From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #285 Dead-Flames Digest #285, Volume #48 Wed, 14 Sep 05 22:00:01 PDT Contents: (NDC) Bush Accepts Responsibility For Something (Kelly Humphries) Re: Are You Giving Me This "Free Life" The RIGHT Way?.... ("grtflmark") Re: P&F Tour 2005 (Kelly Humphries) Re: has anyone been named after technology or science or mathematics? (Kelly Humphries) Re: Anyone need Farm Aid tix? ("Shaun") Re: Drive Thru Flirtations ("Carlisle") Re: The War On Science (NDC) (Sherry) Bush Shows Character, as Usual - Democrats Continue to Lie ("grtflmark") Re: (NDC) Bush Accepts Responsibility For Something ("grtflmark") Re: (NDC) Bush Accepts Responsibility For Something ("Carlisle") Re: The War On Science (NDC) (Sherry) CD Giveaway (BigRR) Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? ("frndthdevl") Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? ("ck") Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? ("Dave Kelly") Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? ("frndthdevl") Re: Are You Giving Me This "Free Life" The RIGHT Way?.... (DG) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kelly Humphries Subject: (NDC) Bush Accepts Responsibility For Something Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:57:18 -0700 Never thought I'd see myself typing *those* words. 'Bout five years too late, I reckon. He's new to this sort of thing, as you can tell by the fact that he took (conditional) responsibility for the mess in NOLA while standing next to the friggin' President of friggin' Iraq. "To the extent the federal government didn’t fully do its job right, I take responsibility." - George W. Bush And since this seems to contradict Karl Rove's spin that it was the locals, not the feds, who screwed this up, there really is no other choice: Karl Rove will have to fire the President and replace him with someone loyal to the White House.############################## ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: Are You Giving Me This "Free Life" The RIGHT Way?.... Date: 14 Sep 2005 20:57:44 -0700 >I don't know where any of the other people listed were born and >raised, by Aaron Neville has been a New Orleans native all his >life. If the people of New Orleans don't qualify as "his people" >than I don't know who does. .....so, let me make sure I've got this straight: you're saying that "those people" are "his people"?....... ------------------------------ From: Kelly Humphries Subject: Re: P&F Tour 2005 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:59:29 -0700 Also sprach "Olompali4" : > http://phillesh.net/philzonepages/friends_stuff/moon.html "Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are unable to play New York City this tour" Must be a conflict with Finals Week at Stanford or something. ##### Hrrumph, never get any apologies like that for blowing off the NW for years at a time.... ------------------------------ From: Kelly Humphries Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.books,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: has anyone been named after technology or science or mathematics? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:59:37 -0700 Craigs List comes to mind.... ------------------------------ From: "Shaun" Subject: Re: Anyone need Farm Aid tix? Date: 14 Sep 2005 21:11:15 -0700 >>but this year's lineup is pretty cool. I >> doubt I'll even mind Dave Matthews in small doses... :-) >did you say "doses?" But of course! The doses are what'll help me get through the Matthews set. :-) Seriously though, get me some doses and I'll probably give ya the tix... Gratis. Peace, Shaun ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: Drive Thru Flirtations Date: 14 Sep 2005 21:11:55 -0700 Dave Kelly wrote: > ....So I go to the beach for some coffee....read the > paper...have you ever noticed folks at the coffee > shop at 10:30 am?....why aren't they at work? > I mean REALLY....whats UP with that? > You could come back 3 hours later, and these ree-todds > would STILL have the 1/2 a muffin in front of them..staring > off inna space...owning a coffee shop must be a drag.... > Anyways, after about an hour, I heads over to the liquor > store for a 12'er of Newcastel Ale...ya dig...and decide > to grab a bite at the "In-N'-Out Burger"....drive thru... > The Delta 88 is smoking sufficiently....crushed Pabst Blue > Ribbons cans in the dashboard....got the ZZ Top turned up... > I orders a "Double Double/Cheese/Onions"....get asked if I > want a soda...I point to the Newcastle riding shotgun...smile.. > get to the 2nd window to pick up...young chick...we make > eye contact...asks if I want x-tra ketchup (natch)....as she > hands over the bag, she says "have a great day"....and then... > dig this.....she WINKS at me!....ME!....damn near made > my day!.. OK....she COULD have been temporaily overcome > with the fumes from the french fry machine...a faulty contact > lens....but for that ONE moment...that perfect rush. > > Sweetbac Productions Thanks. That's great. Weird though because something very similar happened to me today with a lifeguard at the YMCA..So I hadn't seen *Jason* in like forever it seemed. Looked around for him, but I think he had class or something. So today I go over for family swim with Jessica. There is that nice young man and I say, "Where have you been??" and he smiles (he's shy), recognition lights up his eyes and he says, "I've been wondering where you guys have been!" Oh baby. I was flattered and flushed. Well it made MY afternoon. ;> peace&love, Mrs. Carlisle Robinson ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The War On Science (NDC) From: Sherry Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 04:16:48 GMT > News accounts about the herbicide atrazine, which is > widely used by American corn growers and may be connected to the > worldwide decline of frogs and other amphibians, Just an aside... around here, MANY frogs and other amphibians meet their death when crossing the road late at night. Flat frogs everywhere! Not like apples under a tree mind you, but if I'm out walking I see flat frogs every 50 feet or so. And the occasion raccoon, possum, deer and fox. Saw a fox coming home tonight - a really pretty one. S/he ran out into the road and turned around halfway across and vanished into the shadows of the trees, so I got a pretty good like. I try to photograph the animals I see en route, but after stopping the car and turning the camera on, whatever it is, it's gone. I need a driver so I can take pictures! Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Bush Shows Character, as Usual - Democrats Continue to Lie Date: 14 Sep 2005 21:18:59 -0700 ......... Bush continues to tell the truth - Broussard and the other New Orleans City and Louisiana State officials continue to lie and not take responsibility..... September 14, 2005 Another Katrina Myth: Aaron Broussard's "Emotional" Appearance on MTP In yesterday's Chicago Sun-Times, Richard Roeper called Jefferson Parish, LA president Aaron Broussard's tearful outburst, shown September 4th on Meet the Press, "One of the defining media moments of all the hurricane [Katrina] coverage": "The guy who runs this building I'm in, emergency management, he's responsible for everything. His mother was trapped in a St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said, 'Are you coming, son? Is somebody coming?' And he said, 'Yeah, Mama, somebody's coming to get you. Somebody's coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebody's coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebody's coming to get you on Thursday. Somebody's coming to get you on Friday.' And she drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night."" Like a lot of people, I didn't think Broussard's story passed the "smell test". We were right: He was lying. MSNBC's Dateline web site, September 5th: On Sunday, America met 56-year-old Jefferson Parish president Aaron Broussard in an extraordinary display of raw emotion on NBC's "Meet the Press" when he talked about a colleague whose mother was trapped in a nursing home awaiting rescue. The man he was talking about is Thomas Rodrigue, who told "Dateline" that his 92-year-old mother was one of 32 elderly people found dead at the St. Rita's nursing home. September 7th, New York Times reported on the deaths at St. Rita's: St. Bernard Parish officials say that 32 of the home's roughly 60 residents died on Aug. 29, more than a week ago. August 29th was a Monday. Was Broussard confused about the day on which Rodrigue's mother died? Susan Candiottoti, reporting on the September 8th broadcast of Newsnight With Aaron Brown: CANDIOTTI: Sunday night [August 27th], as Katrina struck, Rodrigue was 30 miles away directing emergency personnel for Jefferson Parish. He called the nursing home in St. Bernard Parish again, pleading with officials to get the residents out. He was told they were going to try. RODRIGUE: I called the St. Bernard officials again and, you know, told them that, you know, they've got to get, you know, these people out. And they said they notified them, and that they weren't -- they refused to leave. And I said, "Well, you need to send the sheriff's office down there and make them leave." And he said, "I'm doing everything I can." So, Thomas Rodrigue says he was calling the St. Rita's nursing home, and St. Bernard Parish officials on Saturday, August 27th, asking them to send the local sheriff to evacuate the nursing home. Katrina hit St. Bernard Parish on Monday, August 29th, killing his mother. Broussard claims Rodrigue was talking to his mother for four days after she died, promising here some nebulous "cavalry" was on the way. His story doesn't jibe with the reporting of CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, or even Thomas Rodrigue's own account. Why would he lie about such a thing? Aaron Broussard's crocodile tears came at the tail-end of a tirade against FEMA, in response to a question from Tim Russert asking whether the mayor of New Orleans and the governor of Loisiana could have been "more forceful, much more effective and much more organized in evacuating the area." Just before his "breakdown," Broussard said: "Sir, they were told like me, every single day, "The cavalry's coming," on a federal level, "The cavalry's coming, the cavalry's coming, the cavalry's coming."" Who is the "they" he's referring to? It's worth noting that, according to the State of Loisiana's Emergency Preparedned Plan (http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/EOPSupplement1a.pdf PDF warning)local officials are responsible for evacuating residents of the various parishes before and during the early stages of the aftermath of a hurricane. Was Broussard (a Democrat) trying to score political points (and possibly deflect blame away from local government officials) by blaming federal agencies for failing to respond in a timely manner when people's lives were in danger? If that was his intention, it worked (at least at first). Russert didn't challenge him, even when he made wild accusations of FEMA "cutting [his parish's] emergency [communication] lines" and ordering the Coast Guard not to give them badly needed fuel. Since any blame for this should be placed on Lousiana state and/or local government officials, any OUTRAGE or RIGHTEOUS indignation should be directed toward them. But don't hold your breath waiting for Tim Russert to issue a correction. To their credit, even Lies.com issued a correction after initially reporting on Broussard's accusations: So, assuming the MSNBC story is accurate, Broussard's story was at least significantly embellished... Broussard, for all the apparent sincerity in his emotional on-air breakdown, was willing to lie in order to make his story work better as political theater, which in turn makes it harder for me to credit the rest of the slow-FEMA-response anecdotes he described. I won't be as kind. At best, I think Aaron Broussard is the political equivalent of a price gouger; taking advantage of a tragedy in order to gain political capital. He may very well be purposely trying to blame someone's death on an innocent party (or parties). Either way, it's despicable. See also: Heh.(http://areyouconservative.typepad.com/ayc/2005/09/unreliable_sour.html) Other Katrina Myth posts: "Homeland Security" Wouldn't Let Red Cross Deliver Food and Water to Katrina Victims (http://wuzzadem.typepad.com/wuz/2005/09/another_katrina_1.html) UPDATE: Right Thoughts smelled a rat here (no offense to rats) as well, and has been tracking this story. (http://right-thoughts.us/index.php/weblog/the_truth_will_out/) ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: (NDC) Bush Accepts Responsibility For Something Date: 14 Sep 2005 21:20:53 -0700 ...... and the New Orleans City and Louisiana State Officials continue to lie - as Bush continues to demonstrate character... http://wuzzadem.typepad.com/wuz/2005/09/another_katrina_2.html ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: (NDC) Bush Accepts Responsibility For Something Date: 14 Sep 2005 21:30:23 -0700 Kelly Humphries wrote: > Never thought I'd see myself typing *those* words. 'Bout five years > too late, I reckon. He's new to this sort of thing, as you can tell > by the fact that he took (conditional) responsibility for the mess in > NOLA while standing next to the friggin' President of friggin' Iraq. > > "To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I > take responsibility." > > - George W. Bush > > And since this seems to contradict Karl Rove's spin that it was the > locals, not the feds, who screwed this up, there really is no other > choice: > > Karl Rove will have to fire the President and replace him with someone > loyal to the White House.############################## HA! Good post, KH. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The War On Science (NDC) From: Sherry Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 04:35:01 GMT Let's try this again, with the actual words in my head that did not accurately translate thru my fingers the first time. :) I'll blame it on the painkillers. :) >> News accounts about the herbicide atrazine, which is >> widely used by American corn growers and may be connected to the >> worldwide decline of frogs and other amphibians, > > Just an aside... around here, MANY frogs and other amphibians meet their > death when crossing the road late at night. Flat frogs everywhere! Not like > apples under a tree mind you, but if I'm out walking I see flat frogs every 50 feet or so. And the occasional raccoon, possum, deer and fox. Saw a fox > coming home tonight - a really pretty one. S/he ran out into the road and > turned around halfway across and vanished into the shadows of the trees, so I got a pretty good look. I try to photograph the animals I see en route, > but after stopping the car and turning the camera on, whatever it is, it's > gone. I need a driver so I can take pictures! > > Sherry in Vermont > ------------------------------ From: BigRR Subject: CD Giveaway Date: 14 Sep 2005 23:41:04 -0500 Reply-To: BigRR,bigrr@huh.com Hi Folks, I still have 6 100 CD lots to give away. I'll get the postage cost tomorrow but I guess around $10. Replace huh with rcn to email me. Peace, Rick ------------------------------ From: "frndthdevl" Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: 14 Sep 2005 21:43:07 -0700 Dave Kelly wrote: > wrote in message > news:1126753260.528771.287750@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > Hater > > * Aw...here we go...ya have to keep it in perspective, larry. > I grew up listening to Coltrane.. Dexter Gordon...Sonny Rollins... how many times have yous een those cats play live? oh! > where would you place Fierro in there? > Ya dont. fucking kind of funny taht everybody always ahs to eb compared to previous greats. how many of thsoe guys played with the Grateful Dead,David Nelson Band,Yonder ountain,railroad earth New monsoon,aDah Mastabater himself adn so many others. Does not make himg reat,but he must be a fun guy to hang with back stage then. > If this dude hadn't hooked up with the Dead scene, this guy > would have never had a 30 year career..maybe in a lounge act > ...strip bar...but he finagled his way into the Dead family, and > they have kept his career alive somehow. I guess he's fun to > party with...thats cool...but he is a mere competent horn player. > I aint got TIME for mere competent horn players. you aint got time for free beer or shows either. LOl Just an overhyped opinon is yours. ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:48:24 -0400 "frndthdevl" wrote in message news:1126759387.573101.28430@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Dave Kelly wrote: > > wrote in message > > news:1126753260.528771.287750@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > > Hater > > > > * Aw...here we go...ya have to keep it in perspective, larry. > > I grew up listening to Coltrane.. Dexter Gordon...Sonny Rollins... > > how many times have yous een those cats play live? > oh! > > > where would you place Fierro in there? > > Ya dont. > > fucking kind of funny taht everybody always ahs to eb compared to > previous greats. how many of thsoe guys played with the Grateful > Dead,David Nelson Band,Yonder ountain,railroad earth New monsoon,aDah > Mastabater himself adn so many others. Does not make himg reat,but he > must be a fun guy to hang with back stage then. > > > If this dude hadn't hooked up with the Dead scene, this guy > > would have never had a 30 year career..maybe in a lounge act > > ...strip bar...but he finagled his way into the Dead family, and > > they have kept his career alive somehow. I guess he's fun to > > party with...thats cool...but he is a mere competent horn player. > > I aint got TIME for mere competent horn players. > > you aint got time for free beer or shows either. LOl Just an overhyped > opinon is yours. > man you make me look good. Try putting the bong down to type. ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 05:00:46 GMT "Neil X." wrote in message news:1126755526.705140.313100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> If this dude hadn't hooked up with the Dead scene, this guy >> would have never had a 30 year career..maybe in a lounge act >> ...strip bar...but he finagled his way into the Dead family, and >> they have kept his career alive somehow. > > > So the Dead fucked up his chance to spend his entire life in strip > bars?? The horror....... * Nah, I'm pretty positive you coulda peeped some righteous melons backstage at the Keystone. That poor bastid! > Yeah, but you got plenty of time to sodomize that aardvark, doncha? > Priorities still straight, I see. * From the reports I've been getting from Boston....the ONLY thing you been able to keep straight is the thong poking out of the mini shirt you INSIST in parading around in the greater Beacon Hill & North End neighborhoods!....You've been run out of Roxbury and Jamaica Plain ......they DON'T play around up there..as you found out...strutting around in your "Farrah Fawcett" wig and glitter go-go boots...with your "Banana Splits" vintage lunchbox in tow...and WHAT did you think was going to happen when you showed up at Fenway opening day?.. running out onto the field in nothing more than a feather boa and a pair of black knee highs?....luckily, security intercepted you before you assaulted Carl Yastremski!....how DARE you!...HOW dare you! Good GOD, man....get a HOLD of yourself! > > Peace, > Neil X. * Buckey Dent-Bac ------------------------------ From: "frndthdevl" Subject: Re: Why don't I like Legion of Mary??? Date: 14 Sep 2005 21:56:52 -0700 ck wrote: > > man you make me look good. Try putting the bong down to type. papers,zig zag cut corner white pinkie size anything smaller is bay area budget ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: Are You Giving Me This "Free Life" The RIGHT Way?.... Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:57:09 -0700 grtflmark wrote: > >DG >>It's a shame you don't realize those are our people. They are >>Americans. > > >.......... well, that's my poiint - these are Americans, and instead >the individuals quoted seem obsessed with separating them from being >mainstream Americans by putting them in racial silos --- they put >"those people" - which is the same as "my people" - in racial silos as >if they were exclusive of other Americans who are also suffering....... >so, get real How about removing your blindfold? ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .