From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #307 Dead-Flames Digest #307, Volume #48 Fri, 16 Sep 05 22:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: Why do mangers & players wear the same uniform? ("Neil X.") Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Why do mangers & players wear the same uniform? ("jmw11") Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson ("BlackMonk") Re: Why do mangers & players wear the same uniform? (Ken Fortenberry) Re: Why do mangers & players wear the same uniform? (Tom Beck) Dicks Pick 10 is Mashing my Potatas! ("Dave Kelly") FS: Comes a Time pair up-front ("Andrew Gustin") Re: Dicks Pick 10 is Mashing my Potatas! ("ck") Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("The Iron Muffin") Re: Why do mangers & players wear the same uniform? (Tim Donohoe) Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? (Tim Donohoe) Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson ("donz5") Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... (band beyond description) Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson ("The Thurston Howller") Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson ("BlackMonk") Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... (band beyond description) Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("jmw11") Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) (band beyond description) Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson ("donz5") Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt (Brad Greer) Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson ("BlackMonk") A memorable guitar ("ck") Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson ("BlackMonk") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil X." Subject: Re: Why do mangers & players wear the same uniform? Date: 16 Sep 2005 19:48:56 -0700 > ba ba booie wrote: > > Why is baseball the only sport where the manger dresses like the > players? This came about mostly because Rick Majerus looks really scary in a tank top..... HTH, Neil X. ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:55:11 GMT "Ray" wrote in message ... Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > This was sent to me from my cousin in Mississipi.... > > An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made > Disaster of the Welfare State > > > > An Objectivist Review > > > > > > by Robert Tracinski | The Intellectual Activist > > > > September 2, 2005 > > > > It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to > figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame > them, because it has also taken me four long days to figure out what is > going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if > you think that we are confronting a natural disaster. Sure it does, at least if one subscribes to the Heart of Darkness belief about the human soul - that beneath the shiny veneer of civilization lies human savagery, which is only kept in check (much of the time, anyway) by societal constraints. And when those constraints go away the savagery erupts - one need only to look at human behavior during war or even during a major blackout -- to see this. ************************************************* Yes, it's similar to Maslow's heirarchy of needs. a.. Self Actualization Needs (full potential) a.. Ego Needs (self respect, personal worth, autonomy) a.. Social Needs (love, friendship, comradeship) a.. Security Needs (protection from danger) a.. Physiological Needs (warmth, shelter, food) You remember this pyramid that is used to describe parent/child bonding? It starts with physiological needs and once those are achieved you address security, and so on. You can apply this same principle to anything. Take for example, you start an internship and in the first week, the mentor doesn't know where he's gonna put you. So you have no office space, no desk, no where to sit and zone, no phone, no computer.... how productively will you work when your basic needs for doing the job can't be met? Do you get the sense of belonging and that you fit in? So yeah, if it had been me and my family at the super dome, and I had no money, no clean water to give my children, no idea where I was going to go... I KNOW I would've resorted to savagery! ------------------------------ From: "jmw11" Subject: Re: Why do mangers & players wear the same uniform? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:08:44 -0400 Who cares. Go Tribe! "ba ba booie" wrote in message news:22282-432B7FA2-387@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net... > Why is baseball the only sport where the manger dresses like the > players? > It looks kinda weird??? > > Just wondering? > > > > booie....... > > > > . > > . > Have you checked these sites out today? > http://www.jambase.com > http://www.jambands.com > http://www.jambase.com/festivals > . > Find out where your favorite band is playing. > Pollstar (The concert hotwire) http://www.pollstar.com > ------------------------------ From: "BlackMonk" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:16:53 -0400 "macca281F" wrote in message news:1126924094.659733.314640@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > < know the > gossip about Mike Love. IMO, that's tasteless. >>BlackMonk > > Whatever...I wasn't trying to offend anyone. Some of you guys take > this way to seriously. I admitted that I wasn't BB expert, and I just > thought I'd share a little snippet. Sorry it wadded up your panties. > You really can't take criticism, can you? You were wrong, I pointed that out. No need for you to be defensive. It seems you don't understand how you were wrong, so I'll try to make it clearer for you. 1. You thought "God Only Knows" was Carl's song for his wife. However, Brian Wilson was the one who wrote the song, and he did so long before Carl was married. 2. You assumed Mike Love sang it. However, the song it pitched too high for a baritone. You claim not to be trying to offend anyone. However, you throw around terms like "asshole" and "tasteless" based on erroneous assumptions. That's your right, but if you choose to do so, you really shouldn't allow your own panties to get so wadded up when someone has a less than glowing opinion of your post. ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: Why do mangers & players wear the same uniform? Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 03:16:48 GMT ba ba booie wrote: > Why is baseball the only sport where the manger dresses like the > players? Because sometimes the manager *is* a player. Pete Rose was player-manager of the Cincinnati Reds not so long ago, what, twenty years ago ? > It looks kinda weird??? Dude, Tommy Lasorda stuffed into a baseball costume is not kinda weird, it's fuckin' grotesque. We're talkin' Sweetbac in a thong and tassled pasties grotesque. -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: Why do mangers & players wear the same uniform? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:22:08 -0500 ba ba booie wrote: > Why is baseball the only sport where the manger dresses like the > players? > It looks kinda weird??? > > Just wondering? > > > > booie....... Because he's part of the team. Tom ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Dicks Pick 10 is Mashing my Potatas! Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 03:19:52 GMT ....Love the whole shebang!....but disc 3 with the "Terrapin>Johnny B Goode>Estimated Prophet> Eyes of the World>St.Stephen>Sugar Magnolia from the December '77 NYE run at Winterland has just hit a nerve! Check it! Sweetbac SunFlower ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Gustin" Subject: FS: Comes a Time pair up-front Date: 16 Sep 2005 20:27:30 -0700 I have a pair of the $250 Rex Foundation tickets, in the first few rows. Unfortunately looks like I can't make it to the show. If interested in the tix, please send me an email. I'm in the South Bay. thanks, Andy ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: Dicks Pick 10 is Mashing my Potatas! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:27:47 -0400 "Dave Kelly" wrote in message news:sXLWe.1624$Jm.859@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > ...Love the whole shebang!....but disc 3 with the > "Terrapin>Johnny B Goode>Estimated Prophet> > Eyes of the World>St.Stephen>Sugar Magnolia > from the December '77 NYE run at Winterland > has just hit a nerve! > Check it! > > Sweetbac SunFlower > > i went to the release party they held in Revere,Ma at the Wonderland Ballroom with David Ganz. Good times:)They must have borrowed the amps from Spinal Tap. ------------------------------ Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:34:30 -0400 YoMama wrote: > Are you at all interested in a rational discussion of an opinion > that differs from yours, or do you only like to talk to people > that agree with you? You attack people, not debate. I am not interested in discussion with this "pv34pv3p" troll, and certainly not with you. > Regarding your attempt at a posting, my neighbor's six-year- > old son - the one that still picks his nose - couldn't have done > better. #That means a lot coming from you.# -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ From: Tim Donohoe Subject: Re: Why do mangers & players wear the same uniform? Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 03:28:59 GMT ba ba booie wrote: > Why is baseball the only sport where the manger dresses like the > players? > It looks kinda weird??? > > Just wondering? > Something about nobody without a uniform being allowed on the field, they should make an exception for any coach who is taller when he lays down. ------------------------------ From: Tim Donohoe Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 03:30:13 GMT Neil X. wrote: >>Dave Kelly wrote: >> >>* From the reports I've been getting from Boston....the ONLY thing you >>been able to keep straight is the thong > > > > That reminds me, I was at a genomics convention this week, saw > something I'd never seen before. There was an actual hooker at a > science meeting. I mean, she was just sitting at one of the tables set > up near the free coffee, cruising for nerds, wearing three inch > mini-skirt and five inch heels. She was one bored and > disappointed-looking businesswoman. Molecular biologists aren't > exactly famous for their "Whataever Happens in Vegas" attitudes. There > might actually be a book in this tale--"The Lonely Hooker." Actually, > more like a video, and not one you could get at Blockbuster........ > > Peace, > Neil X. > How was she? I guess you feel lucky that you spotted her first. ------------------------------ From: "donz5" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: 16 Sep 2005 20:30:42 -0700 BlackMonk wrote to macca: >You really can't take criticism, can you? You didn't offer criticism; you attacked. >You were wrong, I pointed that >out. No need for you to be defensive. You put him on the defensive. >1. You thought "God Only Knows" was Carl's song for his wife. However, Brian >Wilson was the one who wrote the song, and he did so long before Carl was >married. Consider the possibility that Carl had been dedicating his performance of the song to his wife. >2. You assumed Mike Love sang it. However, the song it pitched too high for a baritone. Consider the possibility that Mike quite conceivably performed the song in honor of then-recently-deceased Carl. And, at any rate, Macca was simply reporting what someone who worked with the band had related to him. >You claim not to be trying to offend anyone. However, you throw around terms >like "asshole" and "tasteless" based on erroneous assumptions. Selective outrage. Macca was responding to attacks on him. And the "erroneous assumptions" just might be on your end. You have no possible idea whether Mike might have performed the song in honor of Carl, or if Carl had indeed dedicated the song to his wife. You're assuming that both details (again, passed on to Macca from someone who worked with the group) are wrong with no basis in fact. ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:53:03 +0900 > > Have you no shame, Steve?...have you NO shame? > > Sweetpants brrrrppppp. another Franziskaner, DAve! -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "The Thurston Howller" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:50:55 +1000 Reply-To: "The Thurston Howller" "BlackMonk" wrote in message news:432b8aa0$0$18645$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > > "macca281F" wrote in message > news:1126924094.659733.314640@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > < > know the > > gossip about Mike Love. IMO, that's tasteless. >>BlackMonk > > > > Whatever...I wasn't trying to offend anyone. Some of you guys take > > this way to seriously. I admitted that I wasn't BB expert, and I just > > thought I'd share a little snippet. Sorry it wadded up your panties. > > > > You really can't take criticism, can you? What a hypocrite. You didnt " offer criticism" you lunkhead, you attacked the other poster > It seems you don't understand how you were wrong, so I'll try to make it > clearer for you. > > 1. You thou Note to "macca28if", dont pay any mind to this "BlackMonk" idiot, he's a well known asshole around these parts.....;0) ------------------------------ From: "BlackMonk" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:53:43 -0400 "donz5" wrote in message news:1126927842.493163.192890@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > BlackMonk wrote to macca: > > >>You really can't take criticism, can you? > > > You didn't offer criticism; you attacked. > He deserved it. What he posted was no better than repeating "Paul is an asshole" or "John is an asshole." > >>You were wrong, I pointed that >>out. No need for you to be defensive. > > > You put him on the defensive. > If he's going to make trollish posts, what does he expect? > >>1. You thought "God Only Knows" was Carl's song for his wife. However, >>Brian >>Wilson was the one who wrote the song, and he did so long before Carl was >>married. > > > Consider the possibility that Carl had been dedicating his performance > of the song to his wife. > He didn't say that. He suggest that The Beach Boys had no right to perform one of their songs and that it was tasteless for them to do so. Consider the possibility that they kept it in the set as a tribute to Carl. Do you think that would be tasteless? > >>2. You assumed Mike Love sang it. However, the song it pitched too high >>for > a baritone. > > > Consider the possibility that Mike quite conceivably performed the song > in honor of then-recently-deceased Carl. Consider the possibility that Al or Bruce would have sung it, since they have more suitable ranges. And, at any rate, Macca was > simply reporting what someone who worked with the band had related to > him. > No, he was making judgements based on his story. > >>You claim not to be trying to offend anyone. However, you throw around >>terms >>like "asshole" and "tasteless" based on erroneous assumptions. > > > Selective outrage. Macca was responding to attacks on him. Mike Love was the person he called asshole and tasteless. I don't think Mike Love attacked him. In fact, I doubt he even posts to this group. And the > "erroneous assumptions" just might be on your end. The facts suggest otherwise. You have no possible > idea whether Mike might have performed the song in honor of Carl, or if > Carl had indeed dedicated the song to his wife. You're assuming that > both details (again, passed on to Macca from someone who worked with > the group) are wrong with no basis in fact. > Why would Mike sing a song that's not in his range when there are other singers in the band better qualified to sing the song? It IS a fact that both Al and Bruce have ranges better suited for "God Only Knows" than Al. It's also a fact that Mike doesn't sing it when they do it live. That IS a basis in fact. You should read more closely. The suggestion that Mike sang it was Macca's own, NOT passed on from someone who worked with the group. ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:56:27 +0900 On 2005-09-17 10:56:34 +0900, JimK said: > So Markie, did you get the info you were looking for? > > JimK i think so; he left the thread after "man spunk." -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "jmw11" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:06:54 -0400 Wow, hold on. A hurricane is going to destroy anything in it's path. That cannot be stopped. A heat wave destroys nothing physical as far as possessions...houses, cars, etc.... How can they possibly be compared? "Ray" wrote in message news:1126850740.731290.118420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > pv34pv3p wrote: > > I never attacked Clinton...Just pointed out the disparity in the media > > response... > > In case you didn't notice, unlike what happened with Katrinka what > happened in Chicago didn't destroy an entire major city, didn't result > in the displacement of tens if not hundreds of thousands of people, > didn't render tens of thousands of people if not more homeless, and > didn't result in $100-billion+ in damages. > > Also re- the media response: the media gave Bush a free ride for years > - I'm glad they're finally showing some cajones and are actually > reporting the news instead of just being for the most part diseminators > of government propaganda (Fox excepted, of course). > > Ray > ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:10:46 +0900 >> someone sent me that by e-mail, with the source listed as The Washington Times, meaning I immediately discarded it as "intellectually" suspect. -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "donz5" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: 16 Sep 2005 21:19:36 -0700 Blackmonk wrote: >He deserved it. Then again, he didn't. You decided to play bully for reasons understood only by you. >What he posted was no better than repeating "Paul is an >asshole" or "John is an asshole." He wrote nothing of the sort. You're inventing an excuse to bully him. >If he's going to make trollish posts, what does he expect? You're again making false assumptions. I found nothing "trollish" about his post. >> Consider the possibility that Carl had been dedicating his performance >> of the song to his wife. >He didn't say that. He suggested precisely that: "Interesting story...my friend did some tour work with the BBs, and was it Carl who did that song? =A0In any case, whichever one it was, right after he died, the BBs were oin tour, and Carl's wife was in the audience. =A0Apparently God Only Knows was his song to her, but now someone else (probably jackass Mike Love) sang it and she ran out in tears. =A0Very tasteless, IMO." You elected to interpret his post in a gratuitously bullying manner. >He suggest that The Beach Boys had no right to perform >one of their songs and that it was tasteless for them to do so. What post is this? I never read any such suggestion. You're now drawing conclusions on words never written. >Consider the possibility that they kept it in the set as a tribute to Carl. >Do you think that would be tasteless? That's not what Macca wrote, so it's an irrelevant argument. >> Consider the possibility that Mike quite conceivably performed the song >> in honor of then-recently-deceased Carl. >Consider the possibility that Al or Bruce would have sung it, since they >have more suitable ranges. The point is -- you don't know who sang it. And you're making assumptions who did. >Why would Mike sing a song that's not in his range when there are other >singers in the band better qualified to sing the song? It IS a fact that >both Al and Bruce have ranges better suited for "God Only Knows" than Al. >It's also a fact that Mike doesn't sing it when they do it live. That IS a >basis in fact. And again -- you have no idea who sang it that night. >You should read more closely. The suggestion that Mike sang it was Macca's >own, NOT passed on from someone who worked with the group. And, third time, it just might have been Mike who sang it. You simply don't know that he definitely didn't that night. And if Mike _hadn't_ sung it, you were still out of line blasting Macca for posting his thoughts. ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:26:06 -0400 On 16 Sep 2005 12:59:11 -0700, "Carlisle" wrote: > >Brad Greer wrote: >> On 15 Sep 2005 22:13:24 -0700, "Carlisle" >> wrote: >> >"By the way, we're taking the good pot, too." Not so fast, hombre. >> >That's what you think. You've apparently never had the Kentucky >> >Chronic. Besides, we got all the good bourbon and whiskey. And that's >> >the DAMN TRUTH!! Anyway as my old boss used to say, "Don't let the door >> >hit you on the ass on your way out." ;} >> >peace and awe, >> >cpc >> >> While I'm sure good pot is grown in Kentucky I'll be happy with the >> Blue State product. As to bourbon, well, that's an issue but I can't >> see you Red Staters not exporting it. > >And I can't see you Blue Staters not importing it. > > No need for a flame war, we'll also import French wines :) ------------------------------ From: "BlackMonk" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:26:21 -0400 "The Thurston Howller" wrote in message news:dgg3vn$s50$0@pita.alt.net... > > "BlackMonk" wrote in message > news:432b8aa0$0$18645$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... >> >> "macca281F" wrote in message >> news:1126924094.659733.314640@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... >> > <> > know the >> > gossip about Mike Love. IMO, that's tasteless. >>BlackMonk >> > >> > Whatever...I wasn't trying to offend anyone. Some of you guys take >> > this way to seriously. I admitted that I wasn't BB expert, and I just >> > thought I'd share a little snippet. Sorry it wadded up your panties. >> > >> >> You really can't take criticism, can you? > > What a hypocrite. > > You didnt " offer criticism" you lunkhead, you attacked the other poster > So did you. > > >> It seems you don't understand how you were wrong, so I'll try to make it >> clearer for you. >> >> 1. You thou > > Note to "macca28if", dont pay any mind to this "BlackMonk" idiot, he's a > well known asshole around these parts.....;0) And you're not? ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: A memorable guitar Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:28:16 -0400 http://homepage.mac.com/uburoi/PhotoAlbum15.html I was looking at these pictures of this '68/9 Gibson Les Paul and was thinking about all those mind blowing( i had to pick some superlative adejctive)jams Jerry played on something like this.A truely awe inspiring contemplation.. ------------------------------ From: "BlackMonk" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:38:58 -0400 "donz5" wrote in message news:1126930776.720178.292010@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... Blackmonk wrote: >He deserved it. You didn't actually read his post, did you? >What he posted was no better than repeating "Paul is an >asshole" or "John is an asshole." In his own words "(probably jackass Mike Love) " "Jackass" is real different from "asshole," isn't it? >If he's going to make trollish posts, what does he expect? "(probably jackass Mike Love) " >> Consider the possibility that Carl had been dedicating his performance >> of the song to his wife. >He didn't say that. He suggested precisely that: "Interesting story...my friend did some tour work with the BBs, and was it Carl who did that song? In any case, whichever one it was, right after he died, the BBs were oin tour, and Carl's wife was in the audience. Apparently God Only Knows was his song to her, but now someone else (probably jackass Mike Love) sang it and she ran out in tears. Very tasteless, IMO." You elected to interpret his post in a gratuitously bullying manner. >He suggest that The Beach Boys had no right to perform >one of their songs and that it was tasteless for them to do so. You just quoted him saying "very tasteless, IMO" >Consider the possibility that they kept it in the set as a tribute to Carl. >Do you think that would be tasteless? Now you're saying he didn't write "very tasteless?" He did, but if you didn't think so, why did you put it in your quote? >> Consider the possibility that Mike quite conceivably performed the song >> in honor of then-recently-deceased Carl. >Consider the possibility that Al or Bruce would have sung it, since they >have more suitable ranges. The point is -- you don't know who sang it. And you're making assumptions who did. The point is, there's no reason they would change the key and arrangement on short notice for Mike to sing it when they had singers perfectly capable of singing it at the original pitch. Remember, the Beach Boys touring group is fairly large for a rock band. >Why would Mike sing a song that's not in his range when there are other >singers in the band better qualified to sing the song? It IS a fact that >both Al and Bruce have ranges better suited for "God Only Knows" than Al. >It's also a fact that Mike doesn't sing it when they do it live. That IS a >basis in fact. And again -- you have no idea who sang it that night. Again, I have a very good idea. It's not in Mike's range, Bruce sings in in the current band, Al usually sang Pet Sounds material in the past. There's no reason to think Mike sang it that night. Macca's friend didn't even tell him Mike sang it, that was his guess. A guess that, as it turns out, is unreasonable in light of the facts. >You should read more closely. The suggestion that Mike sang it was Macca's >own, NOT passed on from someone who worked with the group. I know that he probably didn't sing it. Do you leap to Francie's defense every time someone criticizes her for trashing Paul? ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .