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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:44:34 -0700
To: classics@u.washington.edu
From: David Lupher <dlupher@ups.edu>
Subject: Re: How not to proof-read

Elizabeth Vandiver wrote:
>A friend of mine told me years ago that he once read a book, translated
>from the French, about Scholasticism,  in which a certain quotation was
>ascribed to a mysterious and otherwise unidentified  "Dr. Angelique."

Nice.  And speaking of translations from the French, here is one of my
favorite things: footnote 19 to ch. 2 of Marcel Detienne's "The Creation
of Mythology," as translated by Margaret Cook (Univ. of Chicago Press,
1986, p. 141:
	19. Ibid. (appendix I, "Ulysses' Return to the World"), 178:
	"I am an historian: my professional interest in the Iliad
	and in the Odyssey concerns their usefulness as tools, as
	documents for study of the Bronze Age, centuries unknown
	and the history of archaic Greece."  Soldier of history, only
	doing his duty.

I regret to say that I don't have the French original with me---if anyone
has it handy, it might be interesting to see it.  But what you have here
is Ms. Cook translating into English bits of M.I. Finley which Detienne
had translated into French.  Specifically, this is a reference to p. 142
of the 1978 Viking Press revised edition of "The World of Odysseus."
"Ulysses' Return to the World" is Ms. Cook's version of M. Detienne's
version of the appendix title "The World of Odysseus Revisited."
And in the English original of the quoted sentence we discover that the
puzzling phrase "centuries unknown" is meant to render "Dark Age."

And that's just *one* choice bit from this remarkable translation.  But
I shan't go on.  I indulged myself in this way on the list some years ago,
and that should suffice.

David Lupher
Classics Dept.
Univ. of Puget Sound


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