From dlupher@ups.edu Thu Nov 1 19:22:02 2001 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fA23Lxn158650 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:21:59 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Nov 01 19:21:58 2001 -0800 Received: from mail.ups.edu (mail.ups.edu [192.124.98.111]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fA23Lv409461 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:21:57 -0800 Received: from [207.207.116.53] (wyatt1dhcp53.ups.edu [207.207.116.53]) by mail.ups.edu (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fA23KKS05103 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:20:20 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: dlupher@mail.ups.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8C1D549B4324D51181010090277A49DE163861@EXCHANGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:21:52 -0800 To: classics@u.washington.edu From: David Lupher Subject: RE: nits & lice George Pesely wrote: >I'm willing to believe the "nits make lice" phrase dates back well before >1864. And probably well before 1838, the date I had proposed. > What was the expression Oliver Cromwell used when encouraging his >men to kill the Irish ca. 1649-1652? Wasn't it something similar? Well, he did regard the massacres at Drogheda and Wexford to be "a righteous judgment of God upon those barbarous wretches," but I am not aware that he specifically gloated over the killing of civilians in general or children in particular. >My great-uncle by marriage went by wagon train from Kansas City to Salt >Lake City in 1865 and stayed some months in the latter city. According to >a memoir he wrote or dictated about 60 years later, when he attended some >of the meetings the Mormons held, he would say he was from anywhere but >Missouri, because if they had known he was from Missouri, his "hide wouldn't >have been worth shucks." They obviously remembered their ill-treatment; no >"mE mnEsikakein" for them. He was very wise. In the fall of 1857, a wagon train from Missouri, with a rambunctious complement of men calling themselves the "Missouri Wild Cats" (at least one of whom is said to have claimed to have been in the party that assassinated Joseph Smith), was massacred by the Mormons at Mountain Meadows, near Parowan and Cedar City, Utah. See the book "Mountain Meadows Massacre" (Univ. of Oklahoma Press, 2nd ed. 1962) by the courageous Mormon historian Juanita Brooks. In this book and in her biography of John D. Lee she cited diary entries of Mormons eager for vengeance against travelers from Missouri and Illinois. (David Lewis wrote: "My brother Benjamin was killed in Missouri, and I am alive to avenge his blood when the Lord will." etc.) By the way, my earlier posting contained a typo. The Senate report on the Sand Creek Masscre was pubished in 1867, not 1967. David Lupher Classics Dept. Univ. of Puget Sound .