From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #305 Dead-Flames Digest #305, Volume #48 Fri, 16 Sep 05 17:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: NDC Bush's speech last night ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: bush sweats it out haha (Andy Gefen) Re: Speaking of horns... ("marklaw") Re: Anyone wanna go to The San Gennaro festival in NYC? ("Dave Kelly") Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Speaking of horns... ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Anyone wanna go to The San Gennaro festival in NYC? ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: DEW plates ("The Iron Muffin") Re: Koons-Garcia has a new film ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Anyone wanna go to The San Gennaro festival in NYC? ("Dave Kelly") Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson ("BlackMonk") Re: NDC Bush's speech last night ("The Iron Muffin") Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("The Iron Muffin") Re: Longest Playin'? ("Stephen St.") Re: What does the Bush Adminstration have to do with cutting federal spending? ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Longest Playin'? (pbuzby2002@yahoo.com) Re: bush sweats it out haha ("Richard Morris") Re: bush sweats it out haha ("Richard Morris") Re: Condi, can I go wee wee ? ("Richard Morris") Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Ray") Re: information on candace brightman...? ("Richard Morris") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:24:52 -0400 LP wrote: > > leftie wrote: > > Mizshely wrote: > > snip! > > > > Mizshely: HatefulNarc is a bug-eyed fuckwit and you don't want him > > within 200 miles of a David Nelson show. > > > > Trust me on this. > > This is the PERFECT setup for mark & joe to meet in the intimate > confines of a tavern.... PLEASE for the LOVE OF GOD don't try to stop > it!!!! Two peas in a big, crazy pod... ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:34:40 -0400 Rogues Island's finest wrote: > > LP wrote: > > No doubt the BEST entertainment possible in SF would be a David Nelson > > Band show, and a personal meeting between JOE and MARK!!!!!!!! > > > > I'd PAY to be there and watch.... > > I'm afraid it would be the biggest disappointment since the Jim Nabors > film festival. Both of them would be cowering in the corner hoping > that neither knew who the other was. > > Wait, that might be fun too. *heh* They'd look like a pair of quivering chihuahuas. Either way tho, the only thing that could possibly make that meeting of the minds better is if Brett "The Sweat" Meisner showed up with his clip-on sunglasses. Hopefully, Mark will remember to wear flowers in his hair... ~Ted ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: NDC Bush's speech last night Date: 16 Sep 2005 14:57:40 -0700 imsjry wrote: >That speech > was nothing more than damage contol and he didn't write a word of it. BINGO!!! It did however ALMOST sound like he was FINALLY admitting that it is POSSIBLE for him to make some sort of error, and that IS somewhat refreshing however slightly!! Rick P.S. Naw. Nevermind. Damage control. ------------------------------ From: Andy Gefen Subject: Re: bush sweats it out haha Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:00:41 -0400 On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:39:43 -0400, "Don Bean" wrote: >Dont you just love to see Bush wiggle and squirm when he has to do things >from the middle instead of his comfortable far right... Hes been governing >from his base for so long that now he looks sooo out of touch... Lame duck >is too nice for this guy.... >Bean > If you want to see Bush literally sweating after his speech: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050916/ids_photos_ts/r1497102642.jpg And for good measure, here's a picture of him writing a note to Condi Rice asking if he can go to the bathroom: http://photos.reuters.com/Pictures/ViewImage.aspx?type=News¤tPicture=2&photoName=galleries/newspictures/2005-09-14T201816Z_01_UNS93D_RTRIDSP_2_SUMMIT-UN.jpg -- Andy (remove z's to respond) ------------------------------ From: "marklaw" Subject: Re: Speaking of horns... Date: 16 Sep 2005 15:02:27 -0700 If a sax qualifies as a horn section, how about Ratdog? Or George Thorogood and the Destroyers? The Beatles (Got to Get You Into My Life). ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: Anyone wanna go to The San Gennaro festival in NYC? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:05:47 GMT "ba ba booie" wrote in message news:6289-432B3AAB-533@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net... > San Gennaro - Little Italy NYC the Feast of San Gennaro > WARNING!!! > YOU MUST LIKE ITALIAN FOOD!!! Thanks for the heads up, Boo Boo! I just assumed it was going to be the usual KoreanBBQ fare they always have served at the "Feast of San Gennaro Festival in Little Italy"...let me TELL ya...those old Italian dudes know they way AROUND some Kim Chee! See ya there? ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:06:53 GMT "Stuknot" <> wrote in message ... I found it offensive. John H. **************** I did too. ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Speaking of horns... Date: 16 Sep 2005 15:07:27 -0700 the.stugots@gmail.com wrote: > Can anyone name a traditional 'rock' band where a horn section does > work? > -m I didn't bother responding to this or that other thread about horns and rock-n-roll before cuz everybody pretty much had all the bases covered: Chicago, Blood, Sweat, and Tears, etc. but one thing I haven't seen mentioned(forgive me it I overlooked it): Way back when there was this British group that put out this album called "Quadrophenia". I think they were called "The Who"!!!!!! ;D Rick ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Anyone wanna go to The San Gennaro festival in NYC? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:16:58 GMT "Dave Kelly" <> wrote in message "ba ba booie" > wrote in message > San Gennaro - Little Italy NYC the Feast of San Gennaro > WARNING!!! > YOU MUST LIKE ITALIAN FOOD!!! Thanks for the heads up, Boo Boo! ******************************* Where's the famous signature... Sweet Peppers? ------------------------------ Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Subject: Re: DEW plates Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:33:03 -0400 > > > > just a heads up to anyone lookin to register a car in the WNY > > > > area...they are currently giving out plates with the letters "DEW" on > > > > them in Buffalo. i shit you not. at least i got one at the DMV on > > > > Broadway last week. plus i have seen a couple since. yet another > > > > great reason to head to buffalo. > > > > > > Will these be available in the afternoon? > > > > Does it matter? > > I guess it doesn't. Where have all the attributions gone? -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Koons-Garcia has a new film Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:28:23 GMT "george snyder"> wrote in message ... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/11/07/LVG709K7MV1.DTL *********************** Um, is it just MY computer.... or was this last years news? ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: Anyone wanna go to The San Gennaro festival in NYC? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:31:59 GMT "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message news:uvHWe.923$gK.342@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net... > Thanks for the heads up, Boo Boo! > ******************************* > Where's the famous signature... Sweet Peppers? > * sorry about that, Roxie...I like to keep it as simple as possible when dealing with the Boo Bear... anyways, hey....I'm sorry I've been out of touch for soo long ......been busy.....work ...kids...you know how THAT go Hmm?.....oh yeah!......here ya go: What are you wearing right about now? Feel better?......I THOUGHT so! Sweet-Pants ------------------------------ From: "BlackMonk" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:35:03 -0400 "macca281F" wrote in message news:1126852573.488064.94030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > < rate. When you get the chance, have a listen to "Surf's Up," and > perhaps you'll hear how un "beach" music it really is. Or > "Cabinessence" or "God Only Knows." Or "Wonderful." Or "Heroes and > Villains." Or "Til I Die." >>Donz > > Thanks, I'll do that. God Only Knows is very early though, isn't it? > It is beautiful, and I believe Paul referred to it as the perfect pop > song. Interesting story...my friend did some tour work with the BBs, > and was it Carl who did that song? In any case, whichever one it was, > right after he died, the BBs were oin tour, and Carl's wife was in the > audience. Apparently God Only Knows was his song to her, but now > someone else (probably jackass Mike Love) sang it and she ran out in > tears. Very tasteless, IMO. > I see. You don't know much about Brian Wilson's music, but you do know the gossip about Mike Love. IMO, that's tasteless. To correct a couple of points, Carl sang it, but Brian wrote it long before Carl was married, and Mike Love is a baritone, so it's very unlikely that he's the one who sang it. ------------------------------ Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Subject: Re: NDC Bush's speech last night Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:46:05 -0400 brew ziggins wrote: > I thought it was his Best Speech Ever. > > Given that his previous addresses have ranged from infuriatingly inept > to merely abysmal, this isn't saying much, but I thought he actually > came within shouting distance of being presidential. And there was > Actual Content(tm). > > That said, his "I'm responsible" act, however welcome, was superficial > at best, there was a kinda frightening "faith based initiative" > component (seems like he intends to funnel some funds through the > choich), and, as has been widely noted, the only likely way to pay for > it will be to go deeper into debt to the Chinese, who may ask for, say, > Oregon, as collateral. Can we just give them Texas and call it even? -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:53:31 -0400 pv34pv3p wrote: > minnehaha wrote: > > weak > > Weaker... You are the weakest link. You are also a douchebag. Goodbye. -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ From: "Stephen St." Subject: Re: Longest Playin'? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:53:27 GMT "brew ziggins" wrote in message news:MPG.1d94e8e1c0b26769897d4@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu... > Thus spake amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.... >> "Kirk McElhearn" wrote in message >> news:1h303rg.1m19q12knf78oN%kirk@mcelhearn.com... >> > Anyone know offhand what the longest Playin' is? >> > >> > Kirk >> >> 5/21/74 Edmundsun Pavilion, UDub, Seattle >> >> Clocks in at over 45 minutes, and besides being long, is also very >> good... >> >> This show is also "famous" (ugh) for having one of only two, I believe, >> live performances of "Money Money".. > > Actually there were three, 5/17,5/19 and 5/21 > > Guess they got it out of their system in a hurry. I read somewhere that Weir couldnt get Donna to sing it more than a few times, as the womens movement was in full swing. ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: What does the Bush Adminstration have to do with cutting federal spending? Date: 16 Sep 2005 16:07:45 -0700 Ray wrote: > One of the things that I find laughable about this article is the > writer's characterization here that "Bush and his Republican allies in > Congress are casting aside budget discipline" -- as if they had somehow > been exercising budget discipline before Katrina. > Ray Ding ding ding ding ding!!! Once again Ray, you hit the nail on the head! Toldja ya'aight!! and again: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=124324&page=5 Rick ------------------------------ From: pbuzby2002@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Longest Playin'? Date: 16 Sep 2005 16:10:05 -0700 Stephen St. wrote: > I read somewhere that Weir couldnt get Donna to sing it more than a few > times, as the womens movement was in full swing. There was a Donna interview from DDN circa '97 where she said that Keith hated the song, but didn't mention disliking it herself. According to a Weir quote in David Gans's book Playing In The Band, a few band members didn't like the lyrics. Pat Buzby Chicago, IL ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: bush sweats it out haha Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:17:50 -0700 "JimK" wrote in message news:6foli19sl06j0ovbl1bj0vaflpr52hk9o8@4ax.com... > On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:00:21 -0700, "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" > wrote: > >> >>"Don Bean" wrote in message >>news:8ayWe.708$gE7.372@fe08.lga... >>> Dont you just love to see Bush wiggle and squirm when he has to do >>> things >>> from the middle instead of his comfortable far right... Hes been >>> governing >>> from his base for so long that now he looks sooo out of touch... Lame >>> duck >>> is too nice for this guy.... >>> Bean >> >> >>His answer to everything is to throw gigantic amounts of money at it. >>This >>"conservative" president is responsible for the biggest spending sprees >>and >>the biggest expansion of the federal government since FDR. >> >>All I wanted the feds to do was to help evacuate old and sick people >>before >>the storm, and to provide toilets, food, water, and some temporary housing >>to the survivors of the storm. >> >>They couldn't do any of the above. >> >>So now Bush is gonna build an Emerald City and end the cycle of poverty on >>the Gulf Coast, spending hundreds of billions to make millionaires out of >>hordes of attorneys, lobbyists, and corporate profiteers (gotta have more >>tax breaks). It sounded like he was also planning on handing out million >>dollar checks, free college tuition, and nice new homes to anyone remotely >>affected by the storm. >> >>I guess he thinks if he sends the government further into bankruptcy the >>critics will cut him some slack. In other words, his proclaimed belief in >>small government is exposed as a big lie once again; as long as his poll >>numbers recover he doesn't care about the taxpayers who will be footing >>the >>bill for this massive series of expenditures. >> >>Oh, and I bet ultra conservative Haley Barbour now has a new perspective >>on >>sucking at the federal teat. No amount will be enough, no effort too >>great >>to help Mississippi recover. He won't sit still until every resident of >>his state is sitting in their new 4,000 sq foot home, paid for by the >>federal government, with every child in Harvard, paid for by the federal >>government, with a new Hummer in the drive way, paid for by the federal >>government, and a nice new business down at the nice new strip mall, all >>paid for by the federal government. >> >>All they had to do was send in some trucks with porta potties, food, and >>water and none of this would be necessary! >> >>EGBH >> > Georgie just wants everybody to like him. Well, he's fucked that up too. R. > That's why he throws money > at all these problems, and that's why he never holds anybody > accountable for their screwups. > > JimK ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: bush sweats it out haha Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:21:05 -0700 "Stephen St." wrote in message news:5%EWe.2430$Op3.1669@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... > > "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" wrote in message > news:86BWe.7$aB1.1133@eagle.america.net... >> >> "Don Bean" wrote in message >> news:8ayWe.708$gE7.372@fe08.lga... >>> Dont you just love to see Bush wiggle and squirm when he has to do >>> things from the middle instead of his comfortable far right... Hes been >>> governing from his base for so long that now he looks sooo out of >>> touch... Lame duck is too nice for this guy.... >>> Bean >> >> >> His answer to everything is to throw gigantic amounts of money at it. >> This "conservative" president is responsible for the biggest spending >> sprees and the biggest expansion of the federal government since FDR. > > Correct. > >> All I wanted the feds to do was to help evacuate old and sick people >> before the storm, and to provide toilets, food, water, and some temporary >> housing to the survivors of the storm. > > I was under the impression that before the storm was the state and local > govts responsibility Go to the Department of Homieland Security's web site. Read what you find there. Come back and report to us. R. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Condi, can I go wee wee ? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:22:52 -0700 "Dylanstubs" wrote in message news:1126898102.668169.181500@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > At least he wasn't asking her what color panties she had on. > Does she wear panties? R. ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: 16 Sep 2005 16:23:26 -0700 Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > This was sent to me from my cousin in Mississipi.... > > An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made > Disaster of the Welfare State > > > > An Objectivist Review > > > > > > by Robert Tracinski | The Intellectual Activist > > > > September 2, 2005 > > > > It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to > figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame > them, because it has also taken me four long days to figure out what is > going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if > you think that we are confronting a natural disaster. Sure it does, at least if one subscribes to the Heart of Darkness belief about the human soul - that beneath the shiny veneer of civilization lies human savagery, which is only kept in check (much of the time, anyway) by societal constraints. And when those constraints go away the savagery erupts - one need only to look at human behavior during war or even during a major blackout -- to see this. > > If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public > officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send > transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send > engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For > journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of > ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work and > dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to > clean up and rebuild. The human heart is not all dark, of course, and most of us do not descend into savagery at the first opportunity. But to deny the existence of the Heart of Darkness in human nature is IMO to deny reality. This is why we have, for example, police forces. > > Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would > have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as > if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. They didn't, but they should have. The National Guard has historically been routinely employed during events smaller than this one, and for just this reason - to maintain social order. > And journalists--myself > included--did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, > and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting. Nobody expected that there wouldn't be enough infrastructure in place to maintain social order. The *first* job and responsilbity of government is to protect the safety of its citizens from enemies both foriegn and domestic - and it failed miserably here. > > But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster. > > > > The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent > response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by > Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television > channel has gotten the story wrong. Ah yes - the blame game in one of its many forms: #of course in no way are the feds to blame here - it's instead the entirely the "welfare parasites'" fault, and those who feed said parasites#. Bullshit. There was clearly an inadequate and incompetent response by federal relief agencies - most notably by FEMA. Attempts like this one to absolve them of their responsiblities here disgusts me. > > The man-made disaster is the welfare state. No proof - just an assertion. > > For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans > to be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to > behave in an emergency--indeed, they were not behaving as they have > behaved in other emergencies. This guy has a short memory, and/or his perspective is severely narrowed by his ideology - doesn't he remember, for example, the 1977 New York City blackout? The city loses power for just 2 days, and rioting and looint inflicted $60 million in damages on the city. # Oh, but those were welfare parasites too. # > That is what has shocked so many people: they > have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. We expect our American goverment to do a much better job at maintaining order. > In fact, > it is not even what we expect from a Third World country. Where do I start: Iraq? Somalia? Rawanda? El Salvador? Or for that matter Yugoslavia? The Soviet Union? Nazi Germany? Sorry pal, but the 'welfare state' didn't cause these man-made disasters - people did. > > When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the > occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they > spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially > true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own > initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care > of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small town > whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get > out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars > through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of > New Yorkers to September 11). Here's the key difference that the author doesn't acknowlege, or perhaps even see - unlike in New Orleans with Katrina, with all of these examples there was still enough government infrastructure to maintain social order. > > All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent > incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total > evacuation > of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. On this much we agree. But the author of course leaves out the feds in his government indictment here, even though FEMA declares itself to be the PRIMARY agency responsible for overseeing disasters of this magnitude. > But in > a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to > ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to > political supporters--not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of > emergency. Bullshit - that's like saying that an organization can't walk and chew gum at the same time. But even if we used that logic, what then would explain the feds spectactular failure here? > > What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological > consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an > emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the > responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond > to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to > overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain > that the government hasn't taken care of them. They don't use the chaos of > a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men. Many people (and organizations, FTM) -- not just the on individual welfare recipeients -- use disasters an opportunity to prey on their fellow men. Take Halliburton for example (please). > > But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry > about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't > own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their > businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about > those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But living > off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them. Who - Halliburton? Enron? WorldCom? ### Oh no, it's only individual welfare recipients (as opposed to corporate welfare recipients) who steal - everyone else is a model citizen. ### > > The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it > sustains and encourages--is the man-made disaster that explains the moral > ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no > one is reporting. Yet another person with a political agenda that is so ideological that it severely warps his understanding of reality. It's very easy to pick on the poor and blame them for society's ills. Welfare recipients played a role in this, sure, but then so did everyone else, including notably the feds. However you'd never know that from reading this pile of opportunist propaganda. Ray ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: information on candace brightman...? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:31:27 -0700 "jimmy the el dee" wrote in message news:VrCWe.1601$D42.547@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com... >I am doing some research for creating a class on automated lighting >programming and history of concert production - I myself am a Whole Hog II >programmer (look it up) and I am planning on integrating the works of >several big names in the "jamband" programming/LD world into the format for >this class. > > Something I cannot find, however, is a good source on the path that GD's > lighting rig has made over the years. I have this great book on the > transformation/tribulattions of the Wall of Sound, and I'm wondering if > anyone here might know of a book that chronicles the GD lighting rig. I > did check online and through the library system - didn't find anything I > thought was worthy... The only thing that I have seen over the years is that her sister makes a few mentions in her book of Brightman's work with the band. Very sparse stuff. And, as I sit her on a Friday afternoon with a glass of wine, the book title does not jump into my mind. But since yer an academic sort of guy, you can search it ... the last name is Brightman as well. C. Brightman is still around, why not just contact her directly? 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