From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #290 Dead-Flames Digest #290, Volume #48 Thu, 15 Sep 05 10:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Is there a right way to seal a smoke when using Club papers? (Brad Greer) Re: The Meters at the Fillmore (Brad Greer) Re: Speaking of horns... (mrose101) Re: No Shame: The Federal Response to Katrina Was Not as Portrayed (Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com) Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? (JonP) Re: GDTSTOO - Phil Lesh and Friends Winter Tour 2005 (DB) Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt ("Ray") Re: No Shame: The Federal Response to Katrina Was Not as Portrayed ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? (JC Martin) Re: Bush Shows Character, as Usual - Democrats Continue to Lie (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Speaking of horns... (JC Martin) Re: The Meters at the Fillmore (JC Martin) Re: Speaking of horns... ("Deke_Rivers") Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? (JC Martin) Re: Anyone have a vacation coming up? ("Dave Kelly") Re: Speaking of horns... ("Roger") Re: Drive Thru Flirtations ("sacha") Re: has anyone been named after technology or science or mathematics? ("jadel") Re: GDTSTOO - Phil Lesh and Friends Winter Tour 2005 ("Eli Renfro") Hot Damn, Money from my Corporate Murika Scum of an Employer (NDC) ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: The Meters at the Fillmore (Brad Greer) Re: Why do Donna like THAT??? (JimK) Re: The Meters at the Fillmore ("Eli Renfro") Re: Hot Damn, Money from my Corporate Murika Scum of an Employer (NDC) (brew ziggins) Re: No Shame: The Federal Response to Katrina Was Not as Portrayed (JC Martin) Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt ("RickNBarbInSD") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: Is there a right way to seal a smoke when using Club papers? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:31:09 -0400 On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 03:30:53 -0400, ba_ba_b00ie@webtv.net (ba ba booie) wrote: > >cpkver8@BURDENadelphia.net >(ck) wrote: >  i always only rolled with s.d. modiano clubs sans glue. the little >ones... > >bbb wrote: >I think I have used those kind of papers. >Were those the one's with the glue over the whole paper? Is that these >papers? :http://store1.yimg.com/I/buddhasbellyonline_1859_45411168 I >just remember using papers called Club. With the older guy on the cover. > > >The question I have is, in my daze of using these papers I have come >across a couple of ways to seal the smoke when your are done wrapping >it. Which one is right? > >(1) I have seen some people shred a thin piece off of the top of the >sheet. Then slobber over the whole thing until it was sealed. > >(2) I have seen some people just wrap the whole thing and then just >slobber all over it until it was saturated and then all the glue on the >paper just gelled together. > >(3) I have seen some people just lick the top of the paper like there >was glue on the top. > >Is there a right way and wrong way to seal those kind of papers? I used >method #3. > >Out off all papers in the world I like to roll with those. I think there >selling point is that it leaves no ash or very little? I gotta find some >of those. >They were pretty good back in the daze. >But sometimes it just unrolled. >There was no consistency. > >That's why I like/switched to >E-Z wider lites. They are not the greatest, but the glue is amazing. >Some people say the glue is from some kind of goop. Anyone know any info >on that? > >I will try to seek out Club papers in my local tobacco shop. Usually you >only find them in hippie/Rasta shops. What is with the hippies and their >club papers? > >Is there a right way to seal a smoke when using Club papers? > I've never heard that Club papers had glue "all over the whole paper", rather your saliva (sounds so much nicer than "spit") would help the paper fibers intermesh somehow. The way we always roll Club papers is to tear off a little strip on the top and lick that like you would lick the strip of glue on a regular paper. Seems to work pretty well, none of the inconsistencies you note (although not tearing a strip off would probably cause problems getting the fibers to mesh). And yes, the lack of ash is a big selling point. As well as not smoking that glue stuff. ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: The Meters at the Fillmore Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:34:21 -0400 On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:36:31 GMT, "Dave Kelly" wrote: >The original band...Art Neville/Zigaboo/George Porter/Nocentelli >November 18th & 19th >Fillmore auditorium - San Francisco >$75.00 >Um....did I just type $75.00 >Lemmee check. >Yeah.....$75.00 >Pass. > The original Meters are as good as it gets. $75 is a steal for this show (I'd see them in New York if I wasn't out of town when they're playing). ------------------------------ From: mrose101 Subject: Re: Speaking of horns... Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:47:09 GMT the.stugots@gmail.com wrote: >Can anyone name a traditional 'rock' band where a horn section does >work? >I guess if Springsteen is to your liking, Clemmons does work-take him >out, >and you have a completely different sound. In general, i prefer my rock >without brass. > >In contrast, horns compliment reggae a great deal. > >just a thought, not a sermon... > > >-m > > > The Band.....Rock of Ages, Last Waltz....et al. ------------------------------ From: Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com Subject: Re: No Shame: The Federal Response to Katrina Was Not as Portrayed Date: 15 Sep 2005 07:52:06 -0700 Rogues Island's finest wrote: > That's a fair question, and I have no idea what the Navy policy is on > such things. It's important to remember that New Orleans woke up on > Tuesday morning thinking that they'd dodged the bullet. That's Republican spin. Just go try to find reports at the time that New Orleans had "dodged the bullet". The local paper was already talking catastrophe. ------------------------------ From: JonP Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:05:55 -0700 On 14 Sep 2005 13:05:27 -0700, "imsjry" wrote: >I just can't get into this Legion of Mary stuff. I like all things >Jerry too. There isn't a period of Jerry/Dead that I don't love for >various reasons. But I could never get into the LOM stuff. I LOVE jazz >too. It just all sounds...sterle and under-rehearsed or something. Any >other heads just not dig the LOM? Besides the acoustic band stuff, Legion was always my favorite solo jerry stuff..Well, maybe the stuff just him and john kahn did was great as well.. Jonp ------------------------------ From: DB Subject: Re: GDTSTOO - Phil Lesh and Friends Winter Tour 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:02:04 -0400 ba ba booie wrote: > > GDTSTOO - Phil Lesh and Friends Winter Tour 2005 > > > DFspamoffskiBayne@aol.com > (DB) wrote: > So who knows anything about this NJPAC place in Newark? > > bbb wrote: > I think it is a couple of blocks from the Newark stop on the path train. > > (DB) wrote: > How easy is it to get to and from the PATH from NYC > > bbb wrote: > Quite easy. > There are many stops in NYC. > There is 34 street, 23 street, 14 street, 9th street, Christopher > street. Hop on there and B-line it all the way to te end, last stop. > That will be Newark. Ya walk down stairs in the station and walk a few > blocks to the *New Jersey Performing Arts Center? It looks close when > driving I drove past there. > > (DB) wrote: > and can one do it and be reasonably certain to remain in one piece? > > bbb wrote: > If you make it out of NYC alive then you should *almost* survive Newark, > New Jersey. > > Just don't wear your gold chains around your neck or those diamonds on > your fingers and strut around the train station. All eyes are watching > you at that station. > > > booie......... > > . > LOL. Thanks for the fashion advice. By any chance are those eyes you speak of the eyes of the world? DB ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt Date: 15 Sep 2005 08:16:41 -0700 pv34pv3p wrote: >>> Re-run the stats by county and the figures would be considerably less >>> in all regards, except perhaps crime rate. > > >>You forgot population. And education. And income, tax revenue, and >>venture capital. And the number of top-quality universities, high-tech > >>corporations, and wineries. And the number of people who believe in >>evolution, global warming, and other truths about reality that have >>been proven by science. And the number of people who know that that >>Saddam was not involved in 9/11. And probably the successful marriage >>rate too. > I didn't forget anything...I was merely pointing out that the stats in > the ORIGINAL POST were not accurate, and as seemingly dominant as > purported... Yes, the stats in the original post were accurate, and were as dominate as stated. > Again, if the ORIGINAL post had used the further refined (and agreeably > more accurate) You're breakdown by county is not "agreebly more accurate." The original post divided the country into *states* -- and the data was accurate for that breakdown method. Dividing the country into *counties* -- as you did -- will yeild different results, but they are no more *accurate*. While it is more accurate by *space* distribution it is less accurate by *population* distribution - which is to say actual people/voters. > umich data, the numbers would not be anywhere near the > percentages claimed... Look at the list I made above: in all of those areas (except possibly marriage success rate, dunno) the numbers would still hold using your breakdown method. (Yes, you "forgot" them.) > Of course many will continue to spout the original scewed data to > further some political agenda, even when proven to be patently false, > and misleading... Except that it wasn't proven patently false and misleading. > What it boils down to is; What's the color, and who makes, the Cool Aid > your drinking??? > > Too red, or too blue, prolly indicates a poisonous batch... Indeed. And speaking of the map you provided a link to is too red - the proper map to most accurately convey the political sentiments of our country is the purple one that I linked to that incorporated shades to take into account percetages by county and also distorted space to take into account population distribution. > pv34pv3p(Like we need another reason to drink beer...) It's as good as any. Ray ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: No Shame: The Federal Response to Katrina Was Not as Portrayed Date: 15 Sep 2005 08:23:26 -0700 Mark_Reich...@hotmail.com wrote: > Rogues Island's finest wrote: > > That's a fair question, and I have no idea what the Navy policy is on > > such things. It's important to remember that New Orleans woke up on > > Tuesday morning thinking that they'd dodged the bullet. > > That's Republican spin. Just go try to find reports at the time that > New Orleans had "dodged the bullet". The local paper was already > talking catastrophe. Fuck you and your sweeping stereotypes. I *watched* live reports on CNN, MSNBC, and FOX on Monday evening and very early Tuesday morning where they used this *exact* phrase repeatedly. All a big conspiracy, I suppose. Or perhaps it doesn't fit your Bush bashing model, whichever, it does not change what I saw, and what was said by people on site. I also watched *live* as the flood waters began to inundate downtown NO. Mark ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:28:51 GMT JonP wrote: > On 14 Sep 2005 13:05:27 -0700, "imsjry" wrote: > > >>I just can't get into this Legion of Mary stuff. I like all things >>Jerry too. There isn't a period of Jerry/Dead that I don't love for >>various reasons. But I could never get into the LOM stuff. I LOVE jazz >>too. It just all sounds...sterle and under-rehearsed or something. Any >>other heads just not dig the LOM? > > > Besides the acoustic band stuff, Legion was always my favorite solo > jerry stuff..Well, maybe the stuff just him and john kahn did was > great as well.. I think, thanks to Neil X., that Jerry & Merle between 71-74 disposes of the need for any LOM. This is INTENSE jamming rooted in the groove. Just a personal opinion. I also like the latter Jerry Garica band for entirely different reasons. Jerry really dug into some of his gospel roots with this band and the vocal presentation I found affecting, unlike past Garcia bands when Jerry was singing fairly sloppy, even though he had a more youthful voice. -JC ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Bush Shows Character, as Usual - Democrats Continue to Lie Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:05:25 -0400 imsjry wrote: > > grtflmark wrote: > > ........ Bush continues to tell the truth - Broussard and the other New > > Orleans City and Louisiana State officials continue to lie and not take > > responsibility..... > > > > September 14, 2005 > > > > Another Katrina Myth: Aaron Broussard's "Emotional" Appearance on MTP > > and your point by posting this is what exactly?? I wont even ask what > "charactor" Bush has showed. Maybe it was using some poor victims for > photo ops ONE WEEK after the hurricane. Or maybe it was his half-assed > attempt at taking some responsiblity. Or was it when he offered to help > rebuild poor Tom DeLay's house? That showed real charactor. > I take it you didn't see the photos of Bush in New Orleans. He had his sleeves rolled up, dammit! You don't do that unless you're prepared to do some real work. > Dude, everyone in the world now knows that the state, local, and > FEDERAL governments f-ed up big time with Katrina. Maybe people focus > more on the FEDERAL f-ups because the state and local governments WERE > IN THE MIDDLE OF A HURRICANE, while our federal government was on > fucking summer vacation and at fund raisers!!!! How hard is that to > accept?? Believe me, there is enough blame in this to go around.... ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Speaking of horns... Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:34:30 GMT mrose101 wrote: > the.stugots@gmail.com wrote: > >> Can anyone name a traditional 'rock' band where a horn section does >> work? >> I guess if Springsteen is to your liking, Clemmons does work-take him >> out, >> and you have a completely different sound. In general, i prefer my rock >> without brass. >> >> In contrast, horns compliment reggae a great deal. >> >> just a thought, not a sermon... >> >> >> -m >> >> >> > The Band.....Rock of Ages, Last Waltz....et al. Rock Of Ages especially is a great record. But the reason this worked is because of the Band's R&B roots. And personally, I still dug them more without all the fluff. Little Feat is another rock band that worked well with horns. And of course, NRBQ always turned it up a notch when they had some brass guys on stage. It's more the rock bands that had a heavy dose of R&B swing or 50's rock'n'roll/60's doo-wop influence that pull it off best IMO. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule. For instance, I love hearing free jazz sax in an aggressive rock environment...the Stooges or Ground Zero comes to mind. -JC ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: The Meters at the Fillmore Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:37:12 GMT Brad Greer wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:36:31 GMT, "Dave Kelly" > wrote: > > >>The original band...Art Neville/Zigaboo/George Porter/Nocentelli >>November 18th & 19th >>Fillmore auditorium - San Francisco >>$75.00 >>Um....did I just type $75.00 >>Lemmee check. >>Yeah.....$75.00 >>Pass. >> > > The original Meters are as good as it gets. $75 is a steal for this > show (I'd see them in New York if I wasn't out of town when they're > playing). The Meters are one of those special bands. It's really hard to state their impact on me. But I really worry whether these guys can put out. I'm all about nostalgia when it comes this unit. I don't want to hear any straighter grooves than what I heard on the records. That said, I may indeed take the risk. Sounds incredible! -JC ------------------------------ From: "Deke_Rivers" Subject: Re: Speaking of horns... Date: 15 Sep 2005 08:50:28 -0700 >Can anyone name a traditional 'rock' band where a horn >section does >Work? Not sure how you define "traditional rock band", but I'd say the best one was Fats Domino's band with lee Allen on tenor, among others. Also, Little Richard's band of the 50's. Then there's all the older r&b bands who were playing rock'n;roll before it was called that: Roy Brown, Wynonie Harris, Joe Houston, etc. Early James Brown also qualifies. pl ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:51:12 GMT Steve Terry wrote: > wrote in message > news:1126745449.203733.311040@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > >>i would dig LOM so very deeply, >>if there was no sax. at times the brass >>is overbearing, and detracts from any subtlety of a given tune. >>as i was listening over the weekend, >>my friend's wife commented that the sax >>gave LOM a Saturday Night Live band sound >>circa mid seventies. SRYK. >> > > > So you guys are essentially saying that you like rock 'n roll and not jazz. > Fair? I wouldn't exactly call LOM a jazz band myself. IMO Fierro is a hack. Very average improviser. Nice flute tone. Sax tone can be a tad brittle sounding. When I hear him, I generally ignore him. Anyone who's been a serious jazz listener over the years wouldn't take to his playing IMO. -JC ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: Anyone have a vacation coming up? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:55:47 GMT "Rogues Island's finest" wrote in message news:1126786876.461728.150950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Wondering where you can go for your vacation this year?? Well, HERE is > your answer, fine RMGD folk: * I just gott a tell ya...yer good, Nantucket! it AMAZES me how you can surf the web, make change AND give directions without your toll booth supervisor catching on!....now quick....what exit is Chepiwanoxet! Route 27? Correct! Sweetbac Productions ------------------------------ From: "Roger" Subject: Re: Speaking of horns... Date: 15 Sep 2005 08:57:51 -0700 the.stugots@gmail.com wrote: > Can anyone name a traditional 'rock' band where a horn section does > work? > I guess if Springsteen is to your liking, Clemmons does work-take him > out, > and you have a completely different sound. In general, i prefer my rock > without brass. > > In contrast, horns compliment reggae a great deal. > > just a thought, not a sermon... > > > -m Since you mention Springsteen, I have to add Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes. Their stuff from the 70's is great, with a full horn section. Recommended album - Hearts of Stone. Roger ------------------------------ From: "sacha" Subject: Re: Drive Thru Flirtations Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:01:02 -0600 > Thanks. That's great. Weird though because something very similar > happened to me today with a lifeguard at the YMCA..So I hadn't seen > *Jason* in like forever it seemed. Looked around for him, but I think > he had class or something. So today I go over for family swim with > Jessica. There is that nice young man and I say, "Where have you > been??" and he smiles (he's shy), recognition lights up his eyes and he > says, "I've been wondering where you guys have been!" Oh baby. I was > flattered and flushed. Well it made MY afternoon. ;> > peace&love, > Mrs. Carlisle Robinson > and here's to you Mrs Robinson... ------------------------------ From: "jadel" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.books,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: has anyone been named after technology or science or mathematics? Date: 15 Sep 2005 09:02:45 -0700 jadel wrote: > The central character in Yuz Aleskovsky's novel --A Ring in a Case-- is > named Helium Revolverovich Serious. He's a professional atheist. I misspelled the author's last name. It is "Aleshkovsky." His novels --Kangaroo-- and --Hand-- are definitely worth a look. J. Del Col ------------------------------ From: "Eli Renfro" Subject: Re: GDTSTOO - Phil Lesh and Friends Winter Tour 2005 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:11:16 -0400 > So who knows anything about this NJPAC place in Newark? This is one of the finest venues in the NYC area. It is beautiful, clean and acoustically perfect. .....and before the show, you can sample some of the best Portuguese food around.....Mmmm....paella. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Hot Damn, Money from my Corporate Murika Scum of an Employer (NDC) Date: 15 Sep 2005 09:12:10 -0700 About a year ago I signed some papers to get in on a class action law suit with my employer. This suit was all about the company's less than honorable employee designation of exempt vs. nonexempt. Exempt employees are just that, exempt from any OT pay but not massive amounts of OT work. So, the bosses from above told us to sign on and if we were eligible, we'd get some money. The months passed and I never really gave any thought to what I'd eventually do with the $7.12 that would probably be awarded each of us exempt folks. Well, hot f**king damn, $1,600.70 has been deposited into my bank account. So guys, this round of beer (or beverage of your choice) is on me and I can now afford to fill my oil tank so the kid can have heat this winter... OK, the next worry is the natural gas bill... Theresa ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: The Meters at the Fillmore Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:12:32 -0400 On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:37:12 GMT, JC Martin wrote: >Brad Greer wrote: >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:36:31 GMT, "Dave Kelly" >> wrote: >> >> >>>The original band...Art Neville/Zigaboo/George Porter/Nocentelli >>>November 18th & 19th >>>Fillmore auditorium - San Francisco >>>$75.00 >>>Um....did I just type $75.00 >>>Lemmee check. >>>Yeah.....$75.00 >>>Pass. >>> >> >> The original Meters are as good as it gets. $75 is a steal for this >> show (I'd see them in New York if I wasn't out of town when they're >> playing). > > > >The Meters are one of those special bands. It's really hard to state >their impact on me. But I really worry whether these guys can put out. > I'm all about nostalgia when it comes this unit. I don't want to hear >any straighter grooves than what I heard on the records. That said, I >may indeed take the risk. Sounds incredible! > George Porter Jr. and Art Neville can still put down a serious groove together, haven't heard Leo or Zigaboo live in a long time (last time for Leo was at least 10 years back at the Wetlands, not sure at all with Zigaboo). I'd expect them to put on a seriously funky show. ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: Why do Donna like THAT??? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:14:00 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:10:10 -0500, "Sean Baker" wrote: >"Steve Terry" wrote in message > >> I guess I haven't heard enough to dislike it. I just started listening to >> this stuff and am digging it so far. This Martin Fiero ranks right down >> there with Donna and Vince evidently. > >Why yer just an outright viscious person ain'tcha? > >Equatin' Donna with VINCE > >AND Martin I'm Fly Fierro? > >Meaness pure and simple. > >MEANESS. > >Just fer that I'm gunna listen to Deal from 4/19/78. > >With HEADPHONES > >Peace, > >Sean The gigantic ones, I hope. JimK ------------------------------ From: "Eli Renfro" Subject: Re: The Meters at the Fillmore Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:18:06 -0400 > >The Meters are one of those special bands. It's really hard to state > >their impact on me. But I really worry whether these guys can put out. > > I'm all about nostalgia when it comes this unit. I don't want to hear > >any straighter grooves than what I heard on the records. That said, I > >may indeed take the risk. Sounds incredible! > > > George Porter Jr. and Art Neville can still put down a serious groove > together, haven't heard Leo or Zigaboo live in a long time (last time > for Leo was at least 10 years back at the Wetlands, not sure at all > with Zigaboo). I'd expect them to put on a seriously funky show. There should be no concern over Leo's current ability. Flat...out...smokes. Ziggy - not sure. ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: Hot Damn, Money from my Corporate Murika Scum of an Employer (NDC) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:25:53 -0400 Thus spake scarletbgonias@hotmail.com... > About a year ago I signed some papers to get in on a class action law > suit with my employer. This suit was all about the company's less > than honorable employee designation of exempt vs. nonexempt. Exempt > employees are just that, exempt from any OT pay but not massive amounts > of OT work. So, the bosses from above told us to sign on and if we were > eligible, we'd get some money. The months passed and I never really > gave any thought to what I'd eventually do with the $7.12 that would > probably be awarded each of us exempt folks. Well, hot f**king damn, > $1,600.70 has been deposited into my bank account. > > So guys, this round of beer (or beverage of your choice) is on me and I > can now afford to fill my oil tank so the kid can have heat this > winter... OK, the next worry is the natural gas bill... Oil tank, schmoil tank!!! This definitely calls for new speakers!!!!! Great sound will get you through times of no heat better than heat will get you through times of poor audio. -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: No Shame: The Federal Response to Katrina Was Not as Portrayed Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:28:43 GMT Rogues Island's finest wrote: > Mark_Reich...@hotmail.com wrote: > >>Rogues Island's finest wrote: >> >>>That's a fair question, and I have no idea what the Navy policy is on >>>such things. It's important to remember that New Orleans woke up on >>>Tuesday morning thinking that they'd dodged the bullet. >> >>That's Republican spin. Just go try to find reports at the time that >>New Orleans had "dodged the bullet". The local paper was already >>talking catastrophe. > > > Fuck you and your sweeping stereotypes. I *watched* live reports on > CNN, MSNBC, and FOX on Monday evening and very early Tuesday morning > where they used this *exact* phrase repeatedly. You're right. My local news said it well. One problem. They were saying this as the hurricane first touched down on New Orleans, basically surmising that the worst part of the hurricane wasn't going to hit New Orleans, therefore they were gonna be okay. Just really piss poor reporting on this from all media outlets. No conspiracy, just plain stupidity. -JC ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: (NDC): Blue states revolt Date: 15 Sep 2005 09:33:26 -0700 Ray wrote: > You're breakdown by county is not "agreebly more accurate." The > original post divided the country into *states* -- and the data was > accurate for that breakdown method. Dividing the country into > *counties* -- as you did -- will yeild different results, but they are > no more *accurate*. While it is more accurate by *space* distribution > it is less accurate by *population* distribution - which is to say > actual people/voters. > > Ray I would submit additionally that the breakdown by county map is also deliberate obfuscation. A growing and quite disturbing trend on the right, especially with the religious right (this may have been more appropriately posted in the "distain for real science" thread but use your imagination and it will save me the copy and paste). ;D Rick ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .