From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #301 Dead-Flames Digest #301, Volume #48 Fri, 16 Sep 05 11:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: Reaction to Bush's Speech (JC Martin) Re: NDC Bush's speech last night (wyeknot) Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! (wyeknot) Re: information on candace brightman...? ("Dave Kelly") Re: NDC Bush's speech last night ("imsjry") Re: JGB bt jgb1984-08-15 Orange Community College Middletown, NY (band beyond description) Re: I've got it bad! (band beyond description) Re: What does the Bush Adminstration have to do with cutting federal spending? ("Ray") Re: information on candace brightman...? (bigamps) DEW plates (kamchatka1@gmail.com) Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... (band beyond description) Re: NDC Bush's speech last night (brew ziggins) The Fall - The Complete Peel Sessions (NDC) (band beyond description) Re: information on candace brightman...? (jimmy the el dee) Koons-Garcia has a new film ("george snyder") Re: NDC Bush's speech last night ("imsjry") Re: Hey New Guy! ("neurodancer") Re: Don't You Step on My Toes ("neurodancer") Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? ("neurodancer") Great R&R albums with Horns ("Tim Ujin") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Reaction to Bush's Speech Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:48:41 GMT Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > Conservatives have no idea what they stand for anymore. As long as Bush is > for it, they're for it. That's the Republican Party of today in a nutshell. If Dubya says it's good, well, it's good then. No need to question it. -JC ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: NDC Bush's speech last night Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:48:21 -0400 imsjry wrote: > brew ziggins wrote: > >>I thought it was his Best Speech Ever. > > > Well, compared to what? It was also about 2 weeks late. That speech > was nothing more than damage contol and he didn't write a word of it. > And the rolled up sleaves to project that he's down there "working"? I > laughed out loud. Does he this people are THAT stupid?? Well, with sentence construction like that last one, who can blame them?!?! ;-) Matt ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:51:58 -0400 Stephen St. wrote: > "The Lord of Eltingville" wrote in >>Maybe Joe and his chickie could bid on it and have Cody drive them down >>to Mt Chimichanga. The bus would use a lot less fuel and emit less >>pollution than a jet. Plus...he could smoke himself silly the whole way >>there. >> >>What more could a fake hippy want? > > Total insulation from gays and "perverted" sex? Not to mention government handouts. Matt ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: information on candace brightman...? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:54:51 GMT "jimmy the el dee" wrote in message news:VrCWe.1601$D42.547@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com... >I am doing some research for creating a class on automated lighting >programming and history of concert production - I myself am a Whole Hog II >programmer (look it up) and I am planning on integrating the works of >several big names in the "jamband" programming/LD world into the format for >this class. I LOVE it!....the professor is coming HERE for lesson plans! Where do you teach? I'm think' this aint EXACTLY Ivy League. Maybe I can give a class on the history of Cheese Steaks. Just let me find the tweed jacket ...the pipe is RIGHT here! Professor Sweet-Cheese ------------------------------ From: "imsjry" Subject: Re: NDC Bush's speech last night Date: 16 Sep 2005 09:59:41 -0700 wyeknot wrote: > imsjry wrote: > > brew ziggins wrote: > > > >>I thought it was his Best Speech Ever. > > > > > > Well, compared to what? It was also about 2 weeks late. That speech > > was nothing more than damage contol and he didn't write a word of it. > > And the rolled up sleaves to project that he's down there "working"? I > > laughed out loud. Does he this people are THAT stupid?? > > Well, with sentence construction like that last one, who can blame > them?!?! ;-) > > Matt Touche'. I hadn't had my 10 cups of coffee yet.. ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: JGB bt jgb1984-08-15 Orange Community College Middletown, NY Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:02:36 +0900 On 2005-09-17 01:32:00 +0900, "Dylanstubs" said: >> band beyond description wrote: >> On 2005-09-17 00:15:45 +0900, "Dylanstubs" said: >> >>> Lots of fun with Junkie Jerry on that tour. 8/13 Hampton was a smoker >>> too. >> >> 8-1-84(?) JGB/Zappa at the UIC Pavillion...went to school there, >> snagged a slew of tix in the first, second and a few other rows center. >> Just a few weeks after the last GDTS Midwest Tour Ticket Booklet (now >> that was a cool concept), and two months before a nice fall East Coast >> tour. > > Knowing Jerry's habits in those days, I don't suppose he and Frank > spent much time together. Wonder what Frank thought of Jerry? I doubt they hung out together; that was a one-off show, for which I recall hearing that they flipped a coin to see who would be the opener. (Jerry opened for Frank, which we Deadheads thought was the short shrift, as JGB played a pretty short set, perhaps an hour; but given his condition in those days, perhaps Jerry appreciated not having such a lengthy stagetime obligation that particular night.) -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: I've got it bad! Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:03:21 +0900 On 2005-09-17 01:28:08 +0900, "Roxanne McDaniel" said: > Oh wow, man ! > Wait a second man. whaddaya think the teacher's gonna look like this year ? > My butt, man ! > T-t-teacher stop that screaming, teacher don't you see ? > Don't wanna be no uptown fool. > Maybe I should go to hell, but I'm doin' well, > Teacher needs to see me after school. > Chorus: > I think of all the education that I missed. > But then my homework was never quite like this. > Got it bad, got it bad, got it bad, > I'm hot for teacher. > I got it bad, so bad, > I'm hot for teacher. > Spoken: > Hey, I heard you missed us, we're back ! > I brought my pencil > Gimme something to write on, man > I heard about your lessons, but lessons are so cold. > I know about this school. > Little girl from cherry lane, how did you get so bold ? > How did you know that golden rule ? > Chorus > (guitar solo) > Oh man, I think the clock is slow > I don't feel tardy > Class dismissed easy there, teach... :-) -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: What does the Bush Adminstration have to do with cutting federal spending? Date: 16 Sep 2005 10:06:27 -0700 Ray wrote: > Ray wrote: > > * Change in annual federal spending *outside of* military and homeland > > security between fiscal years 2001 and 2005: +303,000,000,000 > > > > That's an annual federal spending increase of $303 billion over the > > past four years, and that's not even taking into account the Iraq war, > > amongst other things. "Your hard-earned tax dollars at work" indeed. > > > > Gotta love those big-government, big-spending Republicans - or not. > > That $300-billion+ increase in annual federal spending was also > pre-Katrina. This just in: > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Katrina Ushers in Return of Big Government > - - - - - - - - - - - - > > By TOM RAUM Associated Press Writer > > September 15,2005 | WASHINGTON -- The era of big government is back. > President Bush is presiding over what is sure to be the most expensive > government relief and reconstruction operation in U.S. history. > > With estimates of the federal tab ranging up to $200 billion for > rebuilding New Orleans and other storm-ravaged Gulf Coast cities, Bush > and his Republican allies in Congress are casting aside budget > discipline. One of the things that I find laughable about this article is the writer's characterization here that "Bush and his Republican allies in Congress are casting aside budget discipline" -- as if they had somehow been exercising budget discipline before Katrina. > They're also deferring -- for now -- vows to finish the Reagan > revolution against big government They may now finally be deferring their big-federal spending *vows*, but in practice they've never attempted to end "big government" - they just shifted where the money went, and moreover spent considerably more money when doing so. > Hurricane Katrina also opened the floodgates to proposals in Congress > building on a host of long-cherished Republican themes. These include > proposals for school vouchers for storm-displaced children, more > federal support for "faith-based" organizations engaged in hurricane > relief, as well as business-friendly "enterprise zone" tax credits for > enterprises that rebuild in stricken areas and eased environmental and > labor-protection requirements. ### This seems so out of character - before this Bush and the Republicans would *never* have exploited a horrific national catastrophe for political gain. ### > "The fact of the matter is when our nation faces these type of > emergencies, it unfortunately requires us to deficit spend. It's > nothing that anybody in Washington, or anywhere for that matter, likes > to do but it's necessary," White House counselor Dan Bartlett said > ahead of Bush's Thursday night speech to the nation. LOL - as if the Bush Adminstration had any qualms about deficit spending before Katrina. Ray ------------------------------ From: bigamps Subject: Re: information on candace brightman...? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:11:54 GMT jimmy the el dee wrote: > I am doing some research for creating a class on automated lighting > programming and history of concert production - I myself am a Whole Hog > II programmer (look it up) and I am planning on integrating the works of > several big names in the "jamband" programming/LD world into the format > for this class. > > Something I cannot find, however, is a good source on the path that GD's > lighting rig has made over the years. I have this great book on the > transformation/tribulattions of the Wall of Sound, and I'm wondering if > anyone here might know of a book that chronicles the GD lighting rig. I > did check online and through the library system - didn't find anything I > thought was worthy... Try Candace's web site http://www.anarchi.com/projects/gd1.html there's contact info there, maybe you could interview her directly. ------------------------------ From: kamchatka1@gmail.com Subject: DEW plates Date: 16 Sep 2005 10:12:08 -0700 just a heads up to anyone lookin to register a car in the WNY area...they are currently giving out plates with the letters "DEW" on them in Buffalo. i shit you not. at least i got one at the DMV on Broadway last week. plus i have seen a couple since. yet another great reason to head to buffalo. -felix ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:12:33 +0900 On 2005-09-17 01:35:35 +0900, "Dave Kelly" said: > > "grtflmark" wrote in message > news:1126885610.890177.10820@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> ....is there anything interesting musically happening between Sunday >> night (9/18) and Wednesday night (9/21) that a traveller to that city >> might be interesting in taking in? >> >> ....would appreciate your insight..... Thanks >> >> ---- "Mark" > > * Oh GREAT....I see the St Joseph chapter of > "God Hates Fags" is taking it on the road. I assume > you will be in town for the 23rd annual "Folsom Street > Bondage/Leather Street faire" on the 18th. > One piece of advice, there, Hateful...the last crew, from > Kansas I believe, that tried to disrupt the party ended up > victim of the infamous urine/man spunk dunk tank at the > PowerHouse bar south of Market. It made their bull horn > COMPLETELY inoperable for the rest of the Crusade. > Just some friendly advice. > > Sweetbac Productions so will Mark be wanting to take a bus or cab to Folsom that day? does Sweetbac hire out for four-hour blocks of private chauffeur duty? mileage, man spunk, tips extra. -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: NDC Bush's speech last night Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:17:32 -0400 Thus spake Imsjry@ameritech.net... > > brew ziggins wrote: > > I thought it was his Best Speech Ever. > > Well, compared to what? All of his previous speeches. > It was also about 2 weeks late. That speech > was nothing more than damage control and he didn't write a word of it. > And the rolled up sleaves to project that he's down there "working"? I > laughed out loud. I totally agree. I was just saying he did a much better job of faking it than he usually does. -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: The Fall - The Complete Peel Sessions (NDC) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:22:25 +0900 The Fall - The Complete Peel Sessions 1978-2004 (Sanctuary) Has anyone heard or ordered this six-disc set? or found it yet at Amoeba? looks great! The Fall: "They are always different, they are always the same" - John Peel http://tinyurl.com/cgwkm -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: jimmy the el dee Subject: Re: information on candace brightman...? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:31:35 GMT Dave Kelly wrote: > "jimmy the el dee" wrote in message > news:VrCWe.1601$D42.547@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com... > >>I am doing some research for creating a class on automated lighting >>programming and history of concert production - I myself am a Whole Hog II >>programmer (look it up) and I am planning on integrating the works of >>several big names in the "jamband" programming/LD world into the format for >>this class. > > > I LOVE it!....the professor is coming HERE for lesson plans! > Where do you teach? > I'm think' this aint EXACTLY Ivy League. > Maybe I can give a class on the history of Cheese Steaks. > Just let me find the tweed jacket ...the pipe is RIGHT here! > > Professor Sweet-Cheese > > are you going to deep fry EVERY post that I make, mister cheese?! ;) I'm looking for PRIMARY RESEARCH - AKA BOOKS or FOOTAGE/ACTUAL IMAGES - not how to teach my class! didn't you read that I was doing 'research?' jimmy ------------------------------ From: "george snyder" Subject: Koons-Garcia has a new film Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:36:04 GMT http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/11/07/LVG709K7MV1.DTL ------------------------------ From: "imsjry" Subject: Re: NDC Bush's speech last night Date: 16 Sep 2005 10:38:00 -0700 brew ziggins wrote: > Thus spake Imsjry@ameritech.net... > > > > brew ziggins wrote: > > > I thought it was his Best Speech Ever. > > > > Well, compared to what? > > All of his previous speeches. > > > It was also about 2 weeks late. That speech > > was nothing more than damage control and he didn't write a word of it. > > And the rolled up sleaves to project that he's down there "working"? I > > laughed out loud. > > I totally agree. I was just saying he did a much better job of faking it > than he usually does. Matbe the sleaves and neckties have been holding him back.. ------------------------------ From: "neurodancer" Subject: Re: Hey New Guy! Date: 16 Sep 2005 10:40:15 -0700 southforkk wrote: > "Steve Terry" wrote in message > news:dgd4q2$174g$1@news.iquest.net... > > Okay, mister smarty pants Lighting Designer, how many deadheads does it > > take to change a light bulb? > > > > Two, one to twist it and one to light it. > > > > 1000, 1 to change it and 999 to follow it around until it burns out.. > > > > 25, 1 to change it , four to tape the event, three to sell veggie wraps and > dope and the rest to spin around. > > > > Any More out there??? 17. One to change it and 16 to say how much better light bulbs were in the 70s. ND ------------------------------ From: "neurodancer" Subject: Re: Don't You Step on My Toes Date: 16 Sep 2005 10:49:06 -0700 Sean Baker wrote: > "Seth Jackson" wrote in message > news:etoki1lv9ljod2dltr2eikqrg8lk1nq3sr@4ax.com... > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:12:20 -0500, "Steve Terry" > > wrote: > > > >> Jerry Garcia surrounded himself with > >>lesser talent for years while a member of the Grateful Dead. > > > > I'm sure this has been debated here before, but I beg to differ. The > > GD were a magical mix of exactly the right talent. > > JGB was often the culmination of the perfect mix of great talent from > different veins of music. Merl, Tut, Kemper, Seals, the Godchaux's. They > all new how to LISTEN, JAM, and KEEP THE FUK OFF ONE ANOTHER'S TOES. Whis > is why it is very often Very Good. > > Peace, > > Sean > > And, at their best, an argument for enlightened dictatorship over democracy/anarchy. ND ------------------------------ From: "neurodancer" Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: 16 Sep 2005 10:53:28 -0700 Steve Terry wrote: > "ck" wrote in message > news:IsCdnY5g94kbTbXeRVn-qQ@adelphia.com... > > > > "Steve Terry" wrote in message > > news:dgai78$f4m$1@news.iquest.net... > >> > >> wrote in message > >> news:1126745449.203733.311040@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > >> >i would dig LOM so very deeply, > >> > if there was no sax. at times the brass > >> > is overbearing, and detracts from any subtlety of a given tune. > >> > as i was listening over the weekend, > >> > my friend's wife commented that the sax > >> > gave LOM a Saturday Night Live band sound > >> > circa mid seventies. SRYK. > >> > > >> > >> So you guys are essentially saying that you like rock 'n roll and not > > jazz. > >> Fair? > >> > >> > > > > The recon horns were pretty good. The LOMhorns were to me as grating as > > when he played with the Dead in '73. just not my cup of tea. Horns have > > their place. I am watching the 21st Century Schizoid band Live in japan > > 2002 DVD as i type and theyhave two horn players . that works well. I > > like > > The pat Metheny group with horns and of course old King Crimson.Not sure > > why Martin Fiero's playing with LOM bugs me but simply put it, to me > > it > > sounds plain bad. Maybe its the kind of horn he's playing or the way its > > recorded but i just don't like it in there. > > > > > > I guess I haven't heard enough to dislike it. I just started listening to > this stuff and am digging it so far. This Martin Fiero ranks right down > there with Donna and Vince evidently. I pretty much agree with the above. I never thought he was even much good with Zero and they were supposedly his (and Kimmock's of course) band. ND ------------------------------ From: "Tim Ujin" Subject: Great R&R albums with Horns Date: 16 Sep 2005 10:55:59 -0700 I was surprised by all the naysaying with respect to horns in rock and roll bands. Sure LOM is pretty much of a bummer, but that is because of poor material/arrangements and the fact that Martin Fiero is just not a good horn player. My list of great Rock albums with horns on 'em: Rolling Stones - Exiles on Main Street Rolling stones - Sticky fingers Van Morrison - Moondance Van Morrison - His Band and Street Choir Van Morrison - St. Dominic's Preview Van Morrison - It's Too Late to Stop Now Joe Cocker- Mad Dogs and Englishmen Delaney & Bonnie & Friends - On Tour with Eric Clapton Sly and the Family Stone - Stand The Band - Rock of Ages Blood Sweat and Tears - The Child is Father to the Man Bruce Springsteen - Greetings from Asbury Park Bruce Springsteen - The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run I'm sure I left out a few, but if you don't have these records, you need them! ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .