From lwaller@sph.emory.edu Tue May 11 13:27:20 1999 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id NAA44766 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:27:19 -0700 Received: from viper.sph.emory.edu (lwaller@viper.sph.emory.edu [170.140.4.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id NAA28709 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:27:19 -0700 Received: from localhost (lwaller@localhost) by viper.sph.emory.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02703 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:27:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Lance Waller X-Sender: lwaller@viper To: waphgis@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: WAPHGIS: geostatstics In-Reply-To: <00b701be9be1$a5f81b40$7b790518@olmpi1.wa.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There's a good introduction to Gibbs sampling-based smoothing in the chapter by Clayton and Bernardinelli in the Elliott et al 1992 book (referenced in the last message). I don't think Gibbs sampling entirely removes the problem of oversmoothing but I'm not aware of much work quantifying this. The fully Bayes version (based on Gibbs sampling) does put the approach into a framework where there spatial correlation appears as random effects (sort of spatial residuals) in a Poisson regression model. No Splus or SAS code, but the general method applied to the Scotland lip cancer data from Clayton and Kaldor's Empirical Bayes paper appears as a worked example in the BUGS (Bayesian inference Using Gibbs Sampling) software (free software, winBUGS is the Windows version): http://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/bugs/Welcome.html For some papers on constrained empirical Bayes estimation (to avoid the overshrinkage) see the papers by Owen Devine (at CDC): Devine, O.J., Louis, T.A., Halloran, M.E. (1994) Empirical Bayes methods for stabilizing incidence rates before mapping. Epidemiology. 5, 622-630. Devine, O.J., Louis, T.A. (1994) A constrained empirical Bayes estimator for incidence rates in areas with small populations. Statistics in Medicine, 13, 1119-1133. Lance Waller On Tue, 11 May 1999, Richard E. Hoskins wrote: > I guess I am glad I made the crack - look at what we got! Thank you. As an > aside I have been looking at Empirical Bayes smoothing for some time, but > there is the apparent problem of over-shrinking which may be addressed by > Gibbs Sampling. Any ideas? (I guess I might be more straightforward if I > asked if there is SAS or S-Plus code available) > > Again, thanks > > Richard Hoskins > rhoskins@home.com > > .