From danielrr@eresmas.net Wed Oct 31 02:33:09 2001 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.08) with SMTP id f9VAX7N149820 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:33:07 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Oct 31 02:33:04 2001 -0800 Received: from smtppre.eresmas.com ([62.81.160.244]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.08) with ESMTP id f9VAX3u17671 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:33:03 -0800 Received: from [62.174.217.144] ([62.174.217.144]) by smtppre.eresmas.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GM2FYY03.KJE for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:32:58 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: idd00i7w@pop.eresmas.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:32:52 +0100 To: classics@u.washington.edu From: Daniel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ria=F1o?= Subject: RE: Songs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David Lupher writes (inter alia): >Do we in fact have any popular songs of more than a line or two >that are specifically labeled as chiildren's songs? Campbell's >Loeb volume doesn't seem to offer any (apart from the three-word >Tarentine game "exagw chwlon tragiskon"---"I lead out a little >lame goat"). This comes from Athenaeus 8.60, but the ultimate source is Theognis the historian (FGrH 526). It is an A)/GERMON, appropriate for this days. Because it is a bit long to be read comfortably in transliteration or betacoded, I have pasted it in the SuperGreek, the SMK and finally the SPIonic font design. I don't have any English translation at hand, but it is pretty straightforward, as you see: h\lq=E6, h\lqe celidw;n kala;" w|ra" a[gousa, kalou;" ejniautouv", ejpi; gastevra leukav, ejpi; nw'ta mevlaina. palavqan su; prokuvklei ejk pivono" oi[kou oi[nou te devpastron turou' te kavnustron. kai; purw'n aJ celidw;n kai; lekiqivtan oujk ajpwqei'tai. povter=E6 ajpivwme" h] labwvmeqa=8A eij mevn ti dwvsei": eij de; mhv, oujk ejavsomen, h] ta;n quvran fevrwme" h] qoujpevrquron h] ta;n gunai'ka ta;n e[sw kaqhmevnan: mikra; mevn ejsti, rJa/divw" nin oi[some". a]n dh; fevrh/" ti, mevga dhv ti fevroio. a[noig=E6 a[noige ta;n quvran celidovni: ouj ga;r gevrontev" ejsmen, ajlla; paidiva. =85ly', =85lye xelid=90n kal=E5w =A6raw =EAgousa, kalo=C1w =A7niauto=CAw, =A7p=D0 gast=B0ra leuk=E3, =A7p=D0 n=ABta m=B0laina. pal=E3yan s=C1 prok=CAklei =A7k p=A4onow o=FDkou o=FDnou te d=B0pastron turo=CB te k=E3nustron. ka=D0 pur=ABn =E8 xelid=90n ka=D0 lekiy=A4tan o=C8k =E9pvye=F0tai. p=D2ter' =E9p=A4vmew =B5 lab=89meya; e=DE m=B0n ti d=89seiw: e=DE d=A2 m=C6, o=C8k =A7=E3somen, =B5 t=E5n y=CAran f=B0rvmew =B5 yo=C8p=B0ryuron =B5 t=E5n guna=F0ka t=E5n =B6sv kayhm=B0nan: mikr=E5 m=B0n =A7sti, =3D&d=A4vw nin o=FDsomew. =EDn d=D8 f=B0r=99w ti, m=B0ga d=C6 ti f=B0roio. =EAnoig' =EAnoige t=E5n y=CAran xelid=D2ni: o=C8 g=E5r g=B0ront=B0w =A7smen, =E9ll=E5 paid=A4a. h)=3Dlq', h)=3Dlqe xelidw\n kala\s w(=3Dras a)/gousa, kalou\s e)niautou/s, e)pi\ gaste/ra leuka/, e)pi\ nw=3Dta me/laina. pala/qan su\ proku/klei e)k pi/onos oi)/kou oi)/nou te de/pastron turou=3D te ka/nustron. kai\ purw=3Dn a( xelidw\n kai\ lekiqi/tan ou)k a)pwqei=3Dtai. po/ter' a)pi/wmes h)\ labw/meqa; ei) me/n ti dw/seis: ei) de\ mh/, ou)k e)a/somen, h)\ ta\n qu/ran fe/rwmes h)\ qou)pe/rquron h)\ ta\n gunai=3Dka ta\n e)/sw kaqhme/nan: mikra\ me/n e)sti, r(a|di/ws nin oi)/somes. a)\n dh\ fe/rh|s ti, me/ga dh/ ti fe/roio. a)/noig' a)/noige ta\n qu/ran xelido/ni: ou) ga\r ge/ronte/s e)smen, a)lla\ paidi/a. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Daniel Ria=F1o Rufilanchas Madrid, Espa=F1a POR FAVOR, tomad nota de mi nueva direcci=F3n de correo: danielrr@eresmas.ne= t .