From tesler@bcc.ctc.edu Thu Jan 15 15:21:51 1998 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA36698 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:21:51 -0800 Received: from email1.bcc.ctc.edu (email1.bcc.ctc.edu [134.39.80.31]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id PAA05981 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:21:50 -0800 Received: by email1.bcc.ctc.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:21:21 -0800 Message-ID: <205934FB3A2DD011BD1B08002BE60170010693F5@email1.bcc.ctc.edu> From: Tika Esler To: "'residency@u.washington.edu'" Subject: RE: HB 2377 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:21:18 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The community colleges have been trying to get a review of residency for just the cc's................as good as I think we are, I can't believe that people move to this state to attend a community college. THUS, several of us advocated for changing the length of time to a lesser time frame (6 mos, 3 ms.) I personally feel that for attendance at a cc, ALL we should care about is proof they are residing here, that they've switched their driver's license, vehicle registration and voting reg. (whatever and all is appropriate) period! I know I am probably alone in that belief. I agree with you about the housing issue, however, discriminating against independents and dependents is probably not something we could convince our legislators to do. Thus, eventhough students don't usually buy houses, and we risk a wealthy parent doing so, I suppose the state might argue that if a student has paid property taxes, real estate taxes, etc, they might "deserve" a break in tuition..................chances are their taxes will be lower than the non-resident differential, though. It does make more sense to discriminate between cc's and four-year colleges on the time period. I hadn't seen the house bill, but I am glad the door is open on reviewing residency. I am going to stay on top of this one!! Tika A. Esler Bellevue Community College (425) 641-2205 tesler@bcc.ctc.edu > ---------- > From: Joseph M. St.Hilaire[SMTP:saint@admsec.wwu.edu] > Reply To: residency@u.washington.edu > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 1:42 PM > To: Discussion of Residency Issues State Wide > Subject: Re: HB 2377 > > This bill would change the definition of resident student as follows: > > 1. Strike subsection (c) from RCW 28B.15.014, Sec 1 (2) as it > currently > is written (student is a resident if domiciled by May 31, 1982...), > and > substitute: "[The term 'resident student' shall mean]: A financially > independent student who has established a bona fide domicile in this > state primarily for purposes other than educational and has purchased > and > is residing in a residence in the state; > "[and add a new subsection] (d) A dependent student, if one or > both of > the student's parents or legal guardians have established and are > maintaining a bona fide domicile in the state and have purchased and > are > residing in a residence in the state. . ." > > This appears to strike the 12-month residency (physical presence) > requirement for those who move to the state and buy a house in which > they > live. > > > 2. Strikes subsection (e) which allows resident status for dependents > of > active duty military stationed in the state; strikes subsection (f) as > > currently written (which allows resident status for domestic exchange > students (e.g., National Student Exchange), and substitutes the > wording: > "Active duty military personnel stationed in the state and their > spouses > and dependents." > > Active duty military currently are allowed an exemption from the > non-res > portion of tuition, which may or may not be granted due to limitations > on > waivers/exemptions. > > 3. Adds a new subsection (6): "The term 'residence' shall mean a > fixed > abode that is further defined by the higher education coordinating > board." > > > I just got a copy of this bill and have no idea if it'll make it to > first > base, but our legislative liaison wants comments on it. Perhaps you > also > have seen it and have an opinion or two. My comments: > > 1. Not many students are in a position to buy a house when they move > to > the state, but there are a few kids of wealthy people who can put up > the > down payment and make payments for four years, with the notion of > selling > it at a profit later on. Buy the house today, change your driver's > license tomorrow, and be reclassified as a resident on Monday. The > subsection (d) makes more sense, since if the whole family moves to > the > state and they buy a house, perhaps they shouldn't have to do the > 12-month residency period. > > 2. These past few years when active duty folks and their dependents > have > been covered by two separate sections of the residency law have only > caused confusion. As you recall, the legislature first told us to cut > > our waivers/exemptions by eliminating or reducing them. Then a couple > > years later they changed the residency law to allow military > dependents > to be classified as residents (for tuition purposes only), leaving the > > military personnel themselves on the waiver/exemption side. It makes > sense to treat them the same. > > 3. What's the purpose of this addition (subsection (6))? Why should > the > HECB be involved in defining "residence"? > > Any thoughts about all of this? > > Joe St.Hilaire > Western > > Tika A. Esler > Bellevue Community College > (425) 641-2205 > tesler@bcc.ctc.edu .