From vedwards@u.washington.edu Thu Aug 29 12:49:16 1996 Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by lists.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.06/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20782; Thu, 29 Aug 96 12:49:15 -0700 Received: from carson.u.washington.edu (carson.u.washington.edu [140.142.52.11]) by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (8.7.5+UW96.08/8.7.3+UW96.08) with SMTP id MAA21460 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:49:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:49:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Virjean Edwards To: residency@u.washington.edu Subject: Message from Tika Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Joe, you're right about the grandma not making a difference.............it just clicked that even if her grandma is a state resident and "eligible" to claim her because she has provided $10,000 for her support, we couldn't use her grandma's residence because she isn't her parent or legal guardian.....BUT isn't this a big catch 22 in the law that could be challenged (and maybe should be)? If we don't accept a student's "independence" because someone is "eligible" to claim her, can we then also say but your residence can only be based on our parent's or guardian's state even if they aren't the ones eligible to claim you for which we denied you independence??!! That would be hard for me to explain to a student. I never ran into this...........!! Tika Esler, Bellevue CC ---------- >From: RESIDENCY-owner >To: Discussion of Residency Issues State Wide >Subject: RE: military >Date: Tuesday, August 27, 1996 10:45AM > > >***Tika, I'm not sure what difference the grandma's residence makes in this >case; even if she IS a Washington resident, that doesn't make the student a >resident, unless Grandma becomes her legal guardian---right? > >I, too, am flexible on the 50% rule. I don't insist in every case that the >student prove having earned half of non-res expenses. They often can throw >in savings they've accrued, financial aid, and cheap living situations >(e.g., 6 students crammed into an old house, like my son is doing right >now). > >I just now spoke with a student who moved to the state in July 95 because of >his girl friend's career. He worked jobs, earning $4,000 in the remainder >of 95. Non- >res parents didn't claim him. If he is living with his well-heeled girl >friend, he need not prove that he earned big bucks himself. > >Joe St.Hilaire >Western > ---------- >From: RESIDENCY-owner >To: Discussion of Residency Issues State Wide >Subject: military >Date: Tuesday, August 27, 1996 7:13AM > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >I agree with Joe's take on a student's lack of income. I did speak with our >AG a couple of years ago on a student who was destitute, and she advised >that we shouldn't define what's an "acceptable" income. We shouldn't >penalize a person for being poor as long as they can explain how they did >survive in order to ensure that they weren't falling under the trap that Joe >uses as an example.......and, Joe, I take it that the student who received >$10,000 from grandmother has an out-of-state grandmother, because perhaps >grandmother claimed her?? If her grandmother is in-state that would solve >it obviously. I would agree with your take on that WAC, this person was >simply trying to escape the clause of being an exemption, but the law is >specific about "which would qualify him or her....." and I've used this one >as well... > >Tika Esler, Bellevue CC > ---------- >>From: RESIDENCY-owner >>To: Discussion of Residency Issues State Wide >>Subject: RE: financial independent? >>Date: Monday, August 26, 1996 10:08AM >> >> >>***I would call this student independent despite the lack of income. He >>can't be considered dependent due to lack of a legal guardian and absence >of >>a parent. >>He may have only $2,000 income but was supported by the uncle sufficiently >>to get by for the year. His costs certainly are not as high as they'd be >>for a non-resident college student. >> >>Here's another case: >> >>A student who's been in the state more than a year and did all the right >>things to declare her intention to become a resident a year ago. I refused > >>her request to be reclassified to resident, however, because >> a) she's been enrolled here as a non-res student, incurring at least >>$15,000 in >> costs for the year; >> b) although her non-resident parents didn't claim her for 1995, her >>grandmother >> gave her $10,000 last year; and >> c) the student's income for 1995 was a mere $1800. >> >>I have to remind myself on these cases that WAC 250-18-035 says she would >be >>financially independent if she has not been claimed as an exemption and has > >>not received and will not receive financial assistance in cash or in kind >of >>an amount equal to or greater than that which would qualify her to be >>claimed as an exemption for tax purposes . . . >> >>Joe St.Hilaire >>Western >> >> ---------- >>From: RESIDENCY-owner >>To: Discussion of Residency Issues State Wide >>Subject: financial independent? >>Date: Sunday, August 25, 1996 11:04AM >> >>Hello all, >>I have a 20 year-old who just graduated from high school in Seattle, where >>he attended 3 of the last 4 semesters. He lived with his uncle. The >uncle >>did not become the legal guardian because the young man was 18 years old >>when he moved to WA. His only surviving parent is living in Louisiana. >> >>The young man is claiming financial independence, although he is showing >>only $2,000 income. He has lived with family and friends in WA who have >>provided free lodging and food. My question is, what is 50% of his >>financial support in this situation? He has no automobile, but does have a >>WA driver's license and voter registration. >> >> > > .