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From: "Steven J. Willett" <willett@suac.ac.jp>
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On 10 Oct 2002 at 12:50, Elizabeth Vandiver wrote:

> I've always assumed that "nosse" and "cognovi" in Catullus 72.1 and 5 are to 
> be read in both "plain" *and* sexual sense. Quinn (the only edition of 
> Catullus I have at hand) says on 72.1 *nosse*: "Copley holds that both 
> *nosse* and *tenere* in line 2 are phrases which lie wholly in the physical 
> sphere, but the parallels quoted by editors for a sexual meaning of nosse 
> are all examples of the compound cognoscere." Maddeningly vague, that--I'd 
> like to know which "editors," and see *what* parallels they quote.

Syndikus' commentary on 72 cites (III.10n9) the following for the erotic 
senses of cognoscere and tenere: (cognoscere) Prop. 2.29:33; Ov. her. 
6.43; 133; Tac. hist. 4.44; (tenere) Tib. 1.5:39; 1.6:35; 2.6:52; Prop. 
2.22:37; Ov. am. 3.7:3.

Thumbing through Tibullus and Propertius, the connotations look pretty 
persuasive, especially for tenere.  Consider Tibullus:

Saepe aliam tenui: sed iam cum gaudia adirem,
  admonuit dominae deseruitque Venus (I.5:39);

Te tenet, absentes alios suspirat amores
  et simulat subito condoluisse caput (I.6:35);

Tunc morior curis; tunc mens mihi perdita fingit,
  quisve meam teneat, quot teneatve modis (2.6.52).

Now Propertius:

Altera me cupidis teneat foveatque lacertis,
  altera si quando non sinit esse locum (2.27:37).





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