From hunsucker@uba.uva.nl Fri Mar 14 06:30:33 2003 Received: from mxu7.u.washington.edu (mxu7.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.165]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW03.03/8.12.1+UW03.02) with ESMTP id h2EEUWCK055632 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:30:33 -0800 Received: from bs21.bs.uva.nl (bs21.bs.uva.nl [145.18.174.21]) by mxu7.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW03.03/8.12.1+UW03.02) with ESMTP id h2EEUTn7012323 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:30:30 -0800 Received: from ubs084178.uba.uva.nl (UBS084178.uba.uva.nl [145.18.84.178]) by bs21.bs.uva.nl (8.12.8/8.12.5) with SMTP id h2EEUR9e029309 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:30:28 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030314153029.00947810@mail.uba.uva.nl> X-Sender: hunsucke@mail.uba.uva.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:30:29 +0100 To: classics@u.washington.edu From: "R.L. Hunsucker (UvA/UBA)" Subject: Re: Again Re: Orphics and Orphism In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20030314113151.0092db20@mail.uba.uva.nl> <3E70FB2A.19E10C33@attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.30 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) At 14:25 14-3-03 +0100, Daniel Ria=F1o Rufilanchas wrote : > >Here you have a rather explicit, although certainly not unambiguous=20 >document. Is one of the bone lamellae dated V cent. a.C. found at=20 >Olbia Pontica and first edited by Rusajeva *Vestnik Drevnej Istorii*=20 >1, (1978), and later republished many times (cf. SEG 28.659). It's=20 >been dealt with by Burckert, West et al.: > > >bi/os qa/natos bi/os a)lh/qeia Dio[nusos] )Orfikoi/ > >life-dead-life. Truth. Dionisos. Orphics > >Here you have a collective of participants in a mistery cult who=20 >called themselves Orphics, and as Bernab=E9-Jim=E9nez (Madrid, 2001)=20 >note: "[Olbia Pontica] en tambi=E9n la ciudad en la que Herodoto=20 >(Hdt.4.77-79) sit=FAa la iniciaci=F3n del rey escita Escilas en los=20 >misterios de Dionisio Baqueo. Ahora, gracias al hallazgo de las=20 >laminillas de hueso en esta misma ciudad, podemos afirmar que lo que=20 >describe Her=F3doto era un culto =F3rfico"=A0 (p. 62, note 3) > >The bone lamellae from Olbia bear some very notable resemblance with=20 >the so-called (and most probably well called) orphic gold lamellae,=20 >spanning in time from V a.C. to III p.C. Here, the (lets call them)=20 >Orphic soul (the soul of the defunct) calls himself "son of Earth and=20 >the starry Night" UOS GAS EIMI KAI OURANOU ASTEROENTOS Thanks very much for the two references. I'll leave everyone to decide for herhimself how far this takes us. As far as I'm concerned, these things give me little cause to reconsider my previous skeptical stance. (Now if that bit of bone had been from somewhere other than the Olbia area, such might be less the case.) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Laval Hunsucker hunsucker@uba.uva.nl ------------------------------ #################### .