From n.lowe@rhul.ac.uk Fri Jun 1 05:06:30 2001 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.2+UW01.01/8.11.2+UW01.04) with ESMTP id f51C6T091838 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 05:06:29 -0700 Received: from mh1.rhul.ac.uk (mh1.rhul.ac.uk [134.219.102.162]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.11.2+UW01.01/8.11.2+UW01.04) with ESMTP id f51C6SK25195 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 05:06:29 -0700 Received: from [134.219.202.207] (actually host ppp1-7.rhul.ac.uk) by mh1.rhul.ac.uk with SMTP (XT-PP) with ESMTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:06:22 +0100 X-Sender: cc\uhlc001\n.lowe@exch1.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200106010027.f510RtE29072@list4.u.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:07:08 +0000 To: classics@u.washington.edu From: Nick Lowe Subject: Re: student bloopers I for one was suitably cowed by DL's previous stance on these, and break years of silence to submit the following in a spirit of sympathetic solidarity with his lapse of moral fortitude. All spellings & punctuation sic. Nick Lowe n.lowe@rhul.ac.uk ------ Homer uses a lot of his common literary devices in this passage, such as similes, epithets, and small bibliographies of the victims. Thyestes had slept with Atreus wife and friction had occurred. He talks severely with Cadmus and his daughter Agave who has killed her son, while she was under the effluence of Dionysus. Circe provides light entertainment on his vogue back from Troy, she sends him to the underworld. It is in some ways a more naturistic protrayal of the hero Odysseus' relationship with his patron goddess Athena. In Aeschylus' plays this can be seen by the importance of moral issues in his play, and the correct way to behave for example, in Oedipus Rex, The moral is don't kill your father and marry your mother, even if you didn't mean to, because it will wreck your life. She cannot be rid of her ancestral feelings, as she is part of the accursed Cretin line. Apelles modelled for 'Aphrodite coming up from the sea'. Forbidden to leave the household for fear of meeting men and being seduced, Athenian men were clearly insecure in their relationship with their wives. Marriage was desired by men primarily to produce illegitimate children. Female citizens if they wanted the prestigious position of being a mother of a citizen had to marry a citizen male for this to occur. The same applied for the male. Sparta was unique in Greece in that it had a Martial society. The relationship between Dido and Aeneas would have invited comparison between Julius Caesar and Cleopatra, an affair which resulted in a son; Caesarean. Ovid jokes that he planed to write an epic filled with wars and tragic heroes but Cupid took off a leg! She [Seneca's Phaedra] feels so guilty that she kills herself, but it is only after the event that she can see the wrong in her actions. He is insanely jealous that Odysseus was presented with the amour of Achilles that Ajax feels he rightfully deserves himself. Because these plays were written Before Christ, faithfulness to one parter was not known and people in Athenian times regularly had orgies and had sex freely with other people. .