From akriman@darwin.helios.nd.edu Sun Mar 5 21:43:43 2000 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id VAA39512 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:43:42 -0800 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (akriman@darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id VAA25668 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:43:41 -0800 Received: (from akriman@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id AAA17699 for classics@u.washington.edu; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:43:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:43:39 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred M Kriman Message-Id: <200003060543.AAA17699@darwin.helios.nd.edu> To: classics@u.washington.edu Subject: advis{e|o}r It's been a busy few weeks, and I have a backlog of intended follow-ups; please pardon the delay. In a thread two weeks ago, J.W. Worthy ("still going by Webster's 1st") asked > Why are thesis advisers called advisors? The agentive -or/-er is discussed in Edward Carney: _A Survey of English Spelling_ (London & NYC: Routledge, 1994). [Carney writes from a British perspective with some comments on American differences, but in any case the American/British divergence in -or/-our (mostly) mass nouns does not intersect the set of words of agentive (and other mostly countable) nouns taking the -or suffix.] The relevant discussion is in section 5.5.5 (5.5 is "Homophonous Affixes"), pp. 426-8, which makes clear that (as usual) there are mostly trends and not firm rules: | At first sight the difference between <-er> and <-or> in agentive | nouns formed from verbs is one between native [Basic subsystem] words | and [Latinate subsystem] words, but the distribution of the two forms | proves to be more complicated and by no means fully regular. .... | ... Purists do not like <-or> to be used with non-[Latinate subsystem] | words even if they are [of the Romance subsystem]. Manchester | University [Carney's home institution] had `advisors and tutors' up | to 1954, but thereafter we have had `advisers and tutors'. Loosely following Albrow [[1]], Carney refers to spelling subsystems (which he writes §Basic, §Romance, §Latinate ...). These do not necessarily refer to etymology but to patterns of phonemic-orthographic correspondences. [E.g., Greek-derived _deacon_, like Germanic _beacon_ (*), is in the Basic subsystem.] Five years or so ago, someone on the newsgroup alt.usage.english was arguing that a new set of -or words was arising with -or semantically distinct from -er/-or, words, but that's all I remember. I think one should at least consider the possibility that a semantic shading might arise from the association of -or with Latinate words. (*) This offers a new perspective on the famous Christmas cards that the Quayle family sent out a few years back which mentioned a "beakon of hope." [[1]] K. H. Albrow: _The English Writing System: Notes Towards A Description_ (London: Longman, 1972). .