From ev23@umail.umd.edu Thu Jul 6 12:00:40 2000 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA33366 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:00:38 -0700 Received: from umailsrv2.umd.edu (umailsrv2.umd.edu [128.8.10.76]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id MAA19459 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:00:38 -0700 Received: from umail.umd.edu (mmount-116.umd.edu [129.2.52.116]) by umailsrv2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00105 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3964D69C.9485DBD2@umail.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:57:32 -0400 From: Elizabeth Vandiver Reply-To: ev23@umail.umd.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: classics@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Both] Manners & Religion? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Elias J Theodoracopoulos wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Elizabeth Vandiver wrote: > > BUT--it seems to me that the Odyssey brings that idea in as a > > comparandum against which the Od/Naus. scene can play (sorry, I > > don't think I'm putting this very well), by making it clear > > through Odysseus's own words that he's quite sure that Nausikaa > > is NOT in fact Artemis. > > Comparandum, yes, but tongue-in-cheek on the poet's part. Yes, I agree. I've always seen a lot of humor in this scene; particularly when Odysseus--filthy, naked, scraped bruised and bloody, and covered with sea-salt, *debates* with himself whether he should go grab Nausikaa's knees in supplication or stand well off and try blandishing words. He decides that it's probably better just to use words; yes, one might well think so!! And then, of course, the words he uses are the wonderful speech we've been discussing, in which he begins by likening N. to Artemis. It's a remarkable passage in all sorts of ways, with some very delicate changes of register; *some day* I'm going to get around to writing up my thoughts on it in coherent form, I hope... Elizabeth Vandiver .