From vtodisco@mediatec.it Fri Oct 1 02:13:21 1999 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id CAA35644 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:13:15 -0700 Received: from dns.mediatec.it ([194.185.122.66]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id CAA27096 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:12:58 -0700 Received: from v1p5h2 ([194.185.122.87]) by dns.mediatec.it (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA21940 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:54:19 +0200 Message-Id: <4.1.19991001104847.00999b90@mail.mediatec.it> Message-Id: <4.1.19991001104847.00999b90@mail.mediatec.it> X-Sender: vtodisco@mail.mediatec.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 (Demo) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 11:10:56 +0200 To: classics@u.washington.edu From: Vittorio Todisco Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990930210551.00729a38@idirect.com> References: <5cbc2bac.2525528f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_73957==_.ALT" --=====================_73957==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 21.05 30/09/99 -0400, you wrote: >Because in theory the sentence is rather ambiguous; Dear David, I absolutely and totally agree with you. My compliments for pointing out the actual nature of the sentence: it is drawn out from a context, which could be very various. Hence the possible ambiguity. Your fine sense of humour, as usually, made simple and plain the issue. Actually the pronoun eius could refer to another person mentioned previously in the text. Such an ambiguity unfortunately occurrs whenever one gets a sentence in abstract, with no reference to the total context. Best regards Vittorio here's the scenariones ... > >Gaius has a son named Lucius >Marcus has a son name Gnaeus > >One day they all went for an ambulation in the forum, and from time to time >Gaius ambulated with Lucius and Marcus with Gnaeus, and at others Gaius >ambulated with Gnaeus and Marcus walked with Lucius. Of course, at some >point Lucius and Gnaeus are going to dump the old guys and have some fun >(or possibly vice versa) and possibly require an ambulance, but that's >another story ... quodcumque (say it like a teenager!) > > >If Gaius and Lucius were doing the ambulating, one would use suus. >If Marcus and Lucius were doing the ambulating, one would use eius. > >dm > >At 07:55 PM 30/09/1999 EDT, you wrote: >I may be totally stupid but whyisn't it pater eius filiusque ambulant? > >]|[ David Meadows ]|[ http://web.idirect.com/~atrium ]|[ Rogue Classicist ]|[ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Vittorio Todisco address: 318, Viale Magna Grecia - 74100, Taranto (Italy) telefax: +39 099 377138 e-mail: vtodisco@mediatec.it (vtodisco@netscape.net) alternate website: http://www.members.tripod.com/taras66/index.html ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --=====================_73957==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 21.05 30/09/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Because in theory the sentence is rather ambiguous;

Dear David,

I absolutely and totally agree with you. My compliments for pointing out the actual nature of the sentence: it is drawn out from a context, which could be very various. Hence the possible ambiguity. Your fine sense of humour, as usually, made simple and plain the issue.
Actually the pronoun eius could refer to another person mentioned previously in the text. Such an ambiguity unfortunately occurrs whenever one gets a sentence  in abstract, with no reference to the total context.

Best regards

Vittorio


 here's the scenariones ...
>
>Gaius has a son named Lucius
>Marcus has a son name Gnaeus
>
>One day they all went for an ambulation in the forum, and from time to time
>Gaius ambulated with Lucius and Marcus with Gnaeus, and at others Gaius
>ambulated with Gnaeus and Marcus walked with Lucius. Of course, at some
>point Lucius and Gnaeus are going to dump the old guys and have some fun
>(or possibly vice versa) and possibly require an ambulance, but that's
>another story ... quodcumque (say it like a teenager!)
>
>
>If Gaius and Lucius were doing the ambulating, one would use suus.
>If Marcus and Lucius were doing the ambulating, one would use eius.
>
>dm
>
>At 07:55 PM 30/09/1999 EDT, you wrote:
>I may be totally stupid but whyisn't it pater eius filiusque ambulant?
>
>]|[ David Meadows ]|[ http://web.idirect.com/~atrium ]|[ Rogue Classicist ]|[

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