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Subject: Re: East and West
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:09:53 -0400
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Thanks, Ivan, for correcting my obvious lack of knowledge of Japanese
history/society.  Considering your input, could Agamemnon then be considered
a Shogun and Achilles a Daimyo?  Or can we see all the Greek chieftains as
Daimyos of a sort, with Agamemnon being merely the wealthiest?

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

----- Original Message -----
From: Ivan Van Laningham <ivanlan@home.com>
To: <classics@u.washington.edu>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: East and West


> Hi All--
>
> I promised myself I wouldn't repsond to SS, but I must correct a few
> errors here.
>
> Sotiropoulos wrote:
> >
> > Would Achilles be considered a mere
> > Samurai or a Shogun in his own right, if such a comparison could be
drawn?
> > If he is considered a Shogun, would this change things?  After all,
didn't
> > Shoguns quarrel among themselves?
>
> There was only one Shogun; properly, this role didn't come into being
> until after the battle of Sekigahara, September 15, 1600.  The Tokugawa
> Shogunate dates from this battle.  The Shogun was the supreme military
> commander of all Japan, second only to the emporer, who, after the
> founding of the Shogunate, took less and less part in the running of the
> country.
>
> You can't speak of "a Shogun" but only of "the Shogun."
>
> Below the Shogun were the Daimyo, local lords of fiefdoms of wildly
> varying sizes.  Ieyasu, the first Shogun, was a daimyo of large
> ambition.  Daimyo had retainers, and these are what are commonly
> referred to as Samurai.  The Samurai class became bureacrats later on.
>
> I'm sure Willett-san will have more to say; my poor understanding of
> Japanese history is exceedingly shallow.
>
> <honto-desu-ne?>-ly y'rs,
> Ivan
> ----------------------------------------------
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>
>

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