From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #317 Dead-Flames Digest #317, Volume #48 Sat, 17 Sep 05 17:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Taking food into Shoreline Amphitheatre... ("AirtimeJunkie") Re: Louisiana Officials Indicted Before Katrina Hit ("Bill") Stealie citing on CNN (Steve Lenier) Re: beer (ndc) ("Jerry's Kids") Re: beer (ndc) (Steve Lenier) Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! (Steve Lenier) Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! ("Stephen St.") Re: I love a good Franklin's Tower ... ("Jamie Fisher") Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("YoMama") Re: Stealie citing on CNN ("imsjry") Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson ("^^indifference^^") Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! (DG) Re: Chainee to have surgery... ("grtflmark") Re: Chainee to have surgery... ("grtflmark") Oh, By the Way...... ("grtflmark") Re: Chainee to have surgery... ("Stephen St.") Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! (Sherry) Re: DEW plates (Sherry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "AirtimeJunkie" Subject: Re: Taking food into Shoreline Amphitheatre... Date: 17 Sep 2005 14:36:22 -0700 Thanks for the tip. We have decided to skip the Greg Kihn Band. I think he sucks anyway. LOL Kevin ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Louisiana Officials Indicted Before Katrina Hit Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 22:13:45 GMT "Stephen St." wrote in message news:Po%We.1720$Jm.242@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > > "Bill" wrote in message > news:36%We.1714$Jm.53@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > > > > "Stephen St." wrote in message > > news:nN_We.1709$Jm.580@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > >> > >> "Bill" wrote in message > >> news:URZWe.2919$5n4.207@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > >> > > >> > "Stephen St." wrote in message > >> > news:QjZWe.1580$2J3.975@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > >> >> > >> >> "Richard Morris" wrote in message > >> >> news:YKWdnYaNat8GwLHeRVn-3A@comcast.com... > >> >> > > >> >> > "Stephen St." wrote in message > >> >> > news:InYWe.1564$2J3.1541@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > >> >> > > >> >> > snip > >> >> > > >> >> >> Louisiana is, by far, the most politicially corrupt state in the > >> > country. > >> >> >> And now there is gonna be a few hundred billion dollars going down > >> > there? > >> >> > > >> >> > Possibly ... but then Washington, DC is not technically a state. > >> >> > The > >> >> > political corruption there is staggering. Unfortunately, the fox is > >> >> > guarding the hen house at this point ... but that won't be the case > >> >> > forever. > >> >> > >> >> I agree, but I didnt want to include the uber corrupt congress and > >> >> senate. > >> >> All of them by the way. > >> >> > >> >> > I suspect you voted for the corruption, however, so it probably > > doesn't > >> >> > trouble you much. > >> >> > >> >> IMHO, anyone who voted anyone in office in DC voted for corruption. > > They > >> > all > >> >> suck. > >> > > >> > To put them all into the same basket is evidence of being pretty > > ignorant > >> > of > >> > the actions and interests of each of them. To put Tom Delay and Henry > >> > Waxman or a lot of the other decent Democrats (John Conyers, many of > >> > the > >> > Bay > >> > Area Democrats) can only come from someone who isn't paying attention. > >> > >> Yes, but you appear to put all republicans into the same basket by > >> mentioning only democrats as potential good guys. > > > > On the Republican side, there's a few decent ones that can be counted on > > one > > hand - definitely rare exceptions to the general rule that Republicans in > > congress are corrupt and refuse to stand up to corrupt leaders in their > > party. > > > > Oh, I agree. I'm amazed at how much of the country doesn't see this. > > Republicans are much more monolithic than Democrats are. Independent > > thinking by Republicans in Congress is an extreme rarity which is why it > > is > > extremely common for almost 100%, if not 100%, of the Republicans to vote > > just how their leaders tell them to vote. > > My guess is they are about to get ousted big time from both houses in 06. I hope so though the Dems will try to find a way to screw it up and to be safe, the Republicans elections will try to fix the elections with help from the companies that make the machines that "count" the votes (all have close ties to Republicans). > BTW, how many senate seats are up next november? I don't know. I know that Santorum, that creepy scary fool in Pennsylvania, is up for re-election. I sure hope the voters will reverse the terrible vote they made in putting that fool into office - which they can do by soundly defeating this embarrassment to Pennsylvania. > > > > It's for the above two reasons that it's so important for any > > congressional > > Republican be defeated. > > I may just vote straight democrat in the 06 elections...its gotten that bad. > > I usually vote judges all democrat...just in case..lol Good idea. Now if we can just get the vote-counting machines from the Republican-aligned firms (Diebold, ES&S) to be replaced with ones not fixed to give the election to the Republican candidate. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:22:19 -0700 Subject: Stealie citing on CNN From: Steve Lenier Yesterday, I had CNN on but muted, listening to a Kimock show that Shayman-san probably attended and reviewed (Nagoya, 2001, I believe). CNN was in Iraq, and looking over the shoulder of a soldier (I think he was piloting a plane or helicopter but not sure) and on the back of his helmet was a perfectly centered and aligned Stealie, looked like it belonged there, and I guess it did. Steve ------------------------------ From: "Jerry's Kids" Subject: Re: beer (ndc) Date: 17 Sep 2005 15:27:29 -0700 I made 15 gallons of Cab/Merlot in 2004 that is still in my oak barrel. I did 8 gallons of Zinfandel Port and a bunch of bottles of Tarragon infused distillate. The garden is fading fast, so am starting to infuse the last of my basil and tarragon and will do a horseradish / wasabi infustion as fall really hits. But no beer anymore. Just grapes and home made hooch. http://www.subrosa.arbre.us http://www.subrosa.arbre.us/SubRosaDrinks.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:27:46 -0700 Subject: Re: beer (ndc) From: Steve Lenier in article 0o_We.1183$jS.1165@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com, Roxanne McDaniel at theothr1@sbcglobal.net wrote on 9/17/05 12:46 PM: > Does anyone still home brew? > Or make their own wine? > > Some friends of mine did as of a couple years ago, and I'm sure they still do. And they live not that far from you, Rockford. STeve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:31:44 -0700 Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! From: Steve Lenier in article VP_We.1710$Jm.1017@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Stephen St. at stephen@nospam.net wrote on 9/17/05 1:15 PM: > > "DG" wrote in message > news:5froi1potnhuvbkjhs255r4888b3r45e6m@4ax.com... >> Stephen St. wrote: >>> >>> DG wrote >>> >>>> pv34pv3p wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Oh...and none of us has ever been guilty of public intoxication??? >>>> >>>> >>>> I haven't. >>> >>> Guess its a boring life being perfect. >> >> >> I've been intoxicated in public but never got arrested for it. > > Being guilty and getting arrested are not the same thing. > > Almost anyone who attended a GD show probably is guilty of being > "intoxicated" in public. Intoxicated not being limited to alcohol of course nitpickingly, we were never "guilty" of it unless we were proven guilty...until then we're innocent. Steve ------------------------------ From: "Stephen St." Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 22:46:18 GMT "Steve Lenier" wrote in message news:BF51E760.3052A%slenier@comcast.net... > in article VP_We.1710$Jm.1017@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Stephen St. at > stephen@nospam.net wrote on 9/17/05 1:15 PM: > >> >> "DG" wrote in message >> news:5froi1potnhuvbkjhs255r4888b3r45e6m@4ax.com... >>> Stephen St. wrote: >>>> >>>> DG wrote >>>> >>>>> pv34pv3p wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh...and none of us has ever been guilty of public intoxication??? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I haven't. >>>> >>>> Guess its a boring life being perfect. >>> >>> >>> I've been intoxicated in public but never got arrested for it. >> >> Being guilty and getting arrested are not the same thing. >> >> Almost anyone who attended a GD show probably is guilty of being >> "intoxicated" in public. Intoxicated not being limited to alcohol of >> course > > > nitpickingly, we were never "guilty" of it unless we were proven > guilty...until then we're innocent. My innocence was revoked in Englishtown 77 aka my first show... I got it back about 6 years ago ------------------------------ From: "Jamie Fisher" Subject: Re: I love a good Franklin's Tower ... Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 22:50:07 GMT I think the Dead Set one is excellent but the one that really sucked me in was the One From the Vault. Donna's moniter is up, Jerry's playing and vocals were done with such enthusiasm plus the Bill Graham intro before Help always gave me goosebumps. Jamie ------------------------------ From: "YoMama" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 17 Sep 2005 16:07:41 -0700 DG wrote: > "pv34pv3p" wrote: > > > >>LOL... Ya little bitch... > > > >Could be a HUGE bitch for all you know... > > > >pv34pv3p(Quit diminshing people...) > > > How about just "bitch"? "Don't be stuck on the things they say now you know it's a nasty world I ain't f*ckin wit you anyway cause I know your a nasty girl I ain't never gon discriminate, so let me compliment your eyes" DG girl, I'm sure you have lovely eyes. Love, Mama - 120-pound bitch ------------------------------ From: "imsjry" Subject: Re: Stealie citing on CNN Date: 17 Sep 2005 16:09:31 -0700 Steve Lenier wrote: > Yesterday, I had CNN on but muted, listening to a Kimock show that > Shayman-san probably attended and reviewed (Nagoya, 2001, I believe). CNN > was in Iraq, and looking over the shoulder of a soldier (I think he was > piloting a plane or helicopter but not sure) and on the back of his helmet > was a perfectly centered and aligned Stealie, looked like it belonged there, > and I guess it did. > > Steve We ARE Everywhere!! ------------------------------ From: "^^indifference^^" Crossposted-To: rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s,rec.arts.movies.current-films Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:10:01 -0700 "BlackMonk" wrote in message news:432bb714$0$18650$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > I removed film and dead from the headers. It's on-topic for the sixties > group. > > I put them back, What are you gonna do about it? ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:16:55 -0700 YoMama wrote: > >DG wrote: >> "pv34pv3p" wrote: >> > >> >>LOL... Ya little bitch... >> > >> >Could be a HUGE bitch for all you know... >> > >> >pv34pv3p(Quit diminshing people...) >> >> >> How about just "bitch"? > >"Don't be stuck on the things they say >now you know it's a nasty world >I ain't f*ckin wit you anyway >cause I know your a nasty girl >I ain't never gon discriminate, >so let me compliment your eyes" > >DG girl, I'm sure you have lovely eyes. > >Love, >Mama - 120-pound bitch What are you wearing? ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: Chainee to have surgery... Date: 17 Sep 2005 16:24:09 -0700 minnehaha wrote: > "Richard Morris" wrote in message > news:atqdnU0A8LAnwbHeRVn-hQ@comcast.com... > > > > "Stephen St." wrote in message > > news:kDYWe.1572$2J3.454@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > >> > >> "DG" wrote in message > >> news:fdloi1dfs31huth146gpemjd7q2s361p8e@4ax.com... > >>> > >>> Let's us pray to little baby jebus for infection, complication and a > >>> shaky surgeon. > >>> > >>> Go grim reaper! > >> > >> Thats some good karma your spreading there. Hope it doesnt come back to > >> haunt you. > >> But it will. > > > > Heh. How do you know that DG's wish isn't Chaney's karma coming bac to > > haunt *him*??? > > > There is no such thing as "Karma". Unless of course you believe in religion > and deities and other such fairy tale crap. ....... that's not true - the Zeroth and Second Law of Thermodynamics are perfect examples of karma --- though some would say those laws are a result of a "God" or something like that - but, the math works either way... ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: Chainee to have surgery... Date: 17 Sep 2005 16:28:28 -0700 >Bill Sep 17, 3:15 pm show options >Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead >From: "Bill" - Find messages by this author >Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 19:15:42 GMT >Local: Sat, Sep 17 2005 3:15 pm >Subject: Re: Chainee to have surgery... >Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show >original | Report Abuse >"Richard Morris" wrote in message >news:h7ydnQoffP0K_7HeRVn-sw@comcast.com... > "minnehaha" wrote in message > news:dghnb8$4gja$1@netnews.upenn.edu... > > "Richard Morris" wrote in message > > news:atqdnU0A8LAnwbHeRVn-hQ@comcast.com... > >> "Stephen St." wrote in message > >> news:kDYWe.1572$2J3.454@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > >>> "DG" wrote in message > >>> news:fdloi1dfs31huth146gpemjd7q2s361p8e@4ax.com... > >>>> Let's us pray to little baby jebus for infection, complication and >>>>>a shaky surgeon. > >>>> Go grim reaper! > >>> Thats some good karma your spreading there. Hope it doesnt come back to > >>> haunt you. > >>> But it will. > >> Heh. How do you know that DG's wish isn't Chaney's karma coming bac to > >> haunt *him*??? > > There is no such thing as "Karma". Unless of course you believe in > > religion and deities and other such fairy tale crap. > Do you believe in evil? >>What I wonder is how much leeway does God give Satan. ..... read "The Book of Job" for a scary take on that - and then read Jung's "Answer to Job" for a real head-turner! ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Oh, By the Way...... Date: 17 Sep 2005 16:33:24 -0700 ...... just to keep all the Bush-bashers honest - I wouldn't bother trying to keep the Louisiana and New Orleans Democrats honest - that IS a lost cause: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-money17sep17,1,5736422.story?coll=la-headlines-nation&ctrack=1&cset=true September 17, 2005 latimes.com : National News Single page Print E-mail story Change text size KATRINA'S AFTERMATH Louisiana Officials Indicted Before Katrina Hit Federal audits found dubious expenditures by the state's emergency preparedness agency, which will administer FEMA hurricane aid. By Ken Silverstein and Josh Meyer, Times Staff Writers WASHINGTON - Senior officials in Louisiana's emergency planning agency already were awaiting trial over allegations stemming from a federal investigation into waste, mismanagement and missing funds when Hurricane Katrina struck. And federal auditors are still trying to track as much as $60 million in unaccounted for funds that were funneled to the state from the Federal Emergency Management Agency dating back to 1998. ADVERTISEMENT In March, FEMA demanded that Louisiana repay $30.4 million to the federal government. The problems are particularly worrisome, federal officials said, because they involve the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness, the agency that will administer much of the billions in federal aid anticipated for victims of Katrina. Earlier this week, federal Homeland Security officials announced they would send 30 investigators and auditors to the Gulf Coast to ensure relief funds were properly spent. Details of the ongoing criminal investigations come from two reports by the inspector general's office in the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, which oversees FEMA, as well as in state audits, and interviews this week with federal and state officials. The reports were prepared by the federal agency's field office in Denton, Texas, and cover 1998 to 2003. Improper expenditures previously identified by auditors include a parka, a briefcase and a trip to Germany. Much of the FEMA money that was unaccounted for was sent to Louisiana under the Hazard Mitigation Grant program, intended to help states retrofit property and improve flood control facilities, for example. The $30.4 million FEMA is demanding back was money paid into that program and others, including a program to buy out flood-prone homeowners. As much as $30 million in additional unaccounted for spending also is under review in audits that have not yet been released, according to a FEMA official. One 2003 federal investigation of allegedly misspent funds in Ouachita Parish, a district in northern Louisiana, grew into a probe that sprawled into more than 20 other parishes. Mark Smith, a spokesman for the Louisiana emergency office, said the agency had responded to calls for reform, and that "we now have the policy and personnel in place to ensure that past problems aren't repeated." He said earlier problems were largely administrative mistakes, not due to corruption. But federal officials disagreed. They said FEMA for years expressed concerns over patterns of improper management and lax oversight throughout the state agency, and said most problems had not been corrected. They point to criminal indictments of three state workers as evidence the problem was more than management missteps. Two other state emergency officials also were identified in court documents as unindicted co-conspirators. "The charges were made after some very extensive reviews by FEMA investigators and other authorities, who identified issues they felt were of the severity and magnitude to refer them to the U.S. attorney's office," said David Passey, the spokesman for FEMA's regional office in Texas. Passey, while acknowledging that the state had made some administrative changes, said it had not completed the kind of overhaul FEMA said was needed. "It concerns us a lot. We are devoted to the mission of helping people prepare for, prevent and recover from disasters and we want these federal funds - this taxpayer money - to be spent and used well and in accordance with the rules," he said. Keith Ashdown of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a Washington watchdog group, said recent Louisiana history showed that FEMA "money earmarked for saving lives and homes'' was instead squandered in "a cesspool of wasteful spending." Louisiana's emergency office receives money directly from FEMA. It passes on much of the funding to local governments that apply for assistance. The audit reports said state operating procedures increased the likelihood of fraud and corruption going undetected ------------------------------ From: "Stephen St." Subject: Re: Chainee to have surgery... Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 23:36:04 GMT "grtflmark" wrote in message news:1126999708.299704.57460@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > >Bill Sep 17, 3:15 pm show options > >>Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead >>From: "Bill" - Find messages by this author >>Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 19:15:42 GMT >>Local: Sat, Sep 17 2005 3:15 pm >>Subject: Re: Chainee to have surgery... >>Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show >> >original | Report Abuse > >>"Richard Morris" wrote in message > >>news:h7ydnQoffP0K_7HeRVn-sw@comcast.com... > >> "minnehaha" wrote in message >> news:dghnb8$4gja$1@netnews.upenn.edu... > >> > "Richard Morris" wrote in message >> > news:atqdnU0A8LAnwbHeRVn-hQ@comcast.com... > >> >> "Stephen St." wrote in message >> >> news:kDYWe.1572$2J3.454@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > >> >>> "DG" wrote in message >> >>> news:fdloi1dfs31huth146gpemjd7q2s361p8e@4ax.com... > >> >>>> Let's us pray to little baby jebus for infection, complication and >> >>>> >>>>>a shaky surgeon. > >> >>>> Go grim reaper! > >> >>> Thats some good karma your spreading there. Hope it doesnt come back > to >> >>> haunt you. >> >>> But it will. > >> >> Heh. How do you know that DG's wish isn't Chaney's karma coming bac >> >> to >> >> haunt *him*??? > >> > There is no such thing as "Karma". Unless of course you believe in >> > religion and deities and other such fairy tale crap. > >> Do you believe in evil? > >>>What I wonder is how much leeway does God give Satan. > > .... read "The Book of Job" for a scary take on that - and then read > Jung's "Answer to Job" for a real head-turner! And Job is just a bit too close to Jeb for my taste.... ------------------------------ Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! From: Sherry Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 23:42:33 GMT > are > you just throwing out yet more mud in a highly partisan attempt at take > the heat off of the Bush Adminstration and their piss-poor response to > the disaster? > > Or maybe it's some combination of all three: a lack of understading, a > prejudice to the point of blindess, and partisan mud-slinging > propaganda as well. I think you've hit the nail on the head, Ray. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ Subject: Re: DEW plates From: Sherry Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 23:52:37 GMT >>>>> them in Buffalo. i shit you not. at least i got one at the DMV on >>>>> Broadway last week. plus i have seen a couple since. yet another >>>>> great reason to head to buffalo. >>>> >>>> Will these be available in the afternoon? >>> >>> Does it matter? >> >> I guess it doesn't. > > Where have all the attributions gone? Oh come on now, Muffin. Aren't you paying attention? ;P Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .