From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #297 Dead-Flames Digest #297, Volume #48 Fri, 16 Sep 05 03:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Sonoma County loves their ganja! (Qwerty) Re: Headphones Worsen Hearing Loss (maybe GD content) (Qwerty) Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("Ray") Re: The Meters at the Fillmore ("Bill") Re: Headphones Worsen Hearing Loss (maybe GD content) (Qwerty) Re: Salvia Divinorum: Sage Weed or Devil's Tobakky? (Qwerty) Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? (Seth Jackson) Re: Salvia Divinorum: Sage Weed or Devil's Tobakky? (Qwerty) Re: Salvia Divinorum: Sage Weed or Devil's Tobakky? (Qwerty) Re: What does the government have to do with music? ("Ray") Re: Salvia Divinorum: Sage Weed or Devil's Tobakky? (Qwerty) Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson ("macca281F") Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary (Seth Jackson) Re: Dickey Betts in SF ("Pete") Re: What does the government have to do with music? ("Ray") Failure ("Pete") Dead Show 9 Feb 2004 Warfield SF (Steve Mynott) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Qwerty Subject: Re: Sonoma County loves their ganja! Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:01:15 -0700 On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:38:45 GMT, Heddy Nuggets wrote: >Booie, there is TONS of great bud in the NYC area. you just gotta poke >around. There's great bud everywhere - it's just that sometimes it's more difficult to find for some of us than others. The sad thing is that there seems to be a correlation betweeen age and availability, at least for me anyway. As I grow older, I find it harder to find a good source and when I do I tend to rely too heavily on it, and my most recent source just dried up - not busted, but trying to avoid being so. In my younger days, I had numerous people I could call and someone somewhere would always be able to provide. But the drug war has the effect of making it easier for kids to get pot than fully-emplyed 40 year old professionals who pay shitloads of taxes and don't break any laws not related to the purchase and possession of marijuana. Aye, Que Fucked! But who am I to complain? I can consume as much drugs as I want as long as that drug is booze. It's not nearly as bad for me is it? After all, it's legal. And of course, I have my cigarettes too - I can still legally smoke them in my own home. There's nothing like waking up in the middle of the nite and having to get a nicotine fix so I can go back to sleep - but that only happens if I drink too much. Legal drugs are so great, aren't they? Why would anyone even consider smoking pot? ------------------------------ From: Qwerty Subject: Re: Headphones Worsen Hearing Loss (maybe GD content) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:02:39 -0700 On 13 Sep 2005 11:35:14 -0700, "pookietooth" wrote: >DGDevin wrote: >> >> Pete Townshend has said he blames extended use of headphones at high volumes >> for his hearing loss as opposed to just standing in front of a bunch of >> Hiwatt amps. > >I thought he also blamed it on that explosion Keith Moon set off right >next to him in the early days? That's what I remember hearing. ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 15 Sep 2005 23:05:40 -0700 pv34pv3p wrote: > I never attacked Clinton...Just pointed out the disparity in the media > response... In case you didn't notice, unlike what happened with Katrinka what happened in Chicago didn't destroy an entire major city, didn't result in the displacement of tens if not hundreds of thousands of people, didn't render tens of thousands of people if not more homeless, and didn't result in $100-billion+ in damages. Also re- the media response: the media gave Bush a free ride for years - I'm glad they're finally showing some cajones and are actually reporting the news instead of just being for the most part diseminators of government propaganda (Fox excepted, of course). Ray ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: The Meters at the Fillmore Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 06:05:06 GMT "leftie" wrote in message news:dgccch$man$1@agate.berkeley.edu... > Find out fer yerself about the current Meters: > > Tonight, Thursday, Sept 15 > > The Meters and The Neville Brothers > > on the Late Show with David Letterman > > http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/ They (The Neville Bros and The Meters) are on tomorrow (Friday) night on Letterman. Ted Turner is the first guest. http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/show_info/index.shtml ------------------------------ From: Qwerty Subject: Re: Headphones Worsen Hearing Loss (maybe GD content) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:10:52 -0700 On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:41:06 -0400, JimK wrote: >On 13 Sep 2005 11:35:14 -0700, "pookietooth" >wrote: > >>DGDevin wrote: >>> >>> Pete Townshend has said he blames extended use of headphones at high volumes >>> for his hearing loss as opposed to just standing in front of a bunch of >>> Hiwatt amps. >> >>I thought he also blamed it on that explosion Keith Moon set off right >>next to him in the early days? > >Sounds like Pete's playing the blame game. He's gonna piss Bush off if >he keeps it up. > No, you misunderstand. It's not a "game" if you blame Democrats. After all, the disaster in NOLA is all the fault of Mayor Nagin, or Governor Blanco - it depends on the whim of those laying blame. But if you move up to the Federal level, you are playing the blame game. It's obviously a Democrat that invented and marketed headphones in the first place. Just look at the brand names of the best headphones I have had in my lifetime. There's Koss, Sennheiser and Bang & Olufsen. Do those sound like AMERICAN names? Hell no! I think Stax is an American company, but when I was shown those, I simply couldn't afford them - they were about $1000 and that was back in the '80s. I had to settle for the Nazi brandl back then. Those are obviously pinko-commie, terrorist-loving, freedom hating brands! >JimK ------------------------------ From: Qwerty Subject: Re: Salvia Divinorum: Sage Weed or Devil's Tobakky? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:18:37 -0700 On 11 Sep 2005 06:03:55 -0700, "Sparky the Wonder Dog" wrote: >Strangers are walking up to me to shake my hand and sing the praises of >salvia divinorum. But internet accounts of the trip don't make it sound >all that attractive--unless getting rid of your ego and getting sucked >up into the great cosmic void is your idea of fun. So what is this >stuff: sage weed or the devil's tobakky? I've never tried it myself - I figured that since it wasn't widely used or known already and since I've heard from some source that all it does it severely mess your mind for a few minutes followed by hours long headaches that it probably wasn't worth trying, especially since it hasn't been declared illegal yet. If I want to send my mind to outer space, I'll stick to LSD or psylocibin. I consider Salvia to be in a similar category to angel dust or Jimson weed. I don't think it's quite as bad as either of those, but it sounds like it's too "out there' and too short-lived for my tastes. I won't say I'll never try it as I do with PCP or Jimson weed, but it's not something I am actively seeking out - if it were, I would have already tried it. Just give me a hit off that joint and I'll be more than happy. ------------------------------ From: Seth Jackson Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Reply-To: hitmeister .at. mindspring .dot. com Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 06:19:16 GMT On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:12:20 -0500, "Steve Terry" wrote: > Jerry Garcia surrounded himself with >lesser talent for years while a member of the Grateful Dead. I'm sure this has been debated here before, but I beg to differ. The GD were a magical mix of exactly the right talent. ------------------------------ From: Qwerty Subject: Re: Salvia Divinorum: Sage Weed or Devil's Tobakky? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:21:06 -0700 On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 03:29:13 +0900, band beyond description <123@456.com> wrote: >~"Bang Bang," David Bowie "Well I shot him with my shooter, said Bang, Bang, Bang!" - Frank Zappa I think that trumps Bowie's lyric ;-) ------------------------------ From: Qwerty Subject: Re: Salvia Divinorum: Sage Weed or Devil's Tobakky? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:23:13 -0700 On 12 Sep 2005 06:42:22 -0700, greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com wrote: >Sounds like garbage... > That's my impression >Descriptions sound like advertising... > Much like the fake pot they advertise in High Times - not that I have any personal experience in either. I stick to the tried and true - if I want a mellow buzz, go with pot, if I want to blow my mind, go with 'shrooms or 'cid. If I want to dull my senses, there's alcohol. >If it was not inferior it would be illegal... exactly > >. ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: What does the government have to do with music? Date: 15 Sep 2005 23:24:46 -0700 Ray wrote: > The old geezer wrote: > > Your hard earned tax$$$$$ at work! > > * Cost of these NEA awards: $175,000 > > * NEA annual budget: ~$100,000,000 > > * Cost of Iraq war, per day: ~$186,000,000 > > * Cost of Iraq War, to date: ~$194,160,000,000 > > * Federal Iraq contracts awarded to Halliburton, through 12/04: > $10,800,000,000 > > * Cost of corporate giveaway to a consortium based in House Majority > Leader Tom DeLay's hometown of Sugar Land, Texas, in latest House > energy bill: $375,000,000 > > * Change in federal budget allocated to Army Corps of Engineers for New > Orleans constrution projects, from FY 2001 to FY 2005: -$65,000,000 > (-40%) > > * Initial rough estimate of damage to New Orleans from Katrinka: > $100,000,000,000 * Change in annual federal spending *outside of* military and homeland security increased between fiscal years 2001 and 2005: +303,000,000,000 That's an annual federal spending increase of $303 billion over the past four years, and that's not even taking into account the Iraq war, amongst other things. "Your hard-earned tax dollars at work" indeed. Gotta love those big-government, big-spending Republicans - or not. Ray ------------------------------ From: Qwerty Subject: Re: Salvia Divinorum: Sage Weed or Devil's Tobakky? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:27:03 -0700 On 12 Sep 2005 16:58:51 -0700, "Roger" wrote: > >dearmeyer® wrote: >> > Sounds like garbage... >> > >> > Descriptions sound like advertising... >> > >> > If it was not inferior it would be illegal... >> > >> >> It will be illegal soon. Not garbage but not a party drug. It's kind of like >> DMT, but not really. I only smoke it about once a month, just to say hi to >> the other world. > >My thoughts exactly. Right now it's sort of under the radar, if it >becomes very popular it will be outlawed. It seems to be coming more and more popular in the last few years - in fact, my biggest incentive to trying it is that I should do it now before it becomes illegal. I know it's not anything like pot, but if this dry spell I'm suffering doesn't let up, I probably will set aside an evening in which to experiment with it. I'm sure I'd be much more content with a good joint though. >Also, once I do it, I have no desire to do it again anytime soon. Not >that I don't "enjoy" it, but it's so intense my brain\mind needs time >to figure out what the hell happened. And it *is* certainly a doorway >to the other world. I'm not even sure I want to go the other world anymore - I much prefer tweaking the real world than going to a different one. > >Roger ------------------------------ From: "macca281F" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: 15 Sep 2005 23:36:13 -0700 <>Donz Thanks, I'll do that. God Only Knows is very early though, isn't it? It is beautiful, and I believe Paul referred to it as the perfect pop song. Interesting story...my friend did some tour work with the BBs, and was it Carl who did that song? In any case, whichever one it was, right after he died, the BBs were oin tour, and Carl's wife was in the audience. Apparently God Only Knows was his song to her, but now someone else (probably jackass Mike Love) sang it and she ran out in tears. Very tasteless, IMO. Stefan ------------------------------ From: Seth Jackson Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary Reply-To: hitmeister .at. mindspring .dot. com Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 06:36:32 GMT On 15 Sep 2005 12:42:56 -0700, "imsjry" wrote: > >mpog...@comcast.net wrote: >> This thread blows me away. For years everyone seemed to be saying >> "when are they going to release some LOM." Now that they do, the nay >> sayers have emerged. I guess we all have our opinions (even when >> they're wrong :) ) >> >> Personally, I would take Merl over Melvyn and Ron Tutt over any other >> drummer in Garcia's various bands. Merl and his songs added another >> layer to Garcia's playing; Tutt was a fireball that kept wonderful time >> and added intricate rhytms that wove in and out of Kahn's bass lines. >> Fierro, I'll grant you, can get a little annoying at times. He's sure >> no great saxaphonist, but mostly fitted in very nicely except when he >> was being too esoteric. >> >> For those of you that appreciate this amazing version of a Gracia Band >> and if you're looking for the quintessential LOM show, you need to find >> >> 4/11/75 -- both sets from Tower Theatre in Philadelphia. It has the >> best version of How Sweet It Is (think Morning Dew from 5/8/77) and the >> best version of Tough Mama. Garcia couldn't have been any happier and >> it shows. He seemed >> dosed. He kept looking at his guitar and smiled as if he was as >> amazed as anyone at what was coming out of it. Great versions of >> every song played. Killer Wicked Messenger. > >Well then, maybe they just released some dud shows. I'll seek this one >out. I was really disappointed with the Rhino release. Thin sound, >flubbed lyrics, and when Jer ain't playing, nothing is happening! The >horn guy bairly solos and Merl, well... I haven't heard that much LOM, but I saw them in '75 at the Capitol Theater in Passaic, NJ (early show), and was blown away. Jerry never played better. The few LOM tapes I've heard were waaaaaayyyyy smokin', too. ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Pete" From: "Pete" Subject: Re: Dickey Betts in SF Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 06:37:57 GMT "Joe" wrote in message news:3ou5quF7rm4eU1@individual.net... > joker4153@comcast.net wrote: > > Got my ticket for Dickey Betts & Great Southern next week at the > > Independant. Anyone else going? > > Me and Geraldine. > > Joe I'll be there too. ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: What does the government have to do with music? Date: 15 Sep 2005 23:37:58 -0700 Ray wrote: > Ray wrote: > > The old geezer wrote: > > > Your hard earned tax$$$$$ at work! > > > > * Cost of these NEA awards: $175,000 > > > > * NEA annual budget: ~$100,000,000 > > > > * Cost of Iraq war, per day: ~$186,000,000 > > > > * Cost of Iraq War, to date: ~$194,160,000,000 > > > > * Federal Iraq contracts awarded to Halliburton, through 12/04: > > $10,800,000,000 > > > > * Cost of corporate giveaway to a consortium based in House Majority > > Leader Tom DeLay's hometown of Sugar Land, Texas, in latest House > > energy bill: $375,000,000 > > > > * Change in federal budget allocated to Army Corps of Engineers for New > > Orleans constrution projects, from FY 2001 to FY 2005: -$65,000,000 > > (-40%) > > > > * Initial rough estimate of damage to New Orleans from Katrinka: > > $100,000,000,000 > > * Change in annual federal spending *outside of* military and homeland > security between fiscal years 2001 and 2005: +303,000,000,000 > > That's an annual federal spending increase of $303 billion over the > past four years, and that's not even taking into account the Iraq war, > amongst other things. "Your hard-earned tax dollars at work" indeed. > > Gotta love those big-government, big-spending Republicans - or not. That $300-billion+ increase in annual federal spending was also pre-Katrina. This just in: ================================================ Katrina Ushers in Return of Big Government - - - - - - - - - - - - By TOM RAUM Associated Press Writer September 15,2005 | WASHINGTON -- The era of big government is back. President Bush is presiding over what is sure to be the most expensive government relief and reconstruction operation in U.S. history. With estimates of the federal tab ranging up to $200 billion for rebuilding New Orleans and other storm-ravaged Gulf Coast cities, Bush and his Republican allies in Congress are casting aside budget discipline. They're also deferring -- for now -- vows to finish the Reagan revolution against big government and turning to some of the same kinds of public health, housing and job assistance programs they once criticized as legacies of the Democrats' New Deal and Great Society. Hurricane Katrina also opened the floodgates to proposals in Congress building on a host of long-cherished Republican themes. These include proposals for school vouchers for storm-displaced children, more federal support for "faith-based" organizations engaged in hurricane relief, as well as business-friendly "enterprise zone" tax credits for enterprises that rebuild in stricken areas and eased environmental and labor-protection requirements. "The fact of the matter is when our nation faces these type of emergencies, it unfortunately requires us to deficit spend. It's nothing that anybody in Washington, or anywhere for that matter, likes to do but it's necessary," White House counselor Dan Bartlett said ahead of Bush's Thursday night speech to the nation. ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Pete" From: "Pete" Subject: Failure Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:01:23 GMT 1. Go to http://www.google.com 2. Type in "failure". 3. Click on "I'm feeling lucky". ------------------------------ From: Steve Mynott Subject: Dead Show 9 Feb 2004 Warfield SF Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:04:37 +0100 (BST) I'm after a recording of the 2/9/2004 Warfield Dead SF (because I was there). Is there anywhere I can download this? (lossy format like MP3 OK) -- Steve Mynott ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .