From jsiegel@nimbus.ocis.temple.edu Mon Oct 2 05:37:15 2000 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA30918 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 05:37:14 -0700 Received: from drjclassics.com (server62.aitcom.net [208.234.0.14]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id FAA04710 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 05:37:13 -0700 Received: from janicesi (adsl-141-151-11-243.bellatlantic.net [141.151.11.243]) by drjclassics.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA28294 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:32:53 -0400 Message-ID: <007c01c02c6c$42b93ce0$290492ac@janicesi> From: "Janice Siegel" To: References: <936DF5571353D311B67500A0C9E95B3204DF1BA0@email.uncc.edu> Subject: Re: Web Hosting . . . Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:28:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Bravo, Dale! I, too, have written three websites with FrontPage (listed below). I don't pretend to be a know-it-all about websites, but I do all right, and FP is a great tool to work with. I learn more and more everyday (as Iplan to upgrade and move Dr. J sites and lectures to my other server this week). I certainly don't write my own code from scratch, although i can go in and fiddle with it when necessary. I hope to move on to Dreamweaver at some point, and although FP certainly does have its drawbacks, unless you are a techie first, classicist second (which i believe might describe Patrick?), FP is the way to go to get these materials up on the web for students to see...and hear, and click on, and ... experience. My Dr. J site on Temple's server has over 3000 files so far...and the Av Survey has over 2500 hyperlinks! I concur with you again - FP has saved *me* the equivalent of three lifetimes too by constant relative link updating! But a T1 line (is that the same thing as an ethernet connection?) is a help in transferring files quickly. I wouldn't try it either over a 56K modem. FP 2000 is better than 98 (although I wish they hadn't killed the "unlink" command - if it's still available, would someone let me know, please?) - i particularly like the new mouse rollover commands. The trick is to convince your boss you need FP 2000 for the departmental webpages and get him to pay for it (he bought it! - both the excuse and the program!). But I am glad to see others praising FP for what it does well. Nothing in this world is perfect, but some things are less imperfect than others. And you can always go in and remove the extra code so Netscape doesn't choke, although MSIE is always a better choice of browser for FP written-pages. Cheers, Janice Janice Siegel Intellectual Heritage Program Temple University http://nimbus.temple.edu/~jsiegel http://www.drjclassics.com http://oll.temple.edu/ih ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grote, Dale" To: Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 5:38 PM Subject: RE: Web Hosting . . . > Dr. Rouke: > > Now you've done it! You've provoked me ;-) There are only a few things I > believe in, and MS FrontPage is one of them. Let me count (some of) the > WAIS. > > (1) If your ISP has the extensions, FP allows you to edit on-site, without > having to publish or FTP anything. It's as simple as editing and saving in a > word processing program, and just as immediate. > > (2) Even if you have to edit off-site and publish later, you can toggle an > option to publish only the pages you've changed. I used to have an 800+ page > FP web site and found I could publish my work via a dial-up 56K much much > faster than ten minutes. > > (3) The extensions provide additional server-side functionality that really > simplifies page construction. One I use all the time is the "Include Page" > webot. It lets you contruct pages from several smaller pages. This makes > complicated pages incredibly easy to manage. > > (4) You can get to the code if you have to clean up a few things. > > (5) FP has a preview option for whatever browser you have on your machine: I > check NS and IE while creating a new page design. (If users of other > browsers don't have IE or NS on their machines, they deserve their fate, > IMO.) > > (6) FP has an insert dialog box for scripts and codes that aren't standard > HTML. (Being just a humble parser of verbs and decliner of nouns, I use only > JScript for some insignificant, yet pleasing effects.) > > (7) FP comes bundled with the photo editor "Image Composer" that's nicely > integrated with the HTML editor and does just about everything an amateur > like me needs. > > (8) FP is a site manager, not just a page writer: i.e. inter alia, it > recalculates per se ipsum internal links when you move things around. This > feature alone has saved me an estimated three lifetimes. > > (9) It's an MS product; it's not going to be an orphan in three years. > > (10) It works a lot like Word, so knowing one helps you learn the other. > > My web sites are sibling offspring of FP: > > www.uncc.edu/lbst > www.uncc.edu/classics > > I'm proud of them! > > Dale .