From dgw1@nyu.edu Fri Feb 28 15:32:26 2003 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW03.02) with ESMTP id h1SNWPA8050232 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:32:25 -0800 Received: from mx3.nyu.edu (MX3.NYU.EDU [128.122.108.104]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW03.02) with ESMTP id h1SNWJls026829 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:32:23 -0800 Received: from computer (DIALN-ASYNC254.DIAL.NET.NYU.EDU [216.165.4.9]) by mx3.nyu.edu (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id h1SNWFO06290 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:32:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000d01c2dfb2$e91f23a0$0904a5d8@computer> From: "Diana Wright" To: References: <1770780176f7ee.176f7ee1770780@homemail.nyu.edu> <3E5FED7A.293EC3F0@noho.com> Subject: Re: Stalingrad follows Marathon Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 00:25:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2DF88.FF6EE840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=XXIIII, Probability=24%, Report="MAILTO_LINK, RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM, REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OE, X_OSIRU_DUL, X_OSIRU_DUL_FH, __EVITE_CTYPE, __HAS_MIMEOLE, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_OUTLOOK_IN_MAILER, __HAS_X_MAILER, __HAS_X_PRIORITY" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2DF88.FF6EE840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hell, live dangerously. Read all the Agamemnon. DW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Carl Sesar=20 To: classics@u.washington.edu=20 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Stalingrad follows Marathon 2nd Chorus, Agamemnon. Thank you. Over and out. Diana Wright wrote: > PLEASE read the 2nd Chorus of the Agamemnon. > > DW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carl Sesar > Date: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:10 pm > Subject: Re: Stalingrad follows Marathon > > > " . . . but all [the partisans who hawk war] deliver is an urn of = dust > > brought back by the money-changer whom they hired . . ." > > > > I don't get "money-changer." Please explain. > > > > willettstevenj@qwest.net wrote: > > > > > This is the 60th anniversary of the greatest military > > > engagement in history: Stalingrad. About one million Red > > > Army soldiers gave their lives in the decisive battle that > > > defeated Nazi Germany. The snows along the Volga buried > > > 150,000 Germans who died, eventually and thankfully, for > > > nothing. This put me in mind of Marathon and its minuscule > > > losses. Between Marathon and Stalingrad spins a > > > kaleidoscope of war flashing with many tens of millions whom > > > the earth has consumed. Now one likes to think that > > > Marathon, which looks (as the poet said) on the sea, stood > > > for something. One likes to think that Stalingrad, for a few > > > following centuries perhaps, will stand for something. But as > > > the 2,500-year interval between Marathon and today grows > > > ever larger, the sheer unabating accumulation of wars begins > > > to erase those of the past. Marathon means nothing to the > > > Greek government in its drive to produce a successful > > > Olympics, as Chris Robbins noted. Marathon means nothing > > > to the vast majority of all Americans and Europeans, most of > > > whom couldn't even place it accurately in chronology or > > > topography. The same fate will befall Stalingrad. And after > > > all, 10,000 years from now--when some sort of human polity > > > may still exist--no one will think or care about all the blood > > > that has been spilled for any cause. All causes will be > > > extinguished. The good, as a Greek poet wisely wrote, die > > > young. Time obliterates everything, but those obliterated > > > young lives will still live in their truncated possibilities. = The > > > partisans who hawk war speak with the majestic voice of > > > temporary expediency, but all they deliver is an urn of dust > > > brought back by the money-changer whom they hired just for > > > a moment, for a moment, for a moment that stretches so > > > often briefly before us. > > > > > > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > Steven J. Willett > > > Shizuoka University of Art and Culture > > > 1794-1 Noguchi-cho, Hamamatsu City > > > Japan 430-8533 > > > Tel/Fax: (53) 457-6124 > > > willett@suac.ac.jp (Japan) > > > willettstevenj@qwest.net (US) > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2DF88.FF6EE840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hell, live dangerously.  Read all = the=20 Agamemnon.
 
DW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Carl = Sesar
To: classics@u.washington.edu
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 = 6:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: Stalingrad follows = Marathon

2nd Chorus, Agamemnon. Thank you. Over and = out.

Diana=20 Wright wrote:

> PLEASE read the 2nd Chorus of the=20 Agamemnon.
>
> DW
>
> ----- Original Message=20 -----
> From: Carl Sesar <sesar@noho.com>
> Date: = Friday,=20 February 28, 2003 1:10 pm
> Subject: Re: Stalingrad follows=20 Marathon
>
> > " . . . but all [the partisans who hawk = war]=20 deliver is an urn of dust
> > brought back by the = money-changer whom=20 they hired . . ."
> >
> > I don't get = "money-changer." =20 Please explain.
> >
> > willettstevenj@qwest.net=20 wrote:
> >
> > > This is the 60th anniversary of = the=20 greatest military
> > > engagement in history: = Stalingrad. =20 About one million Red
> > > Army soldiers gave their lives = in the=20 decisive battle that
> > > defeated Nazi Germany.  = The snows=20 along the Volga buried
> > > 150,000 Germans who died, = eventually=20 and thankfully, for
> > > nothing.  This put me in = mind of=20 Marathon and its minuscule
> > > losses.  Between = Marathon=20 and Stalingrad spins a
> > > kaleidoscope of war flashing = with=20 many tens of millions whom
> > > the earth has = consumed.  Now=20 one likes to think that
> > > Marathon, which looks (as = the poet=20 said) on the sea, stood
> > > for something.  One = likes to=20 think that Stalingrad, for a few
> > > following centuries = perhaps, will stand for something.  But as
> > > the=20 2,500-year interval between Marathon and today grows
> > > = ever=20 larger, the sheer unabating accumulation of wars begins
> > = > to=20 erase those of the past.  Marathon means nothing to the
> = > >=20 Greek government in its drive to produce a successful
> > = >=20 Olympics, as Chris Robbins noted.  Marathon means nothing
> = >=20 > to the vast majority of all Americans and Europeans, most = of
> >=20 > whom couldn't even place it accurately in chronology or
> = > >=20 topography.  The same fate will befall Stalingrad.  And=20 after
> > > all, 10,000 years from now--when some sort of = human=20 polity
> > > may still exist--no one will think or care = about all=20 the blood
> > > that has been spilled for any cause.  = All=20 causes will be
> > > extinguished.  The good, as a = Greek poet=20 wisely wrote, die
> > > young.  Time obliterates = everything,=20 but those obliterated
> > > young lives will still live in = their=20 truncated possibilities.  The
> > > partisans who = hawk war=20 speak with the majestic voice of
> > > temporary = expediency, but=20 all they deliver is an urn of dust
> > > brought back by = the=20 money-changer whom they hired just for
> > > a moment, for = a=20 moment, for a moment that stretches so
> > > often briefly = before=20 us.
> > >
> > >=20 = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > > Steven J.=20 Willett
> > > Shizuoka University of Art and = Culture
> >=20 > 1794-1 Noguchi-cho, Hamamatsu City
> > > Japan=20 430-8533
> > > Tel/Fax: (53) 457-6124
> > > willett@suac.ac.jp = (Japan)
> >=20 > willettstevenj@qwest.net=20 (US)
> >
> >

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