From acd@rci.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 17 22:40:53 2001 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fAI6eqn84748 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:40:52 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Nov 17 22:40:48 2001 -0800 Received: from erebus.rutgers.edu (erebus.rutgers.edu [165.230.116.132]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fAI6el410761 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:40:48 -0800 Received: (qmail 21763 invoked by alias); 18 Nov 2001 06:40:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 21756 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2001 06:40:44 -0000 Received: from niflheim.rutgers.edu (165.230.116.134) by erebus.rutgers.edu with SMTP; 18 Nov 2001 06:40:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 3566 invoked by uid 6382); 18 Nov 2001 06:40:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 01:40:46 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne Deangelis X-Sender: acd@niflheim.rutgers.edu To: classics@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Ajax & Achilles In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011118033040.009ee410@pop.ymex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello-- In "Art Through the Ages", the most popular of the art history survey texts, there is an amphora by Exekias (Vatican Museum), dated 540-530 BC and another by the Andokides painter (Boston, MFA), dated 525-520 BC, each illustrating Achilles and Ajax playing what is described as "a dice game." It is hinted in the textual description that the warriors are taking a break from the war: "Their shields are nearby, and each man is ready for action at a moment's notice. It is a classic case of 'the calm before the storm.'" (p. 114, 11th ed., in earlier editions as well). Can one really be more specific? A survey course teacher would like to know... Adrienne DeAngelis acd@efn.org "Resources in Art History for Graduate Students" (http://www.efn.org/~acd/resources.html) On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Didrik Schiele wrote: > At 17:18 2001-11-17 -0500, you wrote: > >After taking several classes to the Metropolitan for show-&-tell, I > >realize I don't know anything about the image on several pots of Ajax & > >Achilles playing some kind of game. Is this one of those well-known > >episodes that everyone but me knows? > > > > > Can it be that Odysseus and Ajax from Salamis are playing a game to > conclude whom of them are most worthy of winning the dead achilleus armour? > > didrik schiele > > .