From jmpfund@bgnet.bgsu.edu Sat Aug 24 00:41:00 2002 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.01) with SMTP id g7O7eweY062264 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:40:58 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Aug 24 00:40:58 2002 -0700 Received: from gemini.dacor.net (gemini.dacor.net [63.174.195.21]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g7O7evJX014695 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:40:57 -0700 Received: from [63.171.164.172] (m172.max3.dacor.net [63.171.164.172]) by dacor.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 5.2.4) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 03:40:51 -0400 X-Sender: jmpfund@mailstore.bgsu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D6712B9.8EEE5929@mail.lemoyne.edu> References: <002801c24a66$70d4a960$23ed1ec4@icon.co.za> <3.0.6.32.20020822222943.008afb30@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 03:41:29 -0400 To: classics@u.washington.edu From: "James M. Pfundstein" Subject: Afterlives of the Caesars (was: TAN: Wise Greeks) John M. McMahon wrote (in part): >Are there examples from Classical Antiquity for the kind of >belief in the continued existence of a person, presumably >famous, despite highly reliable evidence of his/her death? > >John McMahon >LMC I skip the obvious ancient example-- "'I skip forty years,' said the Baker in tears" (<< Classical reference<<). My favorite example of a character with an Elvis-like afterlife (and, come to think of it, an Elvis-like life) is Nero. Nero's post mortem popularity and different reports of his appearances after his death gave rise to a couple of Neronian pretenders (see Suetonius, _Nero_ 57, and esp. Tacitus Histories_ 2.8), which were taken so seriously by a certain minority group that they became intertwined with said group's eschatology. Nero, some believed, was to re-appear at the end of the world without ever having died, a sort of anti-John the Baptist to the devil (Lactantius, _De Mortibus Persecutorum_ 2.7-9). Lactantius thinks this is nuts, by the way. But, as a matter of fact, I was pretty sure I saw Nero several times during December 1999. However, it only turned out to be me in a mirror. What a relief! JM("Mors, quam pertimescimus ac recusamus, intermittit vitam, non eripit"--Seneca _Epistulae_ 36.10) P .