From lockyert@mweb.co.za Fri Nov 30 13:12:25 2001 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with SMTP id fAULCNn75368 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:12:24 -0800 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Nov 30 13:12:22 2001 -0800 Received: from laibach.mweb.co.za (laibach.mweb.co.za [196.2.53.177]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.11.6+UW01.08/8.11.6+UW01.10) with ESMTP id fAULCI904885 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:12:20 -0800 Received: from rdg-dial-196-30-234-108.mweb.co.za ([196.30.234.108] helo=al40) by laibach.mweb.co.za with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169uyZ-0004N1-00 for classics@u.washington.edu; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:13:40 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c179e3$a62a1f40$6cea1ec4@al40> From: "Terrence Lockyer" To: "Classics List" Subject: Re: Quintilian 10.7.11 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:10:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Alessandra Fusi wrote : When I read the text I just wondered whether it : was an "ability" one could learn or it was referred : to a sort of tool ( ... ) that helped the mechanic : writing. Quintilian is definitely talking about a mental skill or trick that could be learned by practice (compare speed-reading el sim. in modern times). The phrase "alogos tribe" itself looks to be little more than the Greek equivalent, or rather original, translated by the Latin "usus irrationalis" (="irrational habit"?). Terrence Lockyer Johannesburg, South Africa .