From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #326 Dead-Flames Digest #326, Volume #48 Sun, 18 Sep 05 21:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: Clinton interviews.. (DG) Re: Waters admits Darkside / Wizard of Oz connection? ("Dave Kelly") Re: Republican Criminals ("Schmoe") Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... ("grtflmark") Re: Republican Criminals (Joe) Re: Michael Moore Letter of 9-14-05 (NDC) ("imsjry") Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) (JimK) Re: Clinton interviews.. (Tim Donohoe) Re: Clinton interviews.. (Tim Donohoe) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) (JimK) Re: Clinton interviews.. ("Richard Morris") Re: Republican Criminals (JimK) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Carlisle") Re: information on candace brightman...? ("Sparky the Wonder Dog") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DG Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:19:08 -0700 ck wrote: > >DG wrote > >> "ck" wrote: >> > >> > >> > going in reverse the impeachemnt was fro committing purjory before a >grand >> >jury investigating him on sexual harrassment charges. Purjoury whomever >you >> >are is a felony . >> >> >> Slow down... I can only imagine the froth coming from your mouth... >> >> >> >The linking of his affair with ms. lewinski with the >> >impeachment is bogus and had nothing to do with the impeachment which >was >> >only about his felony purjory during his testamony in the case of his >> >sexual harrasment of Paula Jones. >> >> This is a non issue for me. > > That speaks volumes about your character. That the governor of Arkansas >sexually abused his subordinates then lied about it under oath when he was >by one of them sued is a non issue. No wonder you like the bastard. I never lived in Arkansas and don't believe the hype. He was an excellent president. >> > The fact that his starting a war for no good reason which ultimately left >> >terrorist thugs with more land and power than they had previosly hasn't >> >been raging thru the news or triggered a congressional hearing doesn't >> >make it an any less regretable decision he did not have to make.While it >> >may not have cost us as much as Iraq is it sure cost some innocent >Bosnian >> >serbs alot. >> >> >> Problem is you have to deal with people. It's not as if Bush has made >> any major progress in the war on "Terra". Osama runs free. Zarqawi >> hits US troops and Iraqi civilians almost every day. The "insurgency" >> in Iraq is growing stronger. >> > > >Change the topic much?Because islamofascists are on a rampage in Iraq >,Clinton's criminal war in Bosnia can be forgotten? Who asked you to forget? What's wrong with comparing/contrasting presidents to see if "Clinton served us well"? >The guy is an ethical >cesspool you can have him. I wish we could have him as President again. >> > Clinton apointed Reno to head Justice and chose his FBI head. They reflect >> >his values and toed his lines.To suggest the responsible departments >> >function in isolation from the executive is i think you'll admit a >> >strech.Clintons overall world view which viewed Our superior position in >> >the world as somehow fundementally unjust to the rest of the world made it >> >possible for the lax security environments allowing these thefts. >> >> >> What do you say about outing a CIA agent? Nothing to say about outing a CIA agent, eh? >> What return do you see on our $300 billion "investment" in the Iraq >> war? > >After seeing some of the evidence of Hussein's atrocities merely bringing >him down is pay enough. Spend $300 billion to do a job that should have cost mere millions? Seems you are one with bushie... >If Iraq's liberation generates enough of a desire >for freedom from islamic fudementalists in the greater mideast it will be >worth it all. So in other words, there is no real payoff. This is pie in the sky bullshit. The country is in civil war. >> >It may >> >have been China would have eventually cought up in the areas our pilfered >> >plans permitted but i for one don't like the idea under his watch they >> >leapt ahead a few dozen years and can now make good on their threats to >> >nuke california. Thank God i live on the east coast. >> >> >> How about using the shift key and work on your spelling? You did much better this post. ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: Waters admits Darkside / Wizard of Oz connection? Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:38:02 GMT "Brett" wrote in message > TYPICAL "TEAM MEISNER" DAY: > > Brett Meisner arrives at Dave Kelly's Apartment and knocks on the > door. * Goddamn...aint you kids learned NOTHIN' yet? All these years of internet pranks, and you get taken by a relative novice to the game? Rule #1...NEVER take the game (or yourself ) too seriously. Looks like the troll got trolled. You disappoint me, my friends. Sweetbac Productions ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Schmoe" From: "Schmoe" Subject: Re: Republican Criminals Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:27:19 -0400 Joe wrote: > Schmoe wrote: > >> Get involved where it counts (not here). Protest, organize protests, >> run for office, support non-partison politicians in their bid for >> office, donate funds to organizations with viable efforts to create >> change. > > Yo, Mister-Know-It-All. > > Who says I don't already do what you suggest I do? I say unless you'd care to prove otherwise. Otherwise, why not just quit whining since it just makes you appear to be a pest. Those who truly care don't whine. FWIW, I am far from a conservative but before I'd rant about something and take up off-topic bandwidth in usenet, I'd do something about it first. ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... Date: 18 Sep 2005 18:33:35 -0700 Ron wrote: > Hey Mark, don't let the left-wing loonies get ya down. DNB at the > sweetwater should be fun. I wish I was able to get up there for the > show, I'd buy ya a beer, from one RWNWDH to another. > > Peace, > > Ron ...... thanks, Ron - but Joe has already promised to buy me one - God Bless Him!! I was so moved when he made the offer - that I broke into song and said: "I can tell by your coat and your tie, That you're an American, well - so am I!! Hi, bub - Howdy!! How do you DO?!! And while we're on the subject, and while we're on the subjecT - and while we're on the subject: HOW'S THE 'OL WAZOO?!!" ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Republican Criminals Date: 19 Sep 2005 02:08:24 GMT Schmoe wrote: > I say unless you'd care to prove otherwise. Otherwise, why not just quit > whining since it just makes you appear to be a pest. Those who truly care > don't whine. FWIW, I am far from a conservative but before I'd rant about > something and take up off-topic bandwidth in usenet, I'd do something about > it first. Prove what, and to whom? Do you really give a flying fuck that I spent Saturday volunteering at the Coastal Cleanup, picking up trash that visiting brain-damaged Republicans tossed out the windows of their gas guzzling SUVs? So, what do YOU do besides get all uppity on Usenet and pass judgement on those you've never met? Do you offer free CDs or DVDs to your rmgd brethren? Well, I do, so STFU. Joe ------------------------------ From: "imsjry" Subject: Re: Michael Moore Letter of 9-14-05 (NDC) Date: 18 Sep 2005 19:36:15 -0700 volkfolk wrote: > "imsjry" wrote in message > news:1126789756.988016.210290@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > > > > Jethro Q. Walrustitty wrote: > >> Fuck him and eveyone who looks like him... > > > > Yeah, how dare he try to help those poor people? Isn't that what the > > government is for? And that whole stopping the war bullshit? What a > > dick.. > > Michael Moore is a publicity hound. He is an arrogant, self centered moron > who is all about marketing Michael Moore Really now!? So he just does all this "helping people" shit to get on TV? And I thought maybe he actually cared for others. How stupid of me. Thanks for clearing that up... ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:40:03 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:29:36 -0700, "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" wrote: > >"volkfolk" wrote in message >news:qrydnQg1YZCC6bDeRVn-jg@comcast.com... >> >> "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message >> news:1mHWe.922$gK.322@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net... >>> >>> "Stuknot" <> wrote in message ... >>> >>> I found it offensive. >>> >>> John H. >>> **************** >>> I did too. >> >> Unfortunately, I think that there is way more than a grain of truth. Forty >> years of "giving" people handouts instead of a hand up, has resulted in >> innercity poor that have no skills, no future and no hope. Why is that >> Asian immigrants come to this country and within a generation have >> children who are valedictorians in their High School and at the same time >> three or more generations of African American's where the men are in jail >> or just plain missing and the girls are pregnant at 14? >> >> I will tell you why, culture. The welfare state has created the problem, >> It is the old cliche' "Give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to >> fish, he eats for life:" >> >> So while you may find it offensive, I think it hits on some essential >> truths >> >> Scot > > >Another thing no one wants to talk about is that almost 70% of the black >babies in this country are born to unwed women, mostly teenagers. > >Bill Cosby dares to discuss the anti-education and anti-intellectual culture >American blacks have created and are perpetuating; a culture that is openly >opposed to personal growth and success. Black kids who do well in school >are mocked and ostracized because they act "white". > >This is all connected to the welfare system and the entitlement mentality; >but these things can change if the black community, led by prominent, >successful, and popular black figures, puts their collective mind to it. > >There isn't much evidence this is happening or will ever happen. > >The Asians you mention base their lives on two things: family and >education. This is what they value, along with a tremendous work ethic. >Popular and successful black figures provide ostentatious displays of >material things obtained through overnight athletic or entertainment >success. Bling bling. > >Big difference. > >EGBH > > This is a subject that's way too complex for a usenet discussion, but I think you have to start by acknowledging that there are deepseated cultural factors that have led to poor blacks being in the position they're in today. Lots of people complain about the "entitlement mentality" without recognizing that white America is just as responsible as black America for fostering that mentality. It's always been easier to just throw money at the problem and hope it will go away instead of doing the tough job of truly integrating blacks into American society. JimK ------------------------------ From: Tim Donohoe Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:43:48 GMT DG wrote: > > I wish Clinton had done more after the WTC bombing the first time. > > I remember when that happened, in fact one of the 3 people who died used to work for me. I also remember that the investigation turned up a rented van immediately and the 2 scumbags responsible for the bombing (plus their leader a few months later) were rounded up and thrown in jail before they could celebrate their bombing. I was amazed by the FBIs tentacles back then, I never considered for one minute that there would be a need to go to war with another country over it. Maybe I was wrong, but back then it was the most amazing investigation and roundup I had ever seen, less than 2 weeks and the suspects were identified caught and rounded up. All this hindsight is pretty stupid IMO. Another somewhat related point: Before the WTC bombing Clinton asked to expand the FBI's powers for wiretapping and phone tapping, every right winger I heard was up in arms over his suggestion that the FBI have more power to wiretap and spy on suspected terrorists. These same right wingers will bend over for an FBI rectal exam now since the Patriot Act, a right wing invention. Yet the Democrats who wanted to allow the FBI this additional power back in 93 are against it now. Is it any wonder nothing got fixed? I remember being against Clinton's wiretap idea the same way I am against the provisions of the Patriot Act. I thought it was too great an invasion of privacy and an unnecessary one considering the time it took the FBI to catch Timothy McVeigh and later the 3 WTC bombers. The people who agreed with me in 93 are the same people who disagree with me now. The ones who disagreed with me in 93 are the ones ranting and raving about the Patriot act nowadays. What a difference 10 years made. ------------------------------ From: Tim Donohoe Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:45:26 GMT band beyond description wrote: > "DG" wrote in message > news:0ruri1lom0tijiucvcoo2g8h4bfklkml14@4ax.com... > >>Don Bean wrote: >> >>>Did anyone see Clinton interviewed today ?? The guy still has the right >>>answers. Its funny (and sad too) how stark a difference it is between his >>>years/ideas compared to what we have now... Say what you want but Clinton >>>represented this country well... >>>Bean >> >> >>Clinton ripped Bush a new one according to the articles I've read >>about it. >> >> > > http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050918/wl_afp/usweatheriraqeconomy_050918200308 > >>Great to see him speak up. >> >> >> > > > it's about time; Clinton has laid off slamming Dumbya long enough. he had > to appear bipartisan just because of the tsunami and Katrina due to that > pesky presidential protocol of not criticizing one's predecessors... Plus the fact that he appears with GHW Bush every time he gets the chance, whatever keeps him in the limelight I guess. ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:46:26 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:07:59 -0400, "volkfolk" wrote: > >I don't disagree with this premise, but I think most successful people, no >matter what their race, don't spend a whole lot of time dwelling on >obstacles or feeling sorry for themselves. While I agree that historically >Black people's opportunities were limited by their skin color, I don't >believe that is true today. Economics are the biggest factor in anyones >success, not race. If you really believe this, you're kidding yourself. There may be less racial discrimination against blacks these days, but it's still out there and it's still going strong. It's just not as out in the open as it once was. And you really can't separate economics from race. The latter has a profound effect on the former. JimK ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Clinton interviews.. Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:55:26 -0700 "Tim Donohoe" wrote in message news:EBpXe.35803$%w.15639@twister.nyc.rr.com... > DG wrote: >> >> I wish Clinton had done more after the WTC bombing the first time. >> >> > > I remember when that happened, in fact one of the 3 people who died used > to work for me. I also remember that the investigation turned up a rented > van immediately and the 2 scumbags responsible for the bombing (plus their > leader a few months later) were rounded up and thrown in jail before they > could celebrate their bombing. I was amazed by the FBIs tentacles back > then, I never considered for one minute that there would be a need to go > to war with another country over it. Maybe I was wrong, but back then it > was the most amazing investigation and roundup I had ever seen, less than > 2 weeks and the suspects were identified caught and rounded up. All this > hindsight is pretty stupid IMO. > > Another somewhat related point: Before the WTC bombing Clinton asked to > expand the FBI's powers for wiretapping and phone tapping, every right > winger I heard was up in arms over his suggestion that the FBI have more > power to wiretap and spy on suspected terrorists. These same right > wingers will bend over for an FBI rectal exam now since the Patriot Act, a > right wing invention. Yet the Democrats who wanted to allow the FBI this > additional power back in 93 are against it now. Is it any wonder nothing > got fixed? > > I remember being against Clinton's wiretap idea the same way I am against > the provisions of the Patriot Act. I thought it was too great an invasion > of privacy and an unnecessary one considering the time it took the FBI to > catch Timothy McVeigh and later the 3 WTC bombers. The people who agreed > with me in 93 are the same people who disagree with me now. The ones who > disagreed with me in 93 are the ones ranting and raving about the Patriot > act nowadays. What a difference 10 years made. Good post ... people forget that for the most part, what Clinton was able to accomplish occured during a time when he had the right wingers up in his face hot and heavy the whole time. Hounded by a special prosecutor who spent years and millions of dollars looking for something to pin on him. Right wing think tanks figuring out how to spin and pin. Clinton made mistakes. NAFTA was one. Giving enemies something to go after was another. But we were all so much better off under his administration--personally, financially and nationally--that it simply amazes me that anyone can think otherwise. I guess it is the "shit on the upper lip" syndrome all over again. R. ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: Republican Criminals Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:57:04 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:43:10 +0900, "band beyond description" <123@456.com> wrote: >isn't that thread title an oxymoron? No, but it is redundant. JimK ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: 18 Sep 2005 20:01:28 -0700 JimK wrote: > On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:29:36 -0700, "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" > wrote: > > > > >"volkfolk" wrote in message > >news:qrydnQg1YZCC6bDeRVn-jg@comcast.com... > >> > >> "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message > >> news:1mHWe.922$gK.322@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net... > >>> > >>> "Stuknot" <> wrote in message ... > >>> > >>> I found it offensive. > >>> > >>> John H. > >>> **************** > >>> I did too. > >> > >> Unfortunately, I think that there is way more than a grain of truth. Forty > >> years of "giving" people handouts instead of a hand up, has resulted in > >> innercity poor that have no skills, no future and no hope. Why is that > >> Asian immigrants come to this country and within a generation have > >> children who are valedictorians in their High School and at the same time > >> three or more generations of African American's where the men are in jail > >> or just plain missing and the girls are pregnant at 14? > >> > >> I will tell you why, culture. The welfare state has created the problem, > >> It is the old cliche' "Give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to > >> fish, he eats for life:" > >> > >> So while you may find it offensive, I think it hits on some essential > >> truths > >> > >> Scot > > > > > >Another thing no one wants to talk about is that almost 70% of the black > >babies in this country are born to unwed women, mostly teenagers. > > > >Bill Cosby dares to discuss the anti-education and anti-intellectual culture > >American blacks have created and are perpetuating; a culture that is openly > >opposed to personal growth and success. Black kids who do well in school > >are mocked and ostracized because they act "white". > > > >This is all connected to the welfare system and the entitlement mentality; > >but these things can change if the black community, led by prominent, > >successful, and popular black figures, puts their collective mind to it. > > > >There isn't much evidence this is happening or will ever happen. > > > >The Asians you mention base their lives on two things: family and > >education. This is what they value, along with a tremendous work ethic. > >Popular and successful black figures provide ostentatious displays of > >material things obtained through overnight athletic or entertainment > >success. Bling bling. > > > >Big difference. > > > >EGBH > > > > > This is a subject that's way too complex for a usenet discussion, but > I think you have to start by acknowledging that there are deepseated > cultural factors that have led to poor blacks being in the position > they're in today. Lots of people complain about the "entitlement > mentality" without recognizing that white America is just as > responsible as black America for fostering that mentality. It's always > been easier to just throw money at the problem and hope it will go > away instead of doing the tough job of truly integrating blacks into > American society. > > JimK That's true. POTD. Word. carrie ------------------------------ From: "Sparky the Wonder Dog" Subject: Re: information on candace brightman...? Date: 18 Sep 2005 20:32:47 -0700 She got her start in liquid light projection that wasn't all that automated. The Joshua Light Show and the other artists at the Fillmore did beautiful work. Information on the Fillmore's set-up is available, maybe published in the Hippy book, could be on the web. I wonder how many Deadheads cared all that much about it--her sister seems to think it was part of some fascistic mind-control plot to bewitch the masses. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .