From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #329 Dead-Flames Digest #329, Volume #48 Mon, 19 Sep 05 09:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: Oh, By the Way...... ("The Iron Muffin") Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! (Joe) Re: I love a good Franklins (brew ziggins) HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) (brew ziggins) Re: Guitarist's pick their GD songs they would play. ("The Iron Muffin") Re: Clinton interviews.. ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Republican Criminals ("LP") Re: Los Hombres Calientes in Raleigh Last Night (kpnnews@yahoo.com) Re: DEW plates ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: 10 years ago today ("The Iron Muffin") Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("Carlisle") Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! (ba ba booie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:13:46 -0700 "neurodancer" wrote in message news:1127139745.100379.282270@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Richard Morris wrote: >> "Neil X." wrote in message >> news:1126924052.223277.161580@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> > >> >> Dave Kelly wrote: >> >> >> >> * From the reports I've been getting from Boston....the ONLY thing you >> >> been able to keep straight is the thong >> > >> > >> > That reminds me, I was at a genomics convention this week, saw >> > something I'd never seen before. There was an actual hooker at a >> > science meeting. I mean, she was just sitting at one of the tables set >> > up near the free coffee, cruising for nerds, wearing three inch >> > mini-skirt and five inch heels. She was one bored and >> > disappointed-looking businesswoman. Molecular biologists aren't >> > exactly famous for their "Whataever Happens in Vegas" attitudes. There >> > might actually be a book in this tale--"The Lonely Hooker." Actually, >> > more like a video, and not one you could get at Blockbuster........ >> >> She was just looking for donations of genetic material. All well within >> the >> spirit and intent of the convention. >> >> By the way, just wut *do* molecular biologists go to conventions for? >> >> R. > To get hammered and chase hookers, just like everybody else. They're > human too you know. Whenever there was a big computer geek or scientist convention in Vegas, the local papers always ran stories about how they don't go to shows, tip anyone, drink much, or chase hookers, and how their presence took up rooms that could have been used by people looking to party and spend money. They usually interviewed some call girl to back up their point. EGBH ------------------------------ Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Subject: Re: Oh, By the Way...... Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:21:22 -0400 Hateful Narc wrote: Oh, by the way: You're a douchebag. -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: 19 Sep 2005 15:14:50 GMT Schmoe wrote: > Well, it's certainly protected speech. Silly thing about that line is > that the people killing Iraqi babies are other Iraqis, not Americans. So, what exactly are those 150,000 American killing-machine soldiers doing in Iraq? Surely, they can't all be torturing Iraqis at Abu Ghraib, can they? But, wait; first things first... Why, when I post about Bush or Iraq, is it off-topic, but when you post about Bush or Iraq, it isn't? Joe ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: I love a good Franklins Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:16:15 -0400 Thus spake DFspamoffskiBayne@aol.com... > brew ziggins wrote: > > Favorite In Person Franklins - 4/12/83 It was one of those moments where > > everybody in the hall (Broome County Arena, Binghamton NY) was on > > EXACTLY the same wavelength, and a very happy one it was. Preceded by a > > very deep, incisive Slipknot! > > Charlie Miller has just remastered the Binghamton show and it is a huge > upgrade over the prior circulated SBD source. Anybody care to hook a bandwidth challenged fella up? -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!! (ndc) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:19:05 -0400 'Deadwood' lost to 'Lost' and Ian McShane didn't win the Best Actor (Drama) Emmy. What a crock of shit, the cocksucking hoopleheads at the ATAS completely missed the point of the whole fucking conversation. -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Subject: Re: Guitarist's pick their GD songs they would play. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:41:14 -0400 ba ba booie wrote: > Keller Williams was quoted as saying: because they are all > wrapped up together to be my favorite Dead song that I know > and I can play them blindfolded with one leg tied behind my > back while hanging by the other leg upside down on acid. > > Fucking show off! > I betcha he can play them all. > I am jealous. Bird Song Scarlet>Fire Brown Eyed Woman Eyes of the World Jack Straw Stranger Help Slipknot Franklin's Tower St.Steven The Eleven Candy Man High Time Black Peter Loser So Many Roads Dire Wolf Till the Morning Comes Looks Like Rain Box of Rain Ya don't have to be Keller to know all these tunes, booie. Hell, *I* can play all but three of them...and that's due solely to a lack of interest (Till The Morning Comes, So Many Roads) or sheer laziness (Slipknot!). -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:38:31 GMT "wyeknot" < wrote in message ... brew ziggins wrote: > Personally, I didn't mind his philandering so much as the bimbos he > philandered with. He could have been boffing supermodels and Hollywood > royalty, but he couldn't get past the trailer trash. Supermodels, Hollywood Royalty, and Trailer Trash all rate about the same in my book. Matt *********************************** Matt you need to watch The Hunting For The President. This "trailer trash" image was choreographed and YOU bought into it. I think you're the sucker. Unfortunately, most people in America are like you. They sit in their Lazy Boy and flip through cable news and will buy into any ole propaganda. To me, that's trailer trash. Spoon fed propaganda. Besides, how many people from Arkansas go on to be a Rhodes Scholar? It's obvious, Clinton STILL reads books! The sad part is you need to examine your own biases. You are lumping people into a category based on where they live and how "back-ass" you assume them to be. Pretty similar to the evacuees, eh? ------------------------------ From: "LP" Subject: Re: Republican Criminals Date: 19 Sep 2005 08:40:02 -0700 Joe wrote: > Do you really give a flying fuck that I spent Saturday volunteering at the > Coastal Cleanup, picking up trash that visiting brain-damaged Republicans > tossed out the windows of their gas guzzling SUVs? Marin County is home to plenty of gas guzzling SUVs. That garbage is likely from your own neighbors there in paradise. ------------------------------ From: kpnnews@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Los Hombres Calientes in Raleigh Last Night Date: 19 Sep 2005 08:41:28 -0700 Mizshely wrote: > I love these guys. I saw them five years ago at the Boom Boom Room in > San Francisco. Is Jason Marsalis still with them? He was a hoot and a > great drummer. Jason hasn't been with them for a while. Their new drummer is a Batiste offspring. I am not sure how related and to whom. He was 23 yo and looked like he was 16. He was pretty good. The trombone player stole the show when he soloed over the processional part of Just a Closer Walk. He took two turns because there was no stopping him. Kurt ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: DEW plates Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:45:50 GMT "The Iron Muffin" <.> wrote in message Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > Sherry wrote: > > Oh come on now, Muffin. Aren't you paying attention? > > Yeah, really. Otherwise, she just might paint a scenic cow > on your ass! .... I'd say something about a moose, but it would probably lead to a bunch of heiney sex jokes. -- Yeah.... so? :') ------------------------------ Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Subject: Re: 10 years ago today Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:55:04 -0400 DB wrote: > wyeknot wrote: > > When they tore the old Garden down, they found > > a fully decomposed circus monkey up in a vent shaft. > > Are you sure that it was not just a very small wookie? I love RMGD. -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 19 Sep 2005 08:50:14 -0700 Ray wrote: > pv34pv3p wrote: > > Gotta go.... > > This, from a guy who had characterized those who had disagreed with him > in this thread as "retreating" - LOL. > > > But just so things don't get stale before I get back.... > > < Deluge of cut-and-paste thrown out during PV's retreat & evading > actual discussion the issues snipped > > > Hey PV: while you are away you might want to bone up on "that global > warming shit" so that you can actually discuss the issue, as opposed to > rhetorically discounting it and then retreating and running away when > someone calls you on it. > > To get you started I recommend the 2003 Pentagon report on the subject > that concluded, amongst other things: > > "There is substantial evidence to indicate that significant global > warming will occur during the 21st century... because of the > potentially dire consequences, the risk of abrupt climate change, > although uncertain and quite possibly small, should be elevated beyond > a scientific debate to a U.S. national security concern." > > http://www.ems.org/climate/pentagon_climate_change.html > > I've appended the report's executive summary at the end of this post. > [1] > > And if you have a scientific background, I recommend Seinfeld & Pandis' > "Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics: From Air Pollution to Climate > Change" - as anyone with an atmospheric science background will tell > you, it's the bible on the subject. Here's an excerpt from the > introduction: > > "Evidence is mounting [that] 'greenhouse gases' [have] the potential to > lead to an increase in the earth's temperature by several degrees > Celsius... [which] could create dramatic changes in climatic extremes." > > This highly authoritive textbook then goes into complete detail about > the atmospheric chemistry and physics involved - which is undisputed by > the vast majority of the atmospheric science community. (However many > conservative and libertarian ideologues without an atmospheric science > background discount as much as possible this scientific consensus re- > global warming - #gee I wonder why#.) > > HTH, > Ray > > > _______________________ > > "[Global warming is] the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American > people," > - Senator James Inhofe (R-Oklahoma) > > > [1] > _______________________ > > An Abrupt Climate Change Scenario and Its Implications for United > States National Security > > October 2003 > > By Peter Schwartz and Doug Randall > > Imagining the Unthinkable > > The purpose of this report is to imagine the unthinkable - to push > the boundaries of current research on climate change so we may better > understand the potential implications on United States national > security. > > We have interviewed leading climate change scientists, conducted > additional research, and reviewed several iterations of the scenario > with these experts. The scientists support this project, but caution > that the scenario depicted is extreme in two fundamental ways. First, > they suggest the occurrences we outline would most likely happen in a > few regions, rather than on globally. Second, they say the magnitude of > the event may be considerably smaller. > > We have created a climate change scenario that although not the most > likely, is plausible, and would challenge United States national > security in ways that should be considered immediately. > > Executive Summary > > There is substantial evidence to indicate that significant global > warming will occur during the 21st century. Because changes have been > gradual so far, and are projected to be similarly gradual in the > future, the effects of global warming have the potential to be > manageable for most nations. Recent research, however, suggests that > there is a possibility that this gradual global warming could lead to a > relatively abrupt slowing of the ocean's thermohaline conveyor, which > could lead to harsher winter weather conditions, sharply reduced soil > moisture, and more intense winds in certain regions that currently > provide a significant fraction of the world's food production. With > inadequate preparation, the result could be a significant drop in the > human carrying capacity of the Earth's environment. > > The research suggests that once temperature rises above some threshold, > adverse weather conditions could develop relatively abruptly, with > persistent changes in the atmospheric circulation causing drops in some > regions of 5-10 degrees Fahrenheit in a single decade. Paleoclimatic > evidence suggests that altered climatic patterns could last for as much > as a century, as they did when the ocean conveyor collapsed 8,200 years > ago, or, at the extreme, could last as long as 1,000 years as they did > during the Younger Dryas, which began about 12,700 years ago. > > In this report, as an alternative to the scenarios of gradual climatic > warming that are so common, we outline an abrupt climate change > scenario patterned after the 100-year event that occurred about 8,200 > years ago. This abrupt change scenario is characterized by the > following conditions: > > =B7 Annual average temperatures drop by up to 5 degrees Fahrenheit over > Asia and North America and 6 degrees Fahrenheit in northern Europe > > =B7 Annual average temperatures increase by up to 4 degrees Fahrenheit > in key areas throughout Australia, South America, and southern Africa. > > =B7 Drought persists for most of the decade in critical agricultural > regions and in the water resource regions for major population centers > in Europe and eastern North America. > > =B7 Winter storms and winds intensify, amplifying the impacts of the > changes. Western Europe and the North Pacific experience enhanced > winds. > > The report explores how such an abrupt climate change scenario could > potentially de-stabilize the geo-political environment, leading to > skirmishes, battles, and even war due to resource constraints such as: > > 1) Food shortages due to decreases in net global agricultural > production > > 2) Decreased availability and quality of fresh water in key regions due > to shifted precipitation patters, causing more frequent floods and > droughts > > 3) Disrupted access to energy supplies due to extensive sea ice and > storminess > > As global and local carrying capacities are reduced, tensions could > mount around the world, leading to two fundamental strategies: > defensive and offensive. Nations with the resources to do so may build > virtual fortresses around their countries, preserving esources for > themselves. Less fortunate nations especially those with ancient > enmities with their neighbors, may initiate in struggles for access to > food, clean water, or energy. Unlikely alliances could be formed as > defense priorities shift and the goal is resources for survival rather > than religion, ideology, or national honor. > > This scenario poses new challenges for the United States, and suggests > several steps to be taken: > > =B7 Improve predictive climate models to allow investigation of a wider > range of > scenarios and to anticipate how and where changes could occur > > =B7 Assemble comprehensive predictive models of the potential impacts of > abrupt > climate change to improve projections of how climate could influence > food, > water, and energy > > =B7 Create vulnerability metrics to anticipate which countries are most > vulnerable > to climate change and therefore, could contribute materially to an > increasingly > disorderly and potentially violent world. > Abrupt Climate Change 3 > > =B7 Identify no-regrets strategies such as enhancing capabilities for > water > management > > =B7 Rehearse adaptive responses > > =B7 Explore local implications > > =B7 Explore geo-engineering options that control the climate. > > There are some indications today that global warming has reached the > threshold where the thermohaline circulation could start to be > significantly impacted. These indications include observations > documenting that the North Atlantic is increasingly being freshened by > melting glaciers, increased precipitation, and fresh water runoff > making it substantially less salty over the past 40 years. > > This report suggests that, because of the potentially dire > consequences, the risk of abrupt climate change, although uncertain and > quite possibly small, should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to > a U.S. national security concern. > > --- > http://www.ems.org/climate/exec_pentagon_climatechange.pdf Ray, there's no doubt there has been a few degrees of climate change for the warmer over the past decades. My question is: Is this a man-made phenomenon or is it a cyclical part of nature? 1000 years ago, the Earth was alot warmer. Check Greenland. This was before cars, electricity, greenhouse gases, Enron or Halliburton. So before we implement anything radical and possibly harmful to our economy (ie. the Kyoto Protocol), I want to know if this is a futile exercise in controlling nature. That's why I'm listening very closely to scientists with the least amount of agenda involved as possible. Because the cost of "reducing the Earth's temperatures" would have enormous consequences (even if you could get all countries to comply)..and is it even feasible? Maybe the weather isn't Bush's fault after all. Just a thought. All Things Considered. peace, carrie ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:52:58 GMT "JimK" > wrote in message ... "volkfolk" wrote: > >I don't disagree with this premise, but I think most successful people, no >matter what their race, don't spend a whole lot of time dwelling on >obstacles or feeling sorry for themselves. While I agree that historically >Black people's opportunities were limited by their skin color, I don't >believe that is true today. Economics are the biggest factor in anyones >success, not race. If you really believe this, you're kidding yourself. There may be less racial discrimination against blacks these days, but it's still out there and it's still going strong. It's just not as out in the open as it once was. And you really can't separate economics from race. The latter has a profound effect on the former. JimK ********************* Good points all around. Race wasn't an issue in why we went to Iraq to "expand our union" economics was. But don't think that race won't be used to "keep people in their place." ------------------------------ From: Jazare@webtv.net (ba ba booie) Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:40:12 -0400 The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! ba_ba_b00ie@webtv.net (ba=A0ba=A0booie) wrote: AUSTIN, Texas - The youngest son of Florida Governor Jeb Bush was arrested early Friday and charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest, law enforcement officials said. John Ellis Bush, 21 was released on $2,500 bond for the resisting arrest charge, and on a personal recognizance bond for the public intoxication charge, officials said. jjh1102us@yahoo.com (Brad=A0Greer) wrote: booie wants to take Jeb and GWB to task for not controlling their kids bbb wrote: Their (the Bush clan) track record does not look to good. (Brad=A0Greer) wrote: - I don't think they're doing all that much differently from most other parents. bbb wrote: Maybe, maybe not? (Brad=A0Greer) wrote: Kids like to get fucked up, it's just part of the deal for most of them. bbb wrote: Yeah this is the part I have a problem with. I don't mind if people get fucked up, it's when you bring it into a public place that I have a problem with it. I personally don't hang with peole like that. Then you might have to deal with them person to person or car to car. My must people get drunk in public? Is that fun? ; ) maybe, maybe not? But that is not even really the stickler in this situation. The little fart resisted arrest. He was probably screaming out in a drunken horse voice saying: I'M JEB BUSH'S SON, WHY ARE YOU ARRESTING ME YOU FUCKING PIG!!! LEAVE THE THE FUCK ALONE YOU RED NECK, WHITE PICK-UP DRIVING TEXONIAN !!! It's the resisting arrest that has me wondering??? A good drunk goes away peacefully. A bad drunk resists arrests and puts up a fight. I am sure you have seen these 2 types of drunks out there. I am sure there are more types of drunks out there. The pass out drunks, the LOUD and OBNOXIOUS drunks, the think they know everything drunks, the sluts that are drunk, etc...... I know a few like that. Then there is the quiet drunk that likes to catch a buzz and still be in tact to be in control of their actions and not to resist arrest! I can see John Ellis Bush being one of the later. Just buy typing this kids name again, I just realized where he got his name from. JEB =3D John Ellis Bush Oh brother...... booie........ .. .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. 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