From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #315 Dead-Flames Digest #315, Volume #48 Sat, 17 Sep 05 14:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! (DG) Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("Ray") Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! ("pv34pv3p") Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("pv34pv3p") Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! ("Richard Morris") beer (ndc) ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Phil W/ Ryan Adams ("volkfolk") Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! (DG) Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! (DG) Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! (DG) Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! (ba ba booie) Re: Chainee to have surgery... ("Stephen St.") Re: Louisiana Officials Indicted Before Katrina Hit ("Stephen St.") Re: Louisiana Officials Indicted Before Katrina Hit ("Stephen St.") Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! ("Stephen St.") Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! ("Stephen St.") Re: Taking food into Shoreline Amphitheatre... (Tom Beck) Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("pv34pv3p") Re: Dr. John last night at Tokyo Blue Note (Tom Beck) Re: Louisiana Officials Indicted Before Katrina Hit (Tom Beck) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DG Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:34:02 -0700 "pv34pv3p" wrote: > >>LOL... Ya little bitch... > >Could be a HUGE bitch for all you know... > >pv34pv3p(Quit diminshing people...) How about just "bitch"? ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 17 Sep 2005 12:34:33 -0700 pv34pv3p wrote: > there is no comparison...One was easy to deal > with...and not... So what part of: ________________________________ > How hard would it have been to send in 739 airconditioners? As you would've realized if you had done your homework before pretending to be knowledgeable enough to provide constructive criticism on this issue, it's not even close to being that simple. Besides the obvious fact that it would have been impossible to identify which 739 people out of the hundreds of thousands needed those air conditioners, and that many poor people couldn't afford to keep the air conditioners operating anyway, so many air-conditioners were being used during that heat wave that the city's electrical infrastructure was overwhelmed - a series of rolling blackouts left thousands without power. ________________________________ did you not understand? The fact is, esp. once the heat wave hit there wasn't all that much the feds could do. It wasn't like there was, oh, I dunno, a huge stadium full of tens of thousands of stranded, unprotected people who could have been readily evacuated - or at least protected - if the govt (at *any* level) had their shit together. > The other is almost incomprehensible...and wasn't > dealt with perfectly... "Wasn't dealt with perfectly" - LOL. Karl Rove gets paid the big bucks for downplaying horrific Bush Administration failures with rhetoric like this - what's your excuse? So PV, along with most of the rest of my post you avoided these questions: * Do you acknowledge that the Bush Adminstration's response during the first several days of the Katrina disaster was inexcusably poor? * And since you brought up federal intervention re- controlling heat wave fatalities, do you agree that the Bush Adminstration shouldn't have rolled back the Clinton Administration standards re- air conditioning units? And speaking of questions (and facts) that you are continuing to run away from (quite amusing to watch BTW, esp. from a guy who claims that those who disagree with him are in "retreat"), please directly answer these questions that I previously asked you to as well, thanks: * Why did you write "Don't start with that global warming shit again either..."? (A related question: Don't you think that the global warming is a relevent topic when discussing the hazards of heat waves?) * What gives you that impression that "most here don't recognize there are limits to what any emergency plan can accomplish"? Thanks in advance for your addressing these questions in a direct, clear, and straighforward manner instead of continuing to run away from them; thanks. Ray ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: 17 Sep 2005 12:41:45 -0700 DG wrote: >I've been intoxicated in public but never got arrested for it. Gotta try harder next time... My experience has been the cops usually offer you help and safety first..(whether you realize it not)...When you start callin' 'em a names like you do to a lot folks on the list... is when things get ugly... pv34pv3p ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 17 Sep 2005 12:46:12 -0700 >How about just "bitch"? See how easy that was.... pv34pv3p(The longest journey starts with the first step...) ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:46:28 -0700 "DG" wrote in message news:5froi1potnhuvbkjhs255r4888b3r45e6m@4ax.com... > Stephen St. wrote: >> >>DG wrote >> >>> pv34pv3p wrote: >>>> >>>>Oh...and none of us has ever been guilty of public intoxication??? >>> >>> >>> I haven't. >> >>Guess its a boring life being perfect. > > > I've been intoxicated in public but never got arrested for it. I would be willing to bet that many people have been technically intoxicated in public. Go out to dinner with your wife and share a bottle of wine and you are very likely intoxicated in public. But who would know? We don't have breathalyzers on every street corner. In reality, people don't get arrested for being intoxicated in public much .... they get arrested for being intoxicated in public and acting like a damned idiot behind it. R. ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: beer (ndc) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 19:46:04 GMT Does anyone still home brew? Or make their own wine? ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: Phil W/ Ryan Adams Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:48:28 -0400 "JonP" wrote in message news:4fvmi11ujkq78k0kc7d3phc98qhjlga6c2@4ax.com... > On 16 Sep 2005 09:38:27 -0700, "imsjry" wrote: > >>Too funny. I am listening to this right now at: >> >>http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=27791 >> >>I remember some guy here ripping on this show and Ryan Adams in >>particular but aside from the vocal trainwreck of Roses, I think it is >>a fantastic show. The Slipknot is amazing! The thing that bugs me is I >>can't tell the difference between Ryan and Jimmy's guitars. These shows >>need a soundboard source ASAP. Any luck on that happening in the >>future?? > > > Could i possibly get a trade or a b&p for a copy?..I cant download > stuff as i am still on a dial up connection... > Jonp Dude, Dial up is like so last century. Scot ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:56:53 -0700 Ray wrote: > >pv34pv3p wrote: >> there is no comparison...One was easy to deal >> with...and not... > >So what part of: >________________________________ > >> How hard would it have been to send in 739 airconditioners? > >As you would've realized if you had done your homework before >pretending to be knowledgeable enough to provide constructive criticism >on this issue, it's not even close to being that simple. Besides the >obvious fact that it would have been impossible to identify which 739 >people out of the hundreds of thousands needed those air conditioners, >and that many poor people couldn't afford to keep the air conditioners >operating anyway, so many air-conditioners were being used during that >heat wave that the city's electrical infrastructure was overwhelmed - a >series of rolling blackouts left thousands without power. >________________________________ > >did you not understand? > >The fact is, esp. once the heat wave hit there wasn't all that much the >feds could do. It wasn't like there was, oh, I dunno, a huge stadium >full of tens of thousands of stranded, unprotected people who could >have been readily evacuated - or at least protected - if the govt (at >*any* level) had their shit together. > >> The other is almost incomprehensible...and wasn't >> dealt with perfectly... > >"Wasn't dealt with perfectly" - LOL. Karl Rove gets paid the big bucks >for downplaying horrific Bush Administration failures with rhetoric >like this - what's your excuse? > >So PV, along with most of the rest of my post you avoided these >questions: > >* Do you acknowledge that the Bush Adminstration's response during the >first several days of the Katrina disaster was inexcusably poor? > >* And since you brought up federal intervention re- controlling heat >wave fatalities, do you agree that the Bush Adminstration shouldn't >have rolled back the Clinton Administration standards re- air >conditioning units? > >And speaking of questions (and facts) that you are continuing to run >away from (quite amusing to watch BTW, esp. from a guy who claims that >those who disagree with him are in "retreat"), please directly answer >these questions that I previously asked you to as well, thanks: > >* Why did you write "Don't start with that global warming shit again >either..."? (A related question: Don't you think that the global >warming is a relevent topic when discussing the hazards of heat waves?) > >* What gives you that impression that "most here don't recognize there >are limits to what any emergency plan can accomplish"? What accomplishments give you the arrogance to say "most here don't recognize there are limits to what any emergency plan can accomplish"? How do you know what "most" know? ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:58:59 -0700 pv34pv3p wrote: > >DG wrote: > >>I've been intoxicated in public but never got arrested for it. > >Gotta try harder next time... I was drinking with cops so getting arrested is not that likely. >My experience has been the cops usually offer you help and safety >first..(whether you realize it not)...When you start callin' 'em a >names like you do to a lot folks on the list... is when things get >ugly... What happens when you walk into a place and start spewing? ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:59:38 -0700 Richard Morris wrote: > >DG wrote > >> Stephen St. wrote: >>> >>>DG wrote >>> >>>> pv34pv3p wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Oh...and none of us has ever been guilty of public intoxication??? >>>> >>>> >>>> I haven't. >>> >>>Guess its a boring life being perfect. >> >> >> I've been intoxicated in public but never got arrested for it. > >I would be willing to bet that many people have been technically intoxicated >in public. Go out to dinner with your wife and share a bottle of wine and >you are very likely intoxicated in public. But who would know? We don't >have breathalyzers on every street corner. > >In reality, people don't get arrested for being intoxicated in public much >... they get arrested for being intoxicated in public and acting like a >damned idiot behind it. Right! I save my idiocy for usenet. ------------------------------ From: ba_ba_b00ie@webtv.net (ba ba booie) Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:59:22 -0400 The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! jrmorris@trouserscomcast.net wrote: In reality, people don't get arrested for being intoxicated in public much ... they get arrested for being intoxicated in public and acting like a damned idiot behind it. bbb wrote: He's right you know! My vote for, quote of the year. .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. Pollstar (The concert hotwire) http://www.pollstar.com ------------------------------ From: "Stephen St." Subject: Re: Chainee to have surgery... Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:09:52 GMT "Richard Morris" wrote in message news:h7ydnQoffP0K_7HeRVn-sw@comcast.com... > > "minnehaha" wrote in message > news:dghnb8$4gja$1@netnews.upenn.edu... >> >> "Richard Morris" wrote in message >> news:atqdnU0A8LAnwbHeRVn-hQ@comcast.com... >>> >>> "Stephen St." wrote in message >>> news:kDYWe.1572$2J3.454@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... >>>> >>>> "DG" wrote in message >>>> news:fdloi1dfs31huth146gpemjd7q2s361p8e@4ax.com... >>>>> >>>>> Let's us pray to little baby jebus for infection, complication and a >>>>> shaky surgeon. >>>>> >>>>> Go grim reaper! >>>> >>>> Thats some good karma your spreading there. Hope it doesnt come back to >>>> haunt you. >>>> But it will. >>> >>> Heh. How do you know that DG's wish isn't Chaney's karma coming bac to >>> haunt *him*??? >> >> >> There is no such thing as "Karma". Unless of course you believe in >> religion and deities and other such fairy tale crap. > > Do you believe in evil? Only once. It was leaning on the stage wall, 5/1/81...when after a smokin stranger > franklins tower, I heard the first bits of Lost Sailor...and for that one moment, Bob Weir was evil. ------------------------------ From: "Stephen St." Subject: Re: Louisiana Officials Indicted Before Katrina Hit Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:11:16 GMT "pv34pv3p" wrote in message news:1126982626.931008.108950@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >> As far as Bush perpetrating the most corrupt scheme in the history of >> the country.... >> Someone had to eventually put FDR in second place.... > >>Ladies and gentlemen, Archie Bunker!.. > > > That's enough out you meathead!!! Stifle ------------------------------ From: "Stephen St." Subject: Re: Louisiana Officials Indicted Before Katrina Hit Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:13:07 GMT "Bill" wrote in message news:URZWe.2919$5n4.207@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > "Stephen St." wrote in message > news:QjZWe.1580$2J3.975@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... >> >> "Richard Morris" wrote in message >> news:YKWdnYaNat8GwLHeRVn-3A@comcast.com... >> > >> > "Stephen St." wrote in message >> > news:InYWe.1564$2J3.1541@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... >> > >> > snip >> > >> >> Louisiana is, by far, the most politicially corrupt state in the > country. >> >> And now there is gonna be a few hundred billion dollars going down > there? >> > >> > Possibly ... but then Washington, DC is not technically a state. The >> > political corruption there is staggering. Unfortunately, the fox is >> > guarding the hen house at this point ... but that won't be the case >> > forever. >> >> I agree, but I didnt want to include the uber corrupt congress and >> senate. >> All of them by the way. >> >> > I suspect you voted for the corruption, however, so it probably doesn't >> > trouble you much. >> >> IMHO, anyone who voted anyone in office in DC voted for corruption. They > all >> suck. > > To put them all into the same basket is evidence of being pretty ignorant > of > the actions and interests of each of them. To put Tom Delay and Henry > Waxman or a lot of the other decent Democrats (John Conyers, many of the > Bay > Area Democrats) can only come from someone who isn't paying attention. Yes, but you appear to put all republicans into the same basket by mentioning only democrats as potential good guys. ------------------------------ From: "Stephen St." Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:15:49 GMT "DG" wrote in message news:5froi1potnhuvbkjhs255r4888b3r45e6m@4ax.com... > Stephen St. wrote: >> >>DG wrote >> >>> pv34pv3p wrote: >>>> >>>>Oh...and none of us has ever been guilty of public intoxication??? >>> >>> >>> I haven't. >> >>Guess its a boring life being perfect. > > > I've been intoxicated in public but never got arrested for it. Being guilty and getting arrested are not the same thing. Almost anyone who attended a GD show probably is guilty of being "intoxicated" in public. Intoxicated not being limited to alcohol of course ------------------------------ From: "Stephen St." Subject: Re: The Bush clan are a bunch of criminals! Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:16:50 GMT "Richard Morris" wrote in message news:0bmdnUxQKe4C77HenZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > In reality, people don't get arrested for being intoxicated in public much > ... they get arrested for being intoxicated in public and acting like a > damned idiot behind it. True. ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: Taking food into Shoreline Amphitheatre... Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:22:50 -0500 AirtimeJunkie wrote: > Is it still allowed? I have not been to the Shoreline Amphitheatre for > several years now and I can't seem to find any information on the > internet. I'll be in the third row for Steve Miller tonight and would > like to take something to eat since the show begins at 6:00 pm. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks! > > Kevin > There used to be a great little Mexican restaurant about 1.3 miles straight west of Shoreline. I suggest dining there first (if it's still open of course) and then making do with the great selection of beer they serve inside. Tom ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 17 Sep 2005 13:28:32 -0700 For Christ sake Ray...haven't ya been spanked enough already? OK....Deep breath... >As you would've realized if you had done your homework before >pretending to be knowledgeable enough to provide constructive criticism >on this issue, You didn't even fuckin' know it was an issue until I posted it...What were ya...6 or 7 at the time??? Quit acting like your 6 or 7 now.... >* Do you acknowledge that the Bush Adminstration's response during the >first several days of the Katrina disaster was inexcusably poor? Poor??? How 'bout less than ideal...'Bout as far as I'm gonna go being there was NO FUCKING RESPONSE from the local potato heads other than sittin' round shittin' their pants and pointing fingers...When you got 1 finger pointed a others there are always 3 ponted back at you... >* And since you brought up federal intervention re- controlling heat >wave fatalities, do you agree that the Bush Adminstration shouldn't >have rolled back the Clinton Administration standards re- air >conditioning units? As was pointed out earlier..they only apply to central units...Go ahead..Make the price of housing even further outa reach for marginalized people...Better to have them paying the increased electric bill in a house owned by the landlord, than their own? Rent money is spent money...real estate appreciates. Even with interest.. half or more is likely to come back to you eventually...I ain't necessarily giving W props for it. but during his administration the percent of people owning homes is higher than any other time in history... >And speaking of questions (and facts) that you are continuing to run >away from (quite amusing to watch BTW, esp. from a guy who claims that >those who disagree with him are in "retreat"), please directly answer >these questions that I previously asked you to as well, thanks: Someone decipher this drivel... >* Why did you write "Don't start with that global warming shit again >either..."? (A related question: Don't you think that the global >warming is a relevent topic when discussing the hazards of heat waves?) Heat waves been killin' people forever...1936 St. Louis... Until prolly 30 or 40 years ago, there was little that could be done....AC was outa reach for almost everyone...Same goes for Hurricane forcasting...Not really effective at the time...As far as global warming...Look dude...it's enough of a struggle to get your head this far out of your ass...We'll chew that fat some other day... >* What gives you that impression that "most here don't recognize there >are limits to what any emergency plan can accomplish"? Oh....I don't fuckin' know...Maybe it's because ya'll's knee jerk reaction to everything is it's Bush's fault...See Oppositional Defiant Disorder for further learning on this subject... >Thanks in advance for your addressing these questions in a direct, >clear, and straighforward manner instead of continuing to run away from >them; thanks. >Ray No Ray... Thank you Ray for the opportunity to try and dry the huge fucking wet spot behind your ears... pv3pv3p(Intervention's never pretty....) ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: Dr. John last night at Tokyo Blue Note Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:33:13 -0500 band beyond description wrote: > Though I've seen him several times before, mostly at free outdoor > festivals in Chicago and DC, it was a quite emotional performance at > close range in a nice room, evoking the spirit of New Orleans and all, > post-Katrina...though the whole set rollicked, particularly heartfelt > was the closer "Sweet Home New Orleans;" it looked to be cathartic both > for him and his backing band, the Lower 911, to be musical emissaries of > NOLA at this difficult time for NOLA. Dr. John's born & bred of course > in NOLA and has lived in NYC/L.I. for like 20-25 years, For goodness sake, why does "The Night Tripper" live in NYC? ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: Louisiana Officials Indicted Before Katrina Hit Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:37:15 -0500 pv34pv3p wrote: >>Half of Louisiana is under water, and the other half is under indictment". > > > Nothin' really new 'cept the depth of the water...;~} > > Is Tauzin "formally" under indictment, or was he "formerly" under? > > > Its Louisiana! The state where the last 3 state insurance > commissioners are > all currently in prison. > > http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2000/printer_520.shtml > > pv34pv3p(And at least one Governor...but that could/should change soon > too...) Never really thought it would be the kind of place I'd want to live, but have always wanted to visit to see the "real" NO. Looks like my chance for that is gone. I genuinely did cry when I saw what happened to that city. Tom ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .