From jfgannon@cloud9.net Sat Feb 16 17:50:46 2002 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.01) with SMTP id g1H1oj5S067288 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:50:45 -0800 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Feb 16 17:50:44 2002 -0800 Received: from russian-caravan.cloud9.net (russian-caravan.cloud9.net [168.100.1.4]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.01) with ESMTP id g1H1oicP020371 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:50:44 -0800 Received: from jfgannon (203-180.dialup.cloud9.net [168.100.203.180]) by russian-caravan.cloud9.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C91028B82 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:50:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002a01c1b755$f675c120$b4cb64a8@jfgannon> From: "J.F. Gannon" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020216152856.00a0f1e0@servidor.unam.mx> Subject: Re: Were or not the Sophists "eristic"? Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:53:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C1B72C.0CF96700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C1B72C.0CF96700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To say that someone is being eristic in a particular case is to say the = person is arguing simply to win at any cost and is indifferent to truth. = To say that someone is eristic generally to say that person has a habit = of arguing to win at any cost. It's an accusation or at least a = negative evaluation. Marrou probably thinks the sophists habitually = behaved in this way. Plato would probably have agreed. But Socrates as = represented by Plato in his works often seems to be arguing for victory. = Eristic? It is more than merely a descriptive term and you have to = make up your own mind in each case. J.F. Gannon ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lizbeth Concha Dimas=20 To: classics@u.washington.edu=20 Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: Were or not the Sophists "eristic"? Hi everyone. I'm working on sophistic educational theories and I very confussed. = :p: Were the sophists "eristic" or not? Marrou says they were; Kerferd = (The sophistic mouvement) is not explicit about this particular. And if = sophists were not "eristic", who were the "eristic" practicioners about = whom Plato wrote?=20 Any help, will be really appreciated.=20 Liz Lizbeth C. Dimas M=E9xico, UNAM lctettix@servidor.unam.mx ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C1B72C.0CF96700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To say that someone is being eristic in a particular case is to say = the=20 person is arguing simply to win at any cost and is indifferent to truth. =  To say that someone is eristic generally to say that person has a = habit of=20 arguing to win at any cost.  It's an accusation or at least a = negative=20 evaluation.  Marrou probably thinks the sophists habitually behaved = in this=20 way.  Plato would probably have agreed.  But Socrates as = represented=20 by Plato in his works often seems to be arguing for victory. =20 Eristic?  It is more than merely a descriptive term and you have to = make up=20 your own mind in each case.
 
J.F. Gannon
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From:=20 Lizbeth Concha Dimas =
Sent: Saturday, February 16, = 2002 4:42=20 PM
Subject: Were or not the = Sophists=20 "eristic"?

Hi everyone.

I'm working on = sophistic=20 educational theories and I very confussed. :p: Were the sophists = "eristic" or=20 not? Marrou says they were; Kerferd (The sophistic mouvement) is not = explicit=20 about this particular.  And if  sophists were not "eristic", = who=20 were the "eristic" practicioners about whom Plato wrote?

Any = help,=20 will be really appreciated.

Liz

Lizbeth C. = Dimas
M=E9xico,=20 = UNAM
lctettix@servidor.unam.mx
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