From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #320 Dead-Flames Digest #320, Volume #48 Sat, 17 Sep 05 22:00:02 PDT Contents: Quicksilver bt ("Richard Morris") Re: I love a good Franklin's Tower ... ("Bzl.") Re: Just when you thought it couldn't get wierder.... ("Bzl.") Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("Carlisle") Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... (joker4153@comcast.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Quicksilver bt Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:09:05 -0700 Anyone besides me here like QMS? QUICKSILVER MESSENGER SERVICE New Years Eve 1970/ 1971 Kabuki Theater San Francisco http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=49141&dllist=1#seeders Cippolina's last with the band until 1975 reunion, I believe. R. -- Drop "trousers" to respond via email. ------------------------------ From: "Bzl." Subject: Re: I love a good Franklin's Tower ... Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 00:23:03 -0400 "Richard Morris" wrote > > What's yer favorite Franklin? > > R. Favorite seen: 5/1/81 Hampton Best ever: 11/29/80 Gainesville, featuring 3 of the most blisteringest Jerry solos ever, (even if 2 of them are practically the same solo) ------------------------------ From: "Bzl." Subject: Re: Just when you thought it couldn't get wierder.... Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 00:29:02 -0400 "pv34pv3p" wrote in message news:1127007287.501356.142210@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/16/AR2005091602167_pf.html > > Divide and conquer's the only thing that comes to mind at the moment... > > pv34pv3p(That Karl Rove's really something....) > Not sure what Rove has to do with it, but it was a great speech. (I actually think Peggy Noonan must've been involved in writing it.) It's commendable on Ms. Brazile's part to so strongly agree with the speech, especially in print. ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 17 Sep 2005 21:38:49 -0700 pv34pv3p wrote: > Gotta go....But just so things don't get stale before I get back.... > > pv34pv3p > > > Katrina, What Went Right > Newsday(RealClearPolitics), by Lou Dolinar > > Original Article > > Posted By:LComStaff, 9/17/2005 5:46:34 AM > > With body recovery teams in New Orleans finding far fewer than the > expected 10,000 to 25,000 dead, despite the flooding of 80 percent of > the city, it is time to ask: What went right? Largely invisible to the > media's radar, a broad-based rescue effort by federal, state and local > first responders pulled 25,000 to 50,000 people from harm's way in > floodwaters in the city. > > Comments: > We are posting this from a blog as it is behind a subscription wall at > Newsday and you know how we hate when that happens.Look for more of > this in the future. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Reply 1 - Posted by: Maybeth, 9/17/2005 6:09:03 AM > > If anyone wonders why Old Media does not find these stories of bravery > and rescue to be newsworthy, it's because 'what went right' does not > blend with their hate-filled agenda ...... to get Bush, at any cost. > They stepped in their own poop on the ABC interviews a couple of nights > ago. Expecting to hear victims point fingers and rant against our > government, those interviewed did just the opposite. They were proud > and appreciative of the aid in process. It was wonderful!!! > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 2 - Posted by: Judy W., 9/17/2005 7:05:00 AM > > "What looked like a hurricane relief breakdown was in fact a press > release breakdown." The media don't understand decentralized > initiative; they think everything has to come from central government > direction. It's interesting that various government agencies acted on > their own -- even the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries, > which claimed 20,000 rescues. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 3 - Posted by: jglas, 9/17/2005 7:06:54 AM > > Surprise, surprise, the MSM failed to get the story, and played > politics with the one they did get. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 4 - Posted by: acidkibitzer, 9/17/2005 7:07:29 AM > > We would welcome a madcap Cindy 'nasty' Sheehan demonstration or > encampment in New Orleans ... as long as it is done ... under water. We > understand that there are a few soggy spots left. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 5 - Posted by: VRWconspiracy, 9/17/2005 7:17:35 AM > > This is typical American behavior -- taking the initiative without > waiting for big brother's approval. But it also implicitly points out > the failure of Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco for not providing > reliable contact points to direct rescue forces to the most afficted > areas. The ad hoc groups of rescuers did not sit around waiting for > permission slips from their mommies or "orders" from incompetent > politicians. They just improvised and did their best -- which turned > out to be damned good indeed. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 6 - Posted by: delta dave, 9/17/2005 7:20:54 AM > > The artilce says ... "113 choppers were in operation around New Orleans > by Sept. 1" and it mentions hundreds of boats in operation all. > > I guess all this activity and the continuous stream of arrivals at the > Superdome was somehow unobserable to everyone from the Mayor and > Governor down to the MSM who were busy looking everywhere for the > floating bodies of the drown and dead. > > Maybe they thought the 113 heliocopters buzzing around were just large > Louisana swamp mesquitos > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 7 - Posted by: Daisymay, 9/17/2005 7:21:54 AM > > I'm still waiting for Shep Smith, at FOX, to APOLOGIZE to the Bush > administration for jumping to the conclusion that they were leaving > those folks on the Bridge there...well..because they DIDN'T CARE! For > days he stood there and screamed and yelled "where is the Red Cross"? > Why doesn't ANYONE care about these people"...well, now we know WHERE > the Red Cross was...outside the City because the Governor wouldn't let > them in! Haven't heard a WORD on FOX from Shep that he was WRONG to > blame BUSH! > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 8 - Posted by: SouthernNotStupid, 9/17/2005 7:48:10 AM > > What? People used initiative and didn't wait for some Guvmint flunky to > blow in their ear, hand them a pile of money and tell them whut to do? > > Whoa. They must be talking about Murica. > > Lead, follow or get the H*** out of the way sorta sums it up don't hit? > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 9 - Posted by: nevernaught, 9/17/2005 8:09:25 AM > > He forgot to mention Sean Penns 'rescue boat' the Titanic 2 where Sean > and his personal crew and cameraman ventured bravely out into four feet > of water to rescue someone. Wait a minute, that wasn't a success. The > boat wouldn't start, it was taking on water and everyone was sea sick > from paddling six foot back to the landing point. Oh well. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 10 - Posted by: Zarin, 9/17/2005 8:19:18 AM > > LOVE IT! Our guys were there from day one! The media are idiots! FTA: > "There was no central clearing house for information on rescue efforts. > What looked like a hurricane relief breakdown was in fact a press > release breakdown." > What gets me is the adults stuck on a roof complained that the > helicopters just passed them by - totally selfish- forgetting that the > choopers were rescuing children & the elderly first. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 11 - Posted by: Dolley Madison, 9/17/2005 8:32:25 AM > > Yeah; one of the alphabet losers was down in NO, talking to those who > survived, trying their level best to find criticism of the president. > But the people said they did not hold the president responsible, they > blamed the mayor and the governor! > > > It seems the people understand how America is supposed to work. > > > It's just the loser networks that refuse to do so. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 12 - Posted by: flybynight, 9/17/2005 8:42:01 AM > > I just returned from a week working in a coastal Mississippi relief > center, with several hundred other Episcopalians from all over the > country. The scope of the devastation defies description or TV > depiction. We handed out soap, canned goods, hugs, bleach, antibiotics > and insulin, bedding, shoes, and everything else you can imagine > needing. By the thousands, and tons. All of it, every toothbrush, > t-shirt, shovel,and tomato soup, donated by American companies, > American kids, and American churches. FEMA was manning one table, > helping people who had lost everything begin the process of recovery. > Most had moved in with relatives, some were living in tents or public > shelters. 80% of the housing along the MS coast was destroyed. It was a > mountainous tribute to the generosity of the people of this country. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 13 - Posted by: LadyVet, 9/17/2005 8:46:36 AM > > This is one of the best descriptions I've read of Governette Blank-0's > strategy: > > More died at the Superdome after the Governor decided on a Pol Pot > solution for evacuation of the city, e.g. Starve the city dwellers to > force them into the countryside. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 14 - Posted by: flybynight, 9/17/2005 8:49:37 AM > > More from once-beautiful Long Beach: There are very few businesses open > yet, but many tattered signs saying 'we'll be back.' And most little > shops have people tearing out sodden drywall, drying out carpet, and > getting ready to restock and reopen. > For miles and miles, a strip four to six blocks deep from the > waterfront, is scoured level. Not a stone was left on stone. For > another mile or two, the houses are condemned, perhaps standing, but > damaged beyond repair. For many miles inland, the view from the air is > of acres of blue tarp roofs. New Orleans gets a lot of press, but until > you've seen what's left of coastal MS, you haven't seen what a Cat5 > hurricane can do. And until you've seen rural Mississippians pick up > and carry on, many of them whose houses are gone, working in the very > relief centers intended to help them, you haven't seen real courage, > kindness, and determination. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 15 - Posted by: Duke of Duval, 9/17/2005 8:53:51 AM > > I was surprised at how little I heard and saw about Mississippi and > Alabama. Guess they have republican governors?? > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 16 - Posted by: osu mom, 9/17/2005 8:58:58 AM > > Dittos #7. I too saw Shep LIVE that night...and, in an interview with, > I think, O'Reilly, where he ROLLED his eyes over the federal response. > Shep's a bit too metrosexual for my blood. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 17 - Posted by: Halfgenius, 9/17/2005 9:05:43 AM > > Yeah, we have Republican Governors that followed the plan and saved > many lives. We have all pitched in and helped each other. But over in > MS is where the heatbreaks lie. Those folks need all the help they can > get and they'll get it. It take a while to remove the mountains of > debris and sand and flotsam and jetsam. The roadways have to be cleared > and re-built in many cases and lodging brought in for the builders to > live in. Here in Alabama they used barges parked along the intercoastal > waterway with trailers parked on them for temporary quarters, sanitary > systems and fresh water are always a problem for relief workers but we > did it. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 18 - Posted by: NancyD, 9/17/2005 9:06:49 AM > > I agree with the Shep thing. > > Fox just interviewed some guy who owns a restaurant in NO and he said > "Thank you, Thank you, Thank you President Bush, you are doing a > wonderful job" The guy was gleeming! > > Take THAT you idiot journalists! > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 19 - Posted by: osu mom, 9/17/2005 9:19:37 AM > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 20 - Posted by: Freedomlover, 9/17/2005 9:22:17 AM > > Shepard Smith is into having his hair curled and complaining about his > limo service. He is a phony and not too bright. Don't know why Fox > keeps him; maybe he appeals to the soap opera crowd. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 21 - Posted by: herder elwood, 9/17/2005 9:28:23 AM > > ......heard anything about the number of New Orleans drowning victims > that are actually murder victims?....Just a VRW rumor, I s'pose? > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 22 - Posted by: Shells, 9/17/2005 10:08:39 AM > > Thanks flyby for the word picture of what is going on in MS. > I hope those folks know how much we care - as far as I'm concerned, if > they need it, they will get it. From us, the American people. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 23 - Posted by: browneyes, 9/17/2005 10:18:57 AM > > Seeing Shepard Smith for 3 days in a row was stomach turning. Standing > there, knowing he would be driven out in safety, his guilt was evident. > Then he appeared on O.R for rehabing his image. I would not refer to > him as a Journalist, rather he was and remains an exploiter. The same > can be said for Joe Scarborough. He has been absolutely shameless in > his coverage, But, then he needs to keep his job. NBC sent the memo to > their people on-air "GET ANGRY" Russert is leading the effort. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 24 - Posted by: flybynight, 9/17/2005 10:24:46 AM > > Americans-and Canadians- have been incredibly generous with short-term > needs, from what I could see. The long term is likely to be even > harder. What these people are going to need is some sort of major > housing effort. The figure I heard was 80 per cent of all MS gulf-coast > housing was demolished by Katrina. The working poor were particularly > hard-hit, with little insurance, particularly flood insurance, to deal > with what was a 50-foot wall of water, driven by 200mph winds. If any > of you are builders, Habitat or otherwise, there's going to be several > years' worth of work to be done to get 100,000 people- or more- back in > their own homes. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 25 - Posted by: LittleHoodedMonk, 9/17/2005 10:39:05 AM > > 'Katrina, What Went Right' > > I, also, hope that the President, in due time, does a public accounting > of the Nations that sent aid to US. Where was the UN? > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 26 - Posted by: Momma Walton, 9/17/2005 11:33:12 AM > > The prayers of all America were answered and God delivered New Orleans > in spite of Satanic interference allowed by the mayor and governor. > Thank you President Bush for standing firm in your dedication to > rebuild what Satan sought to destroy. I pray that many good people go > there to rebuild, establishing a God-loving city that will deny the > Satanic influence that has governed that part of our country. > > God's people need to take control and dedicate the land, the people, to > a better life and for all of them to enjoy peace and contentment, not > terror and disaster. AMEN > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 27 - Posted by: gop_guys, 9/17/2005 11:44:15 AM > > Stopped the paper. Discontinued cable. I read what I want on the > internet. Life is much more peaceful. The ''old media's'' attempt to > foist abortion, homosexuality, victimhood, class warfare, race baiting, > secular humanism, and basic Godlessness no longer has me frustrated and > upset. > > Have a nice day fellow L'dotter brothers and sisters. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 28 - Posted by: valleystorm, 9/17/2005 11:52:07 AM > > THREE hurricanes! (1) Katrina; (2) the media-ghouls; (3) and all those > rescuers who swept in and saved everyone? > > Of the three, the media was the most publicized. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 29 - Posted by: SallyVee, 9/17/2005 12:29:28 PM > > Great description of Gov. "Pol Pot" Blanco: > > More died at the Superdome after the Governor decided on a Pol Pot > solution for evacuation of the city, e.g. Starve the city dwellers to > force them into the countryside. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 30 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 9/17/2005 12:39:21 PM > > The media's behavior during Katrina for the most part was horrendous, > hysterical and completely worthless. > Most of the FOX reporters were great- just the facts ,not the > falsehoods and fabrications. > The rest of the cables and the old news outlets performed as > expected-dismally. > God help the country if we are all collectively in an emergency > situation and have to rely on what passed for reporting during Katrina. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 31 - Posted by: Christie, 9/17/2005 2:10:34 PM > > There's no wonder why that kick-butt, outspoken General (?), I forget > his name, was so P-Oed when the presstitutes were asking stoopid biased > questions. I would not one word of criticism to get to these dedicated > service men and women, they did not deserve a word of it. > HOwever, the fact that the media didn't report the good new has a > two-fold explanation. The first part of the explanation is that they > are only to report bad news, as the goal is to make Dubya look as bad > as possible. The second part is that the 'reporters' would not approach > the military for the facts since they are allergic to the facts and are > particularly sceptical when the military is the source. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 32 - Posted by: greggojo, 9/17/2005 2:17:41 PM > > For four days I sat glued to the television. And for four days I saw > rescue after rescue, America's fine young people helping those in need. > And the entire time the MSM in their rush to destroy our President > reported the opposite of what all of us could plainly see. As usual > with the left, this wasn't about the news or the truth, it was simply > their attempt to accomplish their socialist agenda which requires the > destruction of George W. Bush. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 33 - Posted by: Cedarina, 9/17/2005 2:33:20 PM > > Lots went right in Mississippi & Alabama where the governors knew how > to manage & administer programs. LA and NO are rife with fraud, > do-nothings and know-nothings. > > The voters of NO and LA get what they vote for and now they don't want > to pay the price. > > Well, I don't think I should pay either. Give them help, vouchers, > grants. No cash and no ATM cards that can be turned into cash. I also > don't want my tax dollars going to pay for rebuilding below water > level. Turn it into open space and back to nature. > > NO has always turned me off as a tawdry, unkempt charactature of its > past & it's been living on its past reputation. Time for a wake-up > call. The first ones to go should be the mayor of NO and the governor > of LA. Both are ineffective & worthless. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 34 - Posted by: gumbino, 9/17/2005 3:06:58 PM > > And, #7, both Shep and Whoraldo beat their breasts and tore out their > hair over 'officials' not allowing people trapped at the NOLA > Convention Center to leave by crossing over a nearby bridge. > > Turns out, those 'officials' blocking that highway were local police > from the bordering town of Gretna. (Guess they didn't want those > evacuees crossing over into Gretna -- one excuse given was that there's > a large shopping center right over that bridge, and town officials were > afraid it would be looted.) > > Will we ever hear Shep or Whoraldo explain exactly WHO it was blocking > those evacuees, and WHY? Not holding my breath. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 35 - Posted by: artlover, 9/17/2005 4:19:01 PM > > No. 7 tells it like it was. I was so mad at Shep Smith, Geraldo and > O'Reilly about the way they tore at President Bush. No wonder Bush's > poll numbers went down. They blamed him for the wind, the rain, and for > the people making the mess, they blamed him for everything. They were > wrong. Bush had begged the governor to let the national people come in > , but No, she was afraid it would mar their status as a state. Well, > that status is now marred, forever. I think they will continue to mar, > as it is run by democrats. They know no other way..... > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Reply 36 - Posted by: Yorkiemom, 9/17/2005 7:23:26 PM > > It sounds like the good people of MS are not whining nearly as much as > Joe Scarborough. They are getting busy, cleaning up, not rebuilding, > and not complaining. Joe is still yelling about Fema and Pres. Bush. > Just shut up, Joe, you MSNBC weenie. HA! That was the longest thing I've ever read on Usenet and remained entertained. Thanks pv34pv3p(Did I get that straight?) ;) cheers, carrie ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... Date: 17 Sep 2005 21:49:20 -0700 EXACTLY what I was thinking. 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