From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #295 Dead-Flames Digest #295, Volume #48 Thu, 15 Sep 05 20:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Bush Shows Character, as Usual - Democrats Continue to Lie ("YoMama") Re: Hey New Guy! ("Steve Terry") Re: Last call for Syd vine! (LONG & NDC) (band beyond description) Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson (mrleeleerand@yahoo.com) Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? ("Steve Terry") Re: Syd vine is now CLOSED (band beyond description) Re: Syd vine is now CLOSED (NDC) (band beyond description) Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("pv34pv3p") Re: Hey New Guy! ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("YoMama") Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("pv34pv3p") Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! (greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com) Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("pv34pv3p") Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson ("donz5") Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! (greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com) Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("pv34pv3p") SK@Earthdance this Saturday(NDC) (band beyond description) Re: Is there a right way to seal a smoke when using Club papers? (Tom Beck) Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt (band beyond description) Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! (JimK) Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! (JimK) Re: Hey New Guy! (jimmy the el dee) Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("pv34pv3p") new guy requests company (jimmy the el dee) Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson ("Bip Bop") Re: Hot Damn, Money from my Corporate Murika Scum of an Employer (NDC) (joker4153@comcast.net) Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("YoMama") Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("YoMama") Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt (Tom Beck) Re: Speaking of horns... ("Sparky the Wonder Dog") Re: Dickey Betts in SF (joker4153@comcast.net) Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! ("pv34pv3p") Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! (DG) Re: SK@Earthdance this Saturday(NDC) (DG) Re: Salvia Divinorum: Sage Weed or Devil's Tobakky? ("Sparky the Wonder Dog") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: 15 Sep 2005 17:49:16 -0700 Joe wrote: > It wasn't until I got on rmgd that I found out that Donna sucked. Or, so I > was told. I loved her back in the 1970s, and the Keith/Donna era is my > favorite era of the Dead. > > Joe ZAKLY!!!!!!!!! I wuz talkin' ta Jeff (Frndthdevl) behind Winston's jokin', sayin' "Things I've learned on RMGD: Donna sucks. Keith sucks. Eric Clapton sucks. The Rolling Stones suck. Steve Kimock Band sucks. Jimmy Herring sucks. etc., etc., etc. Didn't know any o' that till I started hangin' around here!" Don't get me wrong. I know what they say about opinions, but I do find it amusing nevertheless. Rick ------------------------------ From: "YoMama" Subject: Re: Bush Shows Character, as Usual - Democrats Continue to Lie Date: 15 Sep 2005 17:54:27 -0700 "Nagin is either a moron or a loyal civil servant." I understand the "moron", but not the "loyal civil servant"... did somebody actually, specifically tell him not to do anything? Aren't the citizens and taxpayers and VOTERS in New Orleans his responsibility regardless? ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: Hey New Guy! Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:55:40 -0500 "Carlisle" wrote in message news:1126830767.067091.270680@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Steve Terry wrote: >> Okay, mister smarty pants Lighting Designer, how many deadheads does it >> take >> to change a light bulb? > > Jimmy is currently out of the office: > ========================================= > So the question is: How many deadheads does it take to change a light > bulb?? > That's a good one..I'm gonna say, it depends on what's happening with > the hallucinations. ;) > Are you referring to the black light light bulb or the lava lamp light bulb? ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Last call for Syd vine! (LONG & NDC) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:57:03 +0900 On 2005-09-16 09:31:07 +0900, Joe said: > Steve Lenier wrote: > >> Woohoo! Pick me Monty, I didn't dress up like a chicken and an egg for no >> reason! Peck my beak when you get back. > > If I forget, I hope you'll remind me. > > I also hope that upon my return from Mexico, I won't be spending the > entire next month on the toilet. > Jose well, I'm gonna wrap up the vine and send it out. it's good that it sounds like you can get it later at your leisure from the domestic denizens...if any of you space it out, lmk. -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: mrleeleerand@yahoo.com Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: 15 Sep 2005 18:11:06 -0700 Brian Wilson has always been way over-rated IMHO. ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:12:20 -0500 "Steve Terry" wrote in message news:dgd3n3$16ui$1@news.iquest.net... > > wrote in message > news:1126747297.935997.269500@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>i happen to like jazz a great deal. i don't think you could classify >> LOM >> as 'true' jazz. it does share the improvisational elements, but LOM >> has a unique sound. i would even dare say the sound is not even close >> to what some would call 'fusion'. it is improvisational rock with a >> horn section. >> even the song selection is more oriented towards rock than jazz. >> classifying LOM as a jazz band is a stretch. >> >> >> -m >> > > Well, I'm listening to Wonderin' Why from 4/6/75 right now and it sounds > jazzy to me, but what do I know. Anyways, you're right, in that most of > LOM's stuff is more straight ahead rock 'n roll. I've heard some of > Fiero's playing and there were a few high pitched squeaks that caused me > to cringe, but for the most part he was alright. I like this stuff. It's a > nice change of pace from another China>Rider or Scarlet>Fire. > And the sax is right where it needs to be on Mystery Train. So what if Fierro ain't as good as Coltrane. Jerry Garcia surrounded himself with lesser talent for years while a member of the Grateful Dead. Why should his side projects have been any different? ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Syd vine is now CLOSED Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:28:57 +0900 SSIA -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Syd vine is now CLOSED (NDC) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:29:31 +0900 ssia -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 15 Sep 2005 18:30:10 -0700 Funny...Neither article mentions any sort of Federal response...This tragedy occurred over a 7 day period. And what does Clinton "eventually" do? Make an airconditioner even more unobtainable for the poor suffering bastards... Gotta go...W's giving every displaced family a house...Have to get back to ya as to what the seer rating of the AC unit... pv34pv3p(Your cool aid's getting warm leftie...) ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Hey New Guy! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:42:18 GMT "Steve Terry" wrote in message "Carlisle" > wrote in message > Steve Terry wrote: >> Okay, mister smarty pants Lighting Designer, how many deadheads does it >> take >> to change a light bulb? > > Jimmy is currently out of the office: > ========================================= > So the question is: How many deadheads does it take to change a light > bulb?? > That's a good one..I'm gonna say, it depends on what's happening with > the hallucinations. ;) > Are you referring to the black light light bulb or the lava lamp light bulb? ******************************************* You're assuming the light bulb wants to change.... ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:47:11 GMT "leftie" > wrote in message pv34pv3p wrote: > http://www.frontlist.com/detail/0226443213 Nice try, pv, but a category 5 hurricane post-9/11 -- and post-Homeland Security taking over FEMA -- is a whole lot different than a heatwave pre-9/11. ************************************ I was on my honeymoon in SF at the time.... I guess it was a somewhat hot! ------------------------------ From: "YoMama" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 15 Sep 2005 18:48:29 -0700 The 13 SEER rating applies to central AC units which would not be affordable or applicable to most low-income families in Chicago. A window unit would actually be more cost-effective for zone cooling and probably also not a financial option. I think we're talking about low or no income families here and ineffectiveness of local government. ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:58:59 GMT "leftie" wrote in message ... I see that link was already posted earlier in the thread... **************************** What I see are all the vulnerable, border states, voting for someone else. ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 15 Sep 2005 19:02:37 -0700 YoMama... Excellent observations...and further proof that the raucus indignation post Katrina is more political chaf than wheat... As to this question: How much of our concern is for these victims and how much is actually related to embarrassment caused by mistakes made at every level with the world watching? I'd say: Embarassed? Compared to what? This? http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/28/1061663874954.html?oneclick=true pv34pv3p(Europe's a nice place to visit, but a shitty place to live...) ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 02:06:02 GMT "YoMama" > wrote in message ... The 13 SEER rating applies to central AC units which would not be affordable or applicable to most low-income families in Chicago. A window unit would actually be more cost-effective for zone cooling and probably also not a financial option. I think we're talking about low or no income families here and ineffectiveness of local government. ***************************************************** Yo Mama, Chicago has "cooling centers" where people are encouraged to go when they don't have central air, ac, or a freaking fan. Your choice: should I stay or should I go now? ------------------------------ From: greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com Subject: Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! Date: 15 Sep 2005 19:07:27 -0700 The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > TNKEV wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Ultimate-Hippie-Vacation_W0QQitemZ5614695213 > > > > You should not dignify this by posting it. > > > > It was clearly put up by people who hate the very idea of hippies - > > probably due to various personal deficiencies that they wish to mask. > > Dr Phil_osiphizer is in the house... Heh! > > > > > The "offer" is at best a set up. > > > > . ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 15 Sep 2005 19:09:18 -0700 My bad...that link required requires registration... Try this... www.theage.com.au/articles/ 2003/08/28/1061663874954.html pv34pv3p ------------------------------ From: "donz5" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: 15 Sep 2005 19:10:53 -0700 mrleeleer wrote: >Brian Wilson has always been way over-rated IMHO. On what basis do you think he's over-rated? His melodies? His song structures? His production techniques? Just curious. ------------------------------ From: greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com Subject: Re: The ultimate hippy vacation! Date: 15 Sep 2005 19:11:27 -0700 I agree it was written to be funny. But really it is mean and contrived. They would be obligated to take you on a trip. They most likely would. I doubt it would be a pleasant thing. The phrase "like a bowling pin" comes to mind as in "Set up". .. ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 15 Sep 2005 19:17:51 -0700 >Yo Mama, >Chicago has "cooling centers" where people are encouraged to go >when they don't have central air, ac, or a freaking fan. Your >choice: should I stay or should I go now? And New Orleans had busses...Getting someone to drive them was a whole 'nuther prollem... Not sure if W has a CDL or not... pv34pv3p(Pehaps leftie could look into that for us...) ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: SK@Earthdance this Saturday(NDC) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:20:41 +0900 Wish i could be there! from -- http://www.earthdance.org/sf/artisthome.html For more than 25 years, guitarist Steve Kimock has astounded audiences with his soul-stirring sound, extraordinary creativity, and unparalleled mastery of his instruments. A relentless innovator, Kimock's passion for defying musical boundaries has earned the respect of musicians and fans alike, and he is widely considered one of the music world's most talented improvisational guitarists. Kimock's compositions and playing style are truly unique, drawing upon a variety of styles, from blues to folk, jazz to Indian, African to psychedelic rock. His illustrious tone is distinctive and his sound is unmatched - the result of endless experimentation with customized equipment, amplification and speaker design. http://www.kimock.com Main Stage Saturday Night (September 17, 2005) -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: Is there a right way to seal a smoke when using Club papers? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:27:03 -0500 ba ba booie wrote: > cpkver8@BURDENadelphia.net > (ck) wrote: > i always only rolled with s.d. modiano clubs sans glue. the little > ones... > > bbb wrote: > I think I have used those kind of papers. > Were those the one's with the glue over the whole paper? Is that these > papers? :http://store1.yimg.com/I/buddhasbellyonline_1859_45411168 I > just remember using papers called Club. With the older guy on the cover. > > > The question I have is, in my daze of using these papers I have come > across a couple of ways to seal the smoke when your are done wrapping > it. Which one is right? > > (1) I have seen some people shred a thin piece off of the top of the > sheet. Then slobber over the whole thing until it was sealed. > > (2) I have seen some people just wrap the whole thing and then just > slobber all over it until it was saturated and then all the glue on the > paper just gelled together. > > (3) I have seen some people just lick the top of the paper like there > was glue on the top. > > Is there a right way and wrong way to seal those kind of papers? I used > method #3. > > Out off all papers in the world I like to roll with those. I think there > selling point is that it leaves no ash or very little? I gotta find some > of those. > They were pretty good back in the daze. > But sometimes it just unrolled. > There was no consistency. > > That's why I like/switched to > E-Z wider lites. They are not the greatest, but the glue is amazing. > Some people say the glue is from some kind of goop. Anyone know any info > on that? > > I will try to seek out Club papers in my local tobacco shop. Usually you > only find them in hippie/Rasta shops. What is with the hippies and their > club papers? > > Is there a right way to seal a smoke when using Club papers? #2 is probably the most effective. Just remember to roll from the middle out, as opposed to the ends in, and don't put too much in. You can always make another if need be. Tom ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:23:13 +0900 On 2005-09-15 23:16:12 +0900, "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" said: > > "RickNBarbInSD" wrote in message > news:1126729803.992925.133970@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >> Dear Red States... >> >> We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and >> we're taking the other Blue States with us. In case you aren't aware, >> that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, >> Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. > > > Every now and then someone seriously proposes the new nation of > Columbia, named after the mighty river. > > The idea is to group US states and Canadian provinces with similar > attitudes and lifestyles. The assumption is that Canada is dead as a > country, so the provinces need to go somewhere. > > Columbia would consist of British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, and > northern California. Some would add northern Idaho or all of Idaho > and western Montana and maybe Alberta. I'd add Alaska and the Yukon. > > This would be a nation rich in natural resources, along with a desire > to protect them. Ag production would be huge. Several sophisticated > cities with large Asian populations and the many ports and thousands of > miles of Pacific Coastline would have Columbia looking to the Pacific > Rim for natural trading partners. > > The people and towns of Columbia would have far more in common with > each other than they do with the people and towns of New Jersey or > Quebec. The transition would be easy culturally. > > I like when stuff like this rears its head, like the old split > California in half idea. Always thought that was a great idea, as the > Bay Area and LA are as different from each other as Alabama is > different from Massachusetts. > > Of course maybe some diversity is a good thing. The assumption with > this stuff is that everyone wants the various parts of their country to > be the same. I say ok, but within Columbia there would still be > tremendous diversity. > > Not that this will ever happen in a billion years.......... > > EGBH as Zippy the Pinhead says, "Where do I defect?" -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:24:43 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On 15 Sep 2005 17:18:19 -0700, "YoMama" wrote: >I was not aware of this 1995 disaster which was caused by nature and >made worse by bureaucracy and killed over 700 people during Clinton's >presidency. And it would appear the victims were similar to those in >the gulf area - the poor and elderly. > >Where was all the sound and fury then? As if the Chicago loss had no >real presence. Why are the Katrina victims more newsworthy? How much >of our concern is for these victims and how much is actually related to >embarrassment caused by mistakes made at every level with the world >watching? Ask yo mama, troll. JimK ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:25:26 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On 15 Sep 2005 19:09:18 -0700, "pv34pv3p" wrote: >My bad...that link required requires registration... > >Try this... > >www.theage.com.au/articles/ 2003/08/28/1061663874954.html > >pv34pv3p Hateful Mark's other personalities seem to be coming out lately. Too bad they're all the same. JimK ------------------------------ From: jimmy the el dee Subject: Re: Hey New Guy! Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 02:30:43 GMT Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > "Steve Terry" wrote in message > "Carlisle" > wrote in message > >>Steve Terry wrote: >> >>>Okay, mister smarty pants Lighting Designer, how many deadheads does it >>>take >>>to change a light bulb? >> >>Jimmy is currently out of the office: >>========================================= >>So the question is: How many deadheads does it take to change a light >>bulb?? >>That's a good one..I'm gonna say, it depends on what's happening with >>the hallucinations. ;) >> > > > Are you referring to the black light light bulb or the lava lamp light bulb? > ******************************************* > You're assuming the light bulb wants to change.... > > > ha it takes one to change the lightbulb and the rest of us to try and trip over the lava lamp and black light to change the tape ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 15 Sep 2005 19:30:59 -0700 The official toll seems to have been nearly 22,000... Europe is not alone. Heatwaves kill more people in the United States than hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes and floods combined. Yet heatwaves are not a typical natural hazard, inflicting instantly recognisable damage. Few people are aware of the dangers. Heatwaves trigger silent disasters, which explains why most governments fail to raise the alarm in time. Those who suffer are the elderly and marginalized http://www.ifrc.org/publicat/wdr2004/chapter2.asp pv34pv3p(Don't start with that global warming shit again either...) ------------------------------ From: jimmy the el dee Subject: new guy requests company Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 02:38:34 GMT any of you heads in the DFW area? i live in arlington, and I gotta meet some people. i haven't much time to make friends when all my time goes to being a professor. hopefully this won't warrant many flame posts... i'm just trying to be friendly. ------------------------------ From: "Bip Bop" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: NYRB on Smile by brian wilson Date: 15 Sep 2005 19:39:08 -0700 It was nominated for Best Pop Album and rightfully so! Obviously there are are "trolls" even in the legitimate press. ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: Hot Damn, Money from my Corporate Murika Scum of an Employer (NDC) Date: 15 Sep 2005 19:39:28 -0700 What you need is a west coast vacation! Email me offline... (Damn, don't ya just love miracle money?!) ------------------------------ From: "YoMama" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 15 Sep 2005 19:42:10 -0700 They do NOW. Not then. ------------------------------ From: "YoMama" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 15 Sep 2005 19:43:16 -0700 Mind your manners. Sincerely, Mama ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:51:03 -0500 Ray wrote: > >>What it boils down to is; What's the color, and who makes, the Cool Aid >>your drinking??? Jim Jones? ------------------------------ From: "Sparky the Wonder Dog" Subject: Re: Speaking of horns... Date: 15 Sep 2005 19:47:14 -0700 Frank Zappa - Mothers of Invention used brass--not my favorite music and who knows if Frank Zappa is "traditional" rock--by now he's classic rock... ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: Dickey Betts in SF Date: 15 Sep 2005 19:48:09 -0700 Just the two of you? See ya there. Larry ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: 15 Sep 2005 19:51:16 -0700 >Hateful Mark's other personalities seem to be coming out lately. Too >bad they're all the same. >JimK And the incessant bleating of leftist sheep...is somehow more appealing??? pv34pv3p(He said to a herd of leftist sheep...) ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: 700 Dead in Chicago!...President/FEMA fail to act! Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:55:00 -0700 pv34pv3p wrote: > >Funny...Neither article mentions any sort of Federal response...This >tragedy occurred over a 7 day period. > >And what does Clinton "eventually" do? Make an airconditioner even more >unobtainable for the poor suffering bastards... > >Gotta go...W's giving every displaced family a house...Have to get back >to ya as to what the seer rating of the AC unit... Bush is such a piece of shit that you have to attack Clinton because there is no defense for Dumbya. Babs is a "silver douchebag" according to George Carlin. Figures that Laura is cut from the same mold. F U Dumbya.... ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: SK@Earthdance this Saturday(NDC) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:59:16 -0700 band beyond description <123@456.com> wrote: > >Wish i could be there! > >from -- http://www.earthdance.org/sf/artisthome.html > >For more than 25 years, guitarist Steve Kimock has astounded audiences >with his soul-stirring sound, extraordinary creativity, and >unparalleled mastery of his instruments. LOL... For more than 25 horrid years, guitarist Steve Kimock has bored audiences with his muzak, incredibly horrid stage presence and and noodling of his instruments. The acid must be great. ------------------------------ From: "Sparky the Wonder Dog" Subject: Re: Salvia Divinorum: Sage Weed or Devil's Tobakky? Date: 15 Sep 2005 19:59:55 -0700 I dunno--I checked out the DEA and FDA .gov sites and they don't seem interested. FDA: don't call your drugs dietary supplements; FDA: yeah, people are using it, oh well ...( http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/newark_intel_bulletin_salvia.html) ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .