From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #298 Dead-Flames Digest #298, Volume #48 Fri, 16 Sep 05 08:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: P&F Tour 2005 ("Dave Kelly") Re: Dead Show 9 Feb 2004 Warfield SF ("Jim Carroll") Jerry Quote 09-16-05 ("observer part II") bush sweats it out haha ("Don Bean") Re: What does the government have to do with music? (bigamps) Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("minnehaha") Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! ("minnehaha") Re: Failure (cj) Re: Hey New Guy! ("southforkk") Re: SK@Earthdance this Saturday(NDC) (brew ziggins) Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson ("The Thurston Howller") Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson ("The Thurston Howller") Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson ("The Thurston Howller") Re: bush sweats it out haha (JimK) Re: SK@Earthdance this Saturday(NDC) (naught@nil.com) Re: GDTSTOO - Phil Lesh and Friends Winter Tour 2005 ("Eli Renfro") Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson (rforman61@msn.com) Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! ("TNKEV") Re: Dead Show 9 Feb 2004 Warfield SF (DB) Re: Hey New Guy! ("TNKEV") Re: Don't You Step on My Toes ("Sean Baker") JGB bt jgb1984-08-15 Orange Community College Middletown, NY ("seraphim") Re: Donna's a real DOLL ("Sean Baker") Re: new guy requests company ("marklaw") Re: Makin' FRIENDS ("Sean Baker") Re: High Voltage Learnin' ("Sean Baker") Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: bush sweats it out haha ("Stephen St.") Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! ("Stephen St.") Re: Jerry for Governor of Louisiana..... ("Rupert") Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: P&F Tour 2005 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:03:57 GMT "Joe" wrote in message news:3ou7t1F7nb9jU1@individual.net... > Dave Kelly - Back off. > > Joe * I think our Joko got him a 'lil crush on somebody! Move OVAH, Geraldine!...there's NEW new rider in town! ------------------------------ From: "Jim Carroll" Subject: Re: Dead Show 9 Feb 2004 Warfield SF Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:46:14 GMT "Steve Mynott" wrote in message news:slrndil2l5.s1.steve@randy.dedrat.com... > I'm after a recording of the 2/9/2004 Warfield Dead SF > (because I was there). > > Is there anywhere I can download this? > > (lossy format like MP3 OK) > > -- > Steve Mynott > http://music.ibiblio.org/pub/multimedia/tunetree/Dead/ ------------------------------ From: "observer part II" Subject: Jerry Quote 09-16-05 Date: 16 Sep 2005 03:50:47 -0700 The Grateful Dead just kind of grew out sideways, out of the side of this social scene. ------------------------------ From: "Don Bean" Subject: bush sweats it out haha Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:39:43 -0400 Dont you just love to see Bush wiggle and squirm when he has to do things from the middle instead of his comfortable far right... Hes been governing from his base for so long that now he looks sooo out of touch... Lame duck is too nice for this guy.... Bean ------------------------------ From: bigamps Subject: Re: What does the government have to do with music? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:03:15 GMT Ray wrote: > Ray wrote: > >>Ray wrote: >> >>>The old geezer wrote: >>> >>>>Your hard earned tax$$$$$ at work! >>> >>>* Cost of these NEA awards: $175,000 >>> >>>* NEA annual budget: ~$100,000,000 >>> >>>* Cost of Iraq war, per day: ~$186,000,000 >>> >>>* Cost of Iraq War, to date: ~$194,160,000,000 >>> >>>* Federal Iraq contracts awarded to Halliburton, through 12/04: >>>$10,800,000,000 >>> >>>* Cost of corporate giveaway to a consortium based in House Majority >>>Leader Tom DeLay's hometown of Sugar Land, Texas, in latest House >>>energy bill: $375,000,000 >>> >>>* Change in federal budget allocated to Army Corps of Engineers for New >>>Orleans constrution projects, from FY 2001 to FY 2005: -$65,000,000 >>>(-40%) >>> >>>* Initial rough estimate of damage to New Orleans from Katrinka: >>>$100,000,000,000 >> >>* Change in annual federal spending *outside of* military and homeland >>security between fiscal years 2001 and 2005: +303,000,000,000 >> >>That's an annual federal spending increase of $303 billion over the >>past four years, and that's not even taking into account the Iraq war, >>amongst other things. "Your hard-earned tax dollars at work" indeed. >> >>Gotta love those big-government, big-spending Republicans - or not. > > > That $300-billion+ increase in annual federal spending was also > pre-Katrina. This just in: > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Katrina Ushers in Return of Big Government > - - - - - - - - - - - - > > By TOM RAUM Associated Press Writer > > September 15,2005 | WASHINGTON -- The era of big government is back. > President Bush is presiding over what is sure to be the most expensive > government relief and reconstruction operation in U.S. history. Actually Karl Rove will be overseeing this particular doling out, and follow the money! See who's pockets another few billion end up in. They put the 'government' face on it, it's all just another steal it from the citizens and give it to their buddies, business as usual. ------------------------------ From: "minnehaha" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:21:16 -0400 "pv34pv3p" wrote in message news:1126843286.003001.150260@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > DG wrote... > > Supporting Bush allowing people to die because he was on vacation is a > cop out. Wake up... > > > Oh...so he did have a CDL.? > weak ------------------------------ From: "minnehaha" Subject: Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:26:36 -0400 wrote in message news:1126817979.845410.177250@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > TNKEV wrote: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Ultimate-Hippie-Vacation_W0QQitemZ5614695213 > > You should not dignify this by posting it. > > It was clearly put up by people who hate the very idea of hippies - > probably due to various personal deficiencies that they wish to mask. I thought it was hilarious. Obviously it touched a nerve with YOU though. Why is that? ------------------------------ From: cj Subject: Re: Failure Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:33:50 -0400 haha, good one Pete wrote: > 1. Go to http://www.google.com > > 2. Type in "failure". > > 3. Click on "I'm feeling lucky". > > ------------------------------ From: "southforkk" Subject: Re: Hey New Guy! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:33:32 GMT "Steve Terry" wrote in message news:dgd4q2$174g$1@news.iquest.net... > Okay, mister smarty pants Lighting Designer, how many deadheads does it > take to change a light bulb? > Two, one to twist it and one to light it. 1000, 1 to change it and 999 to follow it around until it burns out.. 25, 1 to change it , four to tape the event, three to sell veggie wraps and dope and the rest to spin around. Any More out there??? ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: SK@Earthdance this Saturday(NDC) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:40:24 -0400 Thus spake xxx@xxxcast.net... > band beyond description <123@456.com> wrote: > > > >Wish i could be there! > > > >from -- http://www.earthdance.org/sf/artisthome.html > > > >For more than 25 years, guitarist Steve Kimock has astounded audiences > >with his soul-stirring sound, extraordinary creativity, and > >unparalleled mastery of his instruments. > > > LOL... > > For more than 25 horrid years, guitarist Steve Kimock has bored > audiences with his muzak, incredibly horrid stage presence and and > noodling of his instruments. > > The acid must be great. STFU! -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: "The Thurston Howller" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:48:50 +1000 Reply-To: "The Thurston Howller" "donz5" wrote in message news:1126836653.823254.179630@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > mrleeleer wrote: > > > >Brian Wilson has always been way over-rated IMHO. > > > On what basis do you think he's over-rated? While I understand the argument that he has been over-rated, I don't whole-heartedly agree. However..... > His melodies? His song > structures? His production techniques? How about his extensive mish-mash of incompleted works? Sure, PM may be accused of the exact same thing(soon after the fabs broke up), but then again he was PM. What's Brian's excuse?....;) ------------------------------ From: "The Thurston Howller" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:49:36 +1000 Reply-To: "The Thurston Howller" "macca281F" wrote in message news:1126846390.314700.98000@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > < structures? His production techniques? >>Donz > > I was excoriated on another board for saying I felt that BW was > overrated. His talents are indeed immense, but his consistency is > lacking, and he certainly didn't sustain his talent for very long Yeah, 1963 till 2005 is pretty lame.;) ------------------------------ From: "The Thurston Howller" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:51:54 +1000 Reply-To: "The Thurston Howller" "macca281F" wrote in message news:1126852573.488064.94030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > < rate. When you get the chance, have a listen to "Surf's Up," and > perhaps you'll hear how un "beach" music it really is. Or > "Cabinessence" or "God Only Knows." Or "Wonderful." Or "Heroes and > Villains." Or "Til I Die." >>Donz > > Thanks, I'll do that. God Only Knows is very early though, isn't it? > It is beautiful, and I believe Paul referred to it as the perfect pop > song. Interesting story...my friend did some tour work with the BBs, > and was it Carl who did that song? In any case, whichever one it was, > right after he died, the BBs were oin tour, and Carl's wife was in the > audience. Apparently God Only Knows was his song to her, but now > someone else (probably jackass Mike Love) sang it and she ran out in > tears. Very tasteless, IMO. Yeah great *story*, dickhead. Seriously, has anyone ever heard such a pathetic bunch of nonsensical gossip since the heydays of "Amaranth" and the "Sewing Circle"?.:) ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: bush sweats it out haha Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:00:54 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:39:43 -0400, "Don Bean" wrote: >Dont you just love to see Bush wiggle and squirm when he has to do things >from the middle instead of his comfortable far right... Hes been governing >from his base for so long that now he looks sooo out of touch... Lame duck >is too nice for this guy.... >Bean > > I love to watch him wiggle and squirm when he has to speak without a script. JimK ------------------------------ From: naught@nil.com Subject: Re: SK@Earthdance this Saturday(NDC) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:18:14 +0000 (UTC) > Thus spake xxx@xxxcast.net... >> band beyond description <123@456.com> wrote: >> > >> >Wish i could be there! >> > >> >from -- http://www.earthdance.org/sf/artisthome.html >> > >> >For more than 25 years, guitarist Steve Kimock has astounded audiences >> >with his soul-stirring sound, extraordinary creativity, and >> >unparalleled mastery of his instruments. >> >> >> LOL... >> >> For more than 25 horrid years, guitarist Steve Kimock has bored >> audiences with his muzak, incredibly horrid stage presence and and >> noodling of his instruments. >> >> The acid must be great. Doug Greene is up there right now shaking a fist as DG. Man, I miss him. ------------------------------ From: "Eli Renfro" Subject: Re: GDTSTOO - Phil Lesh and Friends Winter Tour 2005 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:27:45 -0400 "band beyond description" wrote in message : > > This is one of the finest venues in the NYC area. It is beautiful, clean > > and acoustically perfect. > > so what's it doing in Newark? ### Shocking, isn't it? It's all part of the gentrification of Newark. ------------------------------ From: rforman61@msn.com Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: 16 Sep 2005 06:29:07 -0700 You are wrong. "Continued to write 'beach' music"? Have you heard "Pet Sounds" or "Smile"? richforman ------------------------------ From: "TNKEV" Subject: Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:24:08 -0500 greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com wrote: > I agree it was written to be funny. > > But really it is mean and contrived. > > They would be obligated to take you on > a trip. They most likely would. > I doubt it would be a pleasant thing. > > The phrase "like a bowling pin" comes > to mind as in "Set up". > > . I can agree there,I am sure uncle Cody doesn't have gas money or money for food and who gets the money from T shirt sales? your right though, I don't think it would be a pleasurable experience. ------------------------------ From: DB Subject: Re: Dead Show 9 Feb 2004 Warfield SF Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:31:38 -0400 Jim Carroll wrote: > "Steve Mynott" wrote in > message news:slrndil2l5.s1.steve@randy.dedrat.com... > >>I'm after a recording of the 2/9/2004 Warfield Dead SF >>(because I was there). >> >>Is there anywhere I can download this? >> >>(lossy format like MP3 OK) >> >>-- >>Steve Mynott >> > > http://music.ibiblio.org/pub/multimedia/tunetree/Dead/ > > The only reason to bother with this show is because you were there and want a memento. Otherwise, it is entirely forgettable. In fact, I had forgotten all about it until I read this thread. DB ------------------------------ From: "TNKEV" Subject: Re: Hey New Guy! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:28:32 -0500 How do you know when a Deadhead has been to your house? .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. he is still there HA! ------------------------------ From: "Sean Baker" Subject: Re: Don't You Step on My Toes Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:47:03 -0500 "Seth Jackson" wrote in message news:etoki1lv9ljod2dltr2eikqrg8lk1nq3sr@4ax.com... > On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:12:20 -0500, "Steve Terry" > wrote: > >> Jerry Garcia surrounded himself with >>lesser talent for years while a member of the Grateful Dead. > > I'm sure this has been debated here before, but I beg to differ. The > GD were a magical mix of exactly the right talent. JGB was often the culmination of the perfect mix of great talent from different veins of music. Merl, Tut, Kemper, Seals, the Godchaux's. They all new how to LISTEN, JAM, and KEEP THE FUK OFF ONE ANOTHER'S TOES. Whis is why it is very often Very Good. Peace, Sean -- "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas." Hunter S. Thompson My music list for trades: http://db.etree.org/FionaRCB ------------------------------ From: "seraphim" Subject: JGB bt jgb1984-08-15 Orange Community College Middletown, NY Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:50:56 GMT This is a show you all should download ...great guitar playing imo Jerry was hot! ...hell we all were hot The gymnasium was fucking a sweatbox! I am seeding ,snap it up folks!! http://shnflac.dyndns.org/details.php?id=671b78628c5cdc4e5ef118c5c018c479acc6c15a ------------------------------ From: "Sean Baker" Subject: Re: Donna's a real DOLL Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:59:56 -0500 "RickNBarbInSD" wrote in message > I'm not certain how facetious you are or aren't being here Sean, but > although it doesn't seem to be the majority opinion around here I for > one do indeed dig Donna!!!!!!!! > > > Hey that felt kinda good!! While I'm at it: Eric Clapton is > brilliant, the Rolling Stones ROCK, and Jimmy Herring is fucking > awesome!!!!!! > > There! I said it! > > *whew* Felt kinda good. Goddam, Kan't I be taken seriously at least ONCE!!??? I mean it's not like we're ALLWAYS fukin' around at the Chuich. Peace, Sean P.S. NOW if if yer REALLY inta Donna. We have some of those nitrous filled Deep Inside Donna Dolls from the '04 tour that XXXene and the Chuich developed She could come in handy in the carpool lane for you out there too! Ya, know, drivin' ta work in the a. of the m. and ya git that 'Here Come Sunshine' feelin' follerin' me? How much you ask: Cheap, shit, REAL cheap, there only 1/2 filled by now (pawl bearer's cain't keep they mits offa her), HELL how's 2 fer 1 sound? -- "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas." Hunter S. Thompson My music list for trades: http://db.etree.org/FionaRCB ------------------------------ From: "marklaw" Subject: Re: new guy requests company Date: 16 Sep 2005 07:01:31 -0700 Why don't you just have your way with some co-eds? Seems pretty simple to me....... ------------------------------ From: "Sean Baker" Subject: Re: Makin' FRIENDS Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:03:37 -0500 "jimmy the el dee" wrote in message news:KeqWe.748$jS.688@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com... > any of you heads in the DFW area? > i live in arlington, and I gotta meet some people. > > i haven't much time to make friends when all my time goes to being a > professor. > > hopefully this won't warrant many flame posts... i'm just trying to be > friendly. Hey, Litnin' Detecter, If you promise not to scream, Can I show you SOMETHIN'?? Peace, Sean -- "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas." Hunter S. Thompson My music list for trades: http://db.etree.org/FionaRCB ------------------------------ From: "Sean Baker" Subject: Re: High Voltage Learnin' Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:08:35 -0500 "jimmy the el dee" wrote in message news:%YsWe.854$nF3.450@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net... > band beyond description wrote: >> On 2005-09-16 14:31:05 +0900, jimmy the el dee > > >> >> a-HAH! you'll have to do more than that to shed your vestiges...and you >> said you were a professor! were you rounding up little phish chicks >> after class? ## > > ha - no, because that would be against the rules. > and I likes me job Aww, C'mon Teach. You know ya was werkin' that extra-credit Plug an' Socket class. "Now THIS is a BX cable!!!"...."Next class...AC/DC" Yer too much... Peace, Sean -- "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas." Hunter S. Thompson My music list for trades: http://db.etree.org/FionaRCB ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:40:13 -0400 TNKEV wrote: > > greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com wrote: > > I agree it was written to be funny. > > > > But really it is mean and contrived. > > > > They would be obligated to take you on > > a trip. They most likely would. > > I doubt it would be a pleasant thing. > > > > The phrase "like a bowling pin" comes > > to mind as in "Set up". > > > > . > > I can agree there,I am sure uncle Cody doesn't have gas money or money > for food and who gets the money from T shirt sales? > your right though, I don't think it would be a pleasurable > experience. Maybe Joe and his chickie could bid on it and have Cody drive them down to Mt Chimichanga. The bus would use a lot less fuel and emit less pollution than a jet. Plus...he could smoke himself silly the whole way there. What more could a fake hippy want? ------------------------------ From: "Stephen St." Subject: Re: bush sweats it out haha Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:12:13 GMT "Don Bean" wrote in message news:8ayWe.708$gE7.372@fe08.lga... > Dont you just love to see Bush wiggle and squirm when he has to do things > from the middle instead of his comfortable far right... Almost as much as watching folks eat themselves alive over him. ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt Date: 16 Sep 2005 07:29:49 -0700 Carlisle wrote: > > "By the way, we're taking the good pot, too." Not so fast, hombre. > That's what you think. You've apparently never had the Kentucky > Chronic. Besides, we got all the good bourbon and whiskey. And that's > the DAMN TRUTH!! Anyway as my old boss used to say, "Don't let the door > hit you on the ass on your way out." ;} > peace and awe, > cpc You might HAVE it, but in the Fascist Blue States of America would of course be jailed for life for trying to smoke it!! ;D Rick ------------------------------ From: "Stephen St." Subject: Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:30:10 GMT "The Lord of Eltingville" wrote in message news:dgei8e02n9r@news2.newsguy.com... > TNKEV wrote: >> >> greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com wrote: >> > I agree it was written to be funny. >> > >> > But really it is mean and contrived. >> > >> > They would be obligated to take you on >> > a trip. They most likely would. >> > I doubt it would be a pleasant thing. >> > >> > The phrase "like a bowling pin" comes >> > to mind as in "Set up". >> > >> > . >> >> I can agree there,I am sure uncle Cody doesn't have gas money or money >> for food and who gets the money from T shirt sales? >> your right though, I don't think it would be a pleasurable >> experience. > > Maybe Joe and his chickie could bid on it and have Cody drive them down > to Mt Chimichanga. The bus would use a lot less fuel and emit less > pollution than a jet. Plus...he could smoke himself silly the whole way > there. > > What more could a fake hippy want? Total insulation from gays and "perverted" sex? ------------------------------ From: "Rupert" Subject: Re: Jerry for Governor of Louisiana..... Date: 16 Sep 2005 07:31:48 -0700 Can't we have Jerry's ghost for gubner of Callee-fawn-ya first? At least he could pronounce the fucking name of the state. ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:32:17 -0700 "Rogues Island's finest" wrote in message news:1126826349.850862.279990@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com wrote: >> TNKEV wrote: >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Ultimate-Hippie-Vacation_W0QQitemZ5614695213 >> >> You should not dignify this by posting it. >> >> It was clearly put up by people who hate the very idea of hippies - >> probably due to various personal deficiencies that they wish to mask. >> >> The "offer" is at best a set up. > Plus I posted it this morning. > > And you are kidding, right? We ALL know a Cody or two, no? I thought it was hysterical, a real tribute to good old Cody and his way of life. The guy just wants to share his relation with the rest of the world. Not that I'd want to go on the trip. I require a functioning vehicle for my cross country adventures as breakdowns are bummers. And I have enough aliens landing my backyard as it is. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:40:27 -0700 "RandyStoner" wrote in message news:1126824806.503024.142350@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Having been born in LA and having lived in San Francisco and Sonoma > County for many years, I question whether LA is very different from > NorCal. Especially not the scale of difference as exists between > liberal Massachusetts and conservative Alabama. Although, I will admit > that the High Desert where I live now may be closer to Alabama than to > Mass. There sure used to be a big difference, and I think there still is. LA was always far more interested in fakery, fame, bikini babes, cosmetic surgery, and making money than the Bay. But maybe the yuppies of the Bay are now no different than the climbers and posers of SoCal. Sounds like we have some things in common. I grew up in Marin, lived in Sonoma county for many, many years, and now reside in the High Desert (even though its covered with forests, lakes, and verdant agricultural lands--- that's what they call it). I guess the biggest divide in our country today is rural vs. urban, no matter where the rural or urban areas are. 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