From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #302 Dead-Flames Digest #302, Volume #48 Fri, 16 Sep 05 13:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Longest Playin'? (brew ziggins) Re: Reaction to Bush's Speech ("Stephen St.") Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("LP") Re: Longest Playin'? ("Andrew Murawa") Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? ("Andrew Murawa") Re: Reaction to Bush's Speech ("LP") Re: Great R&R albums with Horns ("Andrew Murawa") Re: DEW plates ("Dave Kelly") Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt ("Carlisle") Re: DEW plates ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... ("LP") Re: DEW plates ("Stuknot") Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt ("Carlisle") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: Longest Playin'? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:36:55 -0400 Thus spake amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.... > "Kirk McElhearn" wrote in message > news:1h303rg.1m19q12knf78oN%kirk@mcelhearn.com... > > Anyone know offhand what the longest Playin' is? > > > > Kirk > > 5/21/74 Edmundsun Pavilion, UDub, Seattle > > Clocks in at over 45 minutes, and besides being long, is also very > good... > > This show is also "famous" (ugh) for having one of only two, I believe, > live performances of "Money Money".. Actually there were three, 5/17,5/19 and 5/21 Guess they got it out of their system in a hurry. -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: "Stephen St." Subject: Re: Reaction to Bush's Speech Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:36:25 GMT "JimK" wrote in message news:vnoli1lbnj5d5fithu14fqn7fv98mc9l5o@4ax.com... > On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:07:41 -0700, "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" > wrote: > >> >>"pv34pv3p" wrote in message >>news:1126881793.618680.237510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>> ABC News producers probably didn't hear what they expected when they >>> sent Dean Reynolds to the Houston Astrodome's parking lot to get >>> reaction to President Bush's speech from black evacuees from New >>> Orleans. Instead of denouncing Bush and blaming him for their plight, >>> they praised Bush and blamed local officials. Reynolds asked Connie >>> London: "Did you harbor any anger toward the President because of the >>> slow federal response?" She rejected the premise: "No, none whatsoever, >>> because I feel like our city and our state government should have been >>> there before the federal government was called in." She pointed out: >>> "They had RTA buses, Greyhound buses, school buses, that was just >>> sitting there going under water when they could have been evacuating >>> people." >>> >>> Not one of the six people interviewed on camera had a bad word for >>> Bush -- despite Reynolds' best efforts. Reynolds goaded: "Was there >>> anything that you found hard to believe that he said, that you thought, >>> well, that's nice rhetoric, but, you know, the proof is in the >>> pudding?" Brenda Marshall answered, "No, I didn't," prompting Reynolds >>> to marvel to anchor Ted Koppel: "Very little skepticism here." >>> >>> Reynolds pressed another woman: "Did you feel that the President >>> was sincere tonight?" She affirmed: "Yes, he was." Reynolds soon >>> wondered who they held culpable for the levee breaks. Unlike the >>> national media, London did not blame supposed Bush-mandated budget >>> cuts: "They've been allocated federal funds to fix the levee system, >>> and it never got done. I fault the mayor of our city personally. I >>> really do." >>> >>> Immediately after Bush finished his speech from Jackson >>> Square in New Orleans, at about 8:26pm local CDT, Ted Koppel, anchor of >>> ABC's hour-long coverage, went to Dean Reynolds who was outside in a >>> parking lot with a group of black people from New Orleans who are >>> living at the Reliant Center next to the Astrodome. >>> >>> Reynolds elicited reaction from the group sitting in chairs: >>> "I'd like to get the reaction of Connie London who spent several >>> horrible hours at the Superdome. You heard the President say repeatedly >>> that you are not alone, that the country stands beside you. Do you >>> believe him?" >>> Connie London: "Yeah, I believe him, because here in Texas, they >>> have truly been good to us. I mean-" >>> Reynolds: "Did you get a sense of hope that you could return to >>> your home one day in New Orleans?" >>> London: "Yes, I did. I did." >>> Reynolds: "Did you harbor any anger toward the President because >>> of the slow federal response?" >>> London: "No, none whatsoever, because I feel like our city and our >>> state government should have been there before the federal government >>> was called in. They should have been on their jobs." >>> Reynolds: "And they weren't?" >>> London: "No, no, no, no. Lord, they wasn't. I mean, they had RTA >>> buses, Greyhound buses, school buses, that was just sitting there going >>> under water when they could have been evacuating people." >>> Reynolds: "Now, Mary, you were rescued from your house which was >>> basically submerged in your neighborhood. Did you hear something in the >>> President's words that you could glean some hope from?" >>> Mary: "Yes. He said we're coming back, and I believe we're coming >>> back. He's going to build the city up. I believe that." >>> Reynolds: "You believe you'll be able to return to your home?" >>> Mary: "Yes, I do." >>> Reynolds: "Why?" >>> Mary: "Because I really believe what he said. I believe. I got >>> faith." >>> Reynolds: "Back here in the corner, we've got Brenda Marshall, >>> right?" >>> Brenda Marshall: "Yes." >>> Reynolds: "Now, Brenda, you were, spent, what, several days at the >>> Superdome, correct?" >>> Marshall: "Yes, I did." >>> Reynolds: "What did you think of what the President told you >>> tonight?" >>> Marshall: "Well, I think -- I think the speech was wonderful, you >>> know, him specifying that we will return back and that we will have >>> like mobile homes, you know, rent or whatever. I was listening to that >>> pretty good. But I think it was a well fine speech." >>> Reynolds: "Was there any particular part of it that stood out in >>> your mind? I mean, I saw you all nod when he said the Crescent City is >>> going to come back one day." >>> Marshall: "Well, I think I was more excited about what he said. >>> That's probably why I nodded." >>> Reynolds: "Was there anything that you found hard to believe that >>> he said, that you thought, well, that's nice rhetoric, but, you know, >>> the proof is in the pudding?" >>> Marshall: "No, I didn't." >>> Reynolds: "Good. Well, very little skepticism here. Frederick >>> Gould, did you hear something that you could hang on to tonight from >>> the President?" >>> Frederick Gould: "Well, I just know, you know, he said good things >>> to me, you know, what he said, you know. I was just trying to listen to >>> everything they were saying, you know." >>> Reynolds: "And Cecilia, did you feel that the President was >>> sincere tonight?" >>> Cecilia: "Yes, he was." >>> Reynolds: "Do you think this is a little too late, or do you think >>> he's got a handle on the situation?" >>> Cecilia: "To me it was a little too late. It was too late, but he >>> should have did something more about it." >>> Reynolds: "Now do you all believe that you will one day return to >>> your homes?" >>> Voices: "Yes" and "I do." >>> Reynolds: "I mean, do you all want to return to your homes? We're >>> hearing some people don't even want to go back." >>> Mary: "I want to go back." >>> Reynolds: "You want to go back." >>> Mary: "I want to go back. That's my home. That's all I know." >>> Reynolds: "Is it your home for your whole life?" >>> Mary: "Right. That's my home." >>> Reynolds: "And do you expect to go back to the house or a brand >>> new dwelling or what?" >>> Mary: "I expect to go back to something. I know it ain't my house, >>> because it's gone." >>> Reynolds: "What is the one mistake that could have been prevented >>> that would have made your lives much better? Is it simply getting all >>> of you out much sooner or what was it?" >>> Mary: "I'm going to tell you the truth. I had the opportunity to >>> get out, but I didn't believe it. So I stayed there till it was too >>> late." >>> Reynolds: "Did you all have the same feeling? I mean, did you all >>> have the opportunity to get out, but you were skeptical that this was >>> the really bad one?" >>> Unnamed woman: "No, I got out when they said evacuate. I got out >>> that Sunday and I left before the storm came. But I know they could >>> have did better than what they did because like they said, buses were >>> just sitting there, and they could have came through there and got >>> people out, because they were saying immediate evacuation. Some people >>> didn't believe it. But they should have brung the force of the army >>> through to help these people and make them understand it really was >>> coming." >>> London: "And really it wasn't Hurricane Katrina that really tore >>> up the city. It was when they opened the floodgates. It was not the >>> hurricane itself. It was the floodgates, when they opened the >>> floodgates, that's where all the water came." >>> Reynolds: "Do you blame anybody for this?" >>> London: "Yes. I mean, they've been allocated federal funds to fix >>> the levee system, and it never got done. I fault the mayor of our city >>> personally. I really do." >>> Reynolds: "All right. Well, thank you all very much. I wish you >>> all the best of luck. I hope you don't have to spend too much more time >>> here in the Reliant Center and you can get back to New Orleans as the >>> President said. Ted, that is the word from the Houston Astrodome. And >>> as I said, when the President said that the Crescent City will rise >>> again, there were nods all around this parking lot." >>> >>> >>> Source assasins can view it themselves here... >>> >>> http://newsbusters.org/media/2005-09-15-ABCPSP.wmv >>> >>> Pv34pv3p >> >> >>Are you somehow surpised that people who will be striking it rich from the >>biggest welfare and handout program in history are pleased with the >>speech? >> >>People are always happy when politicians toss their beliefs out the window >>to spend scads of money on them. >> >>Bush is literally bribing an entire section of the country so his poll >>numbers will rise. >> >>No ability to repond to a disaster, no principles, and once again the >>taxpayer will suffer because of it. >> >>If he had ordered 10 helicopters to drop some food and water and porta >>potties none of this would be happening. >> >>EGBH >> > Right. Let's talk to those same people six months from now and see how > they feel. Well, since they are the ones who were directly effected, it should be their call on how they feel ! Not the media or some folks living on either the east or west coast. ------------------------------ From: "LP" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: 16 Sep 2005 12:39:08 -0700 >The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it >sustains and encourages--is the man-made disaster that explains the moral >ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no >one is reporting. It's about time someone examined this. After Katrina, I spoke with my brother who lives in the region, and he told me the same thing; that the entitlement mentality in NO was an immense, crippling social problem that has been brewing for decades. This storm stripped away the covers and we now get to see the damage it has caused. A problem that - unlike the hurricane - doesn't just pass by and disappear. LP ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Murawa" Subject: Re: Longest Playin'? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:41:18 -0700 "brew ziggins" wrote in message news:MPG.1d94e8e1c0b26769897d4@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu... > Thus spake amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.... >> "Kirk McElhearn" wrote in message >> news:1h303rg.1m19q12knf78oN%kirk@mcelhearn.com... >> > Anyone know offhand what the longest Playin' is? >> > >> > Kirk >> >> 5/21/74 Edmundsun Pavilion, UDub, Seattle >> >> Clocks in at over 45 minutes, and besides being long, is also very >> good... >> >> This show is also "famous" (ugh) for having one of only two, I >> believe, >> live performances of "Money Money".. > > Actually there were three, 5/17,5/19 and 5/21 > > Guess they got it out of their system in a hurry. Thank god... ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Murawa" Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:43:17 -0700 "Stuknot" wrote in message news:1126894840.502532.111780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Furthermore, who else in the > band could sing about getting high from sniffing farts and have it > sound so pretty? Heh. ------------------------------ From: "LP" Subject: Re: Reaction to Bush's Speech Date: 16 Sep 2005 12:45:49 -0700 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > Its amazing. The former conservatives on this board (who now support the > single biggest public works and welfare program in the history of the world) > don't think the military should have flown a few choppers into a major > American city to help people with no food or water, but they do believe that > every single bit of damage is the reponsibility of the federal government to > repair and rebuild. > > Bush is to the left of any Democrat to ever hold the office of president. > What Bush is proposing in unprecedented in scope and cost. He was heartless > when denying food and water to thousands, now he will earn back the nation's > trust by bankrupting us while giving huge handouts to thoroughly corrupt > local and state governments. > > Conservatives have no idea what they stand for anymore. As long as Bush is > for it, they're for it. Even if his policies make no sense and contradict > every conservative principle one can think of. Even (gag.. choke..) rush limpbag .... is being openly critical of shrub and his gang for this. The blind supporters of bush just 'cause he's a 'publikan are the fools of the millenium. LP ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Murawa" Subject: Re: Great R&R albums with Horns Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:48:21 -0700 "Tim Ujin" wrote in message news:1126893359.582878.125390@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >I was surprised by all the naysaying with respect to horns in rock and > roll bands. Sure LOM is pretty much of a bummer, but that is because > of poor material/arrangements and the fact that Martin Fiero is just > not a good horn player. > > My list of great Rock albums with horns on 'em: > > Rolling Stones - Exiles on Main Street > Rolling stones - Sticky fingers > Van Morrison - Moondance > Van Morrison - His Band and Street Choir > Van Morrison - St. Dominic's Preview > Van Morrison - It's Too Late to Stop Now > Joe Cocker- Mad Dogs and Englishmen > Delaney & Bonnie & Friends - On Tour with Eric Clapton > Sly and the Family Stone - Stand > The Band - Rock of Ages > Blood Sweat and Tears - The Child is Father to the Man > Bruce Springsteen - Greetings from Asbury Park > Bruce Springsteen - The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle > Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run Bob Dylan - Street Legal... What can I say, damn near my favorite Dylan album (certainly in the top, I dunno 15 or 20, hehe), and my choice for most underrated Dylan album... ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: DEW plates Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:51:58 GMT wrote in message news:1126890728.063392.91330@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > yet another great reason to head to buffalo. > -felix Felix You ignorant slut. ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt Date: 16 Sep 2005 12:54:48 -0700 Brad Greer wrote: > On 15 Sep 2005 22:13:24 -0700, "Carlisle" > wrote: > >"By the way, we're taking the good pot, too." Not so fast, hombre. > >That's what you think. You've apparently never had the Kentucky > >Chronic. Besides, we got all the good bourbon and whiskey. And that's > >the DAMN TRUTH!! Anyway as my old boss used to say, "Don't let the door > >hit you on the ass on your way out." ;} > >peace and awe, > >cpc > > While I'm sure good pot is grown in Kentucky I'll be happy with the > Blue State product. As to bourbon, well, that's an issue but I can't > see you Red Staters not exporting it. And I can't see you Red Staters not buying it. ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: DEW plates Date: 16 Sep 2005 12:55:20 -0700 kamchatka1@gmail.com wrote: > just a heads up to anyone lookin to register a car in the WNY > area...they are currently giving out plates with the letters "DEW" on > them in Buffalo. i shit you not. at least i got one at the DMV on > Broadway last week. plus i have seen a couple since. yet another > great reason to head to buffalo. > -felix Will these be available in the afternoon? Mark ------------------------------ From: "LP" Subject: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... Date: 16 Sep 2005 12:58:46 -0700 No doubt the BEST entertainment possible in SF would be a David Nelson Band show, and a personal meeting between JOE and MARK!!!!!!!! I'd PAY to be there and watch.... LP ------------------------------ From: "Stuknot" Subject: Re: DEW plates Date: 16 Sep 2005 12:59:06 -0700 Rogues Island's finest wrote: > kamchatka1@gmail.com wrote: > > just a heads up to anyone lookin to register a car in the WNY > > area...they are currently giving out plates with the letters "DEW" on > > them in Buffalo. i shit you not. at least i got one at the DMV on > > Broadway last week. plus i have seen a couple since. yet another > > great reason to head to buffalo. > > -felix > > Will these be available in the afternoon? > > Mark Does it matter? John H. ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt Date: 16 Sep 2005 12:59:11 -0700 Brad Greer wrote: > On 15 Sep 2005 22:13:24 -0700, "Carlisle" > wrote: > >"By the way, we're taking the good pot, too." Not so fast, hombre. > >That's what you think. You've apparently never had the Kentucky > >Chronic. Besides, we got all the good bourbon and whiskey. And that's > >the DAMN TRUTH!! Anyway as my old boss used to say, "Don't let the door > >hit you on the ass on your way out." ;} > >peace and awe, > >cpc > > While I'm sure good pot is grown in Kentucky I'll be happy with the > Blue State product. As to bourbon, well, that's an issue but I can't > see you Red Staters not exporting it. And I can't see you Blue Staters not importing it. ps-yeah I just corrected a typo. ;) ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .