to be my favorite Dead song that I know >>and I can play them blindfolded with one leg tied behind my >>back while hanging by the other leg upside down on acid. >> >>Fucking show off! >>I betcha he can play them all. >>I am jealous. > > > Bird Song > Scarlet>Fire > Brown Eyed Woman > Eyes of the World > Jack Straw > Stranger > Help > Slipknot > Franklin's Tower > St.Steven > The Eleven > Candy Man > High Time > Black Peter > Loser > So Many Roads > Dire Wolf > Till the Morning Comes > Looks Like Rain > Box of Rain > > Ya don't have to be Keller to know all these tunes, booie. > > Hell, *I* can play all but three of them...and that's due solely > to a lack of interest (Till The Morning Comes, So Many Roads) > or sheer laziness (Slipknot!). Yeah, but can you play them this way: "blindfolded with one leg tied behind my back while hanging by the other leg upside down on acid?" If so, will you please upload video proof, asap? ;-) ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: I love a good Franklins Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:23:50 -0700 brew ziggins wrote: > Thus spake DFspamoffskiBayne@aol.com... > >>brew ziggins wrote: >> >>>Favorite In Person Franklins - 4/12/83 It was one of those moments where >>>everybody in the hall (Broome County Arena, Binghamton NY) was on >>>EXACTLY the same wavelength, and a very happy one it was. Preceded by a >>>very deep, incisive Slipknot! >> >>Charlie Miller has just remastered the Binghamton show and it is a huge >>upgrade over the prior circulated SBD source. > > > Anybody care to hook a bandwidth challenged fella up? "Bandwidth challenged?" You? Does this mean you have left Cornell? ------------------------------ From: dkhedmo Subject: Re: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:26:15 GMT brew ziggins wrote: > 'Deadwood' lost to 'Lost' and Ian McShane didn't win the Best Actor > (Drama) Emmy. > > What a crock of shit, the cocksucking hoopleheads at the ATAS completely > missed the point of the whole fucking conversation. > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/09/19/EMMYS.TMP&nl=top THE 57TH ANNUAL EMMY AWARDS / TV's so much fun -- why are awards always so dreary? ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: I love a good Franklins Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:29:00 -0400 Thus spake no@spam.com... > brew ziggins wrote: > > > Thus spake DFspamoffskiBayne@aol.com... > > > >>brew ziggins wrote: > >> > >>>Favorite In Person Franklins - 4/12/83 It was one of those moments where > >>>everybody in the hall (Broome County Arena, Binghamton NY) was on > >>>EXACTLY the same wavelength, and a very happy one it was. Preceded by a > >>>very deep, incisive Slipknot! > >> > >>Charlie Miller has just remastered the Binghamton show and it is a huge > >>upgrade over the prior circulated SBD source. > > > > > > Anybody care to hook a bandwidth challenged fella up? > > "Bandwidth challenged?" You? Does this mean you have left Cornell? The Cornell Network Nazis, both central and departmental, have been policing the hell out of the networks the last year and a half or so. My David Torn FTP server was shut down with extreme predjudice, and if I siphon more than a 100 megs from off campus in a single day, I get a visit from the desktop support toadie. :-( -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: DB Subject: Re: I love a good Franklins Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:28:31 -0400 brew ziggins wrote: > Thus spake DFspamoffskiBayne@aol.com... > >>brew ziggins wrote: >> >>>Favorite In Person Franklins - 4/12/83 It was one of those moments where >>>everybody in the hall (Broome County Arena, Binghamton NY) was on >>>EXACTLY the same wavelength, and a very happy one it was. Preceded by a >>>very deep, incisive Slipknot! >> >>Charlie Miller has just remastered the Binghamton show and it is a huge >>upgrade over the prior circulated SBD source. > > > Anybody care to hook a bandwidth challenged fella up? I e-mailed you off the list at the above gmail address. DB ------------------------------ From: "Stuknot" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: 19 Sep 2005 10:42:12 -0700 volkfolk wrote: > "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message > news:1mHWe.922$gK.322@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net... > > > > "Stuknot" <> wrote in message ... > > > > I found it offensive. > > > > John H. > > **************** > > I did too. > > Unfortunately, I think that there is way more than a grain of truth. Forty > years of "giving" people handouts instead of a hand up, has resulted in > innercity poor that have no skills, no future and no hope. Why is that Asian > immigrants come to this country and within a generation have children who > are valedictorians in their High School and at the same time three or more > generations of African American's where the men are in jail or just plain > missing and the girls are pregnant at 14? > > I will tell you why, culture. The welfare state has created the problem, It > is the old cliche' "Give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to > fish, he eats for life:" > > So while you may find it offensive, I think it hits on some essential > truths > I don't deny that the author may accidentally have said one or two things that made sense about entitlement. Even a broke clock, etc. The problem is the assumption that the people of New Orleans acted any differently as a group than any other large group in any other area would act when literally everything has stopped functioning. In New Orleans everything we take for granted in the 21st century went missing in a matter of hours. So what happened? Some people turned to crime and looting, some withdrew, some acted to save themselves and some acted to help their neighbors as best they could. There's nothing about the "welfare state" that explains the situation, it's what people from any group do under extreme pressure. This bozo, however, because he's an "objectivist intellectual" (an objectivist follows the philosophy of Ayn Rand, author of "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead") decided that if faced with this kind of tragedy, his kind of people would all pull together and create a heroic paradise like the one where all the creative tycoons go in "Atlas Shrugged." Because his strong-willed, self-sufficient heroes weren't there to tend them, the people of New Orleans were left in the hell the welfare state created, with looting and crime and probably rutting in the streets like animals because compared with his type of folks, those welfare recipients are a lower form of human with no values or morals. It's simplistic bullshit. I'd be willing to bet that the percentages will work out roughly the same here in Orange County when the big one hits if we suddenly lose everything. There will be some looting and crime, some people will break from the strain, most will simply huddle somewhere waiting for help, and some people will perform quiet acts of heroism. John H. ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: 10 years ago today Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:48:24 GMT "Rogues Island's finest" wrote in message news:1127132112.975484.216200@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > The tickets I have framed over my desk would have been used to see the > Grateful Dead play their last show at the Boston Garden. > > sigh. > > Mark * Stop playing, Nantucket...you have NO desk! ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: I love a good Franklins Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:50:12 -0700 brew ziggins wrote: > The Cornell Network Nazis, both central and departmental, have been > policing the hell out of the networks the last year and a half or so. My > David Torn FTP server was shut down with extreme predjudice, and if I > siphon more than a 100 megs from off campus in a single day, I get a > visit from the desktop support toadie. > > :-( The bastards! ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: Dicks Pick 10 is Mashing my Potatas! Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:53:29 -0700 Dave Kelly wrote: > "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote: > >>Sounds like a real pickle there Double D > > Rocky > Could you do me a favour?....never....let me repeat myself, > NEVER! use the terminology "Double D" when refering > to me on this chatgroup! > I've got enough problems. > Capeesh. I thought Hunter was refering to you when he wrote of a "Double E waterfall." And that Dylan was refering to you when he wrote of the brakeman "chasing down the Double E." ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .