From cawbc@cunyvm.cuny.edu Sun Sep 12 03:07:38 1999 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id DAA35944 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:07:37 -0700 Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com [149.174.217.152]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id DAA08911 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:07:36 -0700 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id GAA05873 for classics@u.washington.edu; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 06:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Sender: cawbc@cunyvm.cuny.edu Received: from oemcomputer (mun-c45-020-vty215.as.wcom.net [195.232.42.215]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id GAA05861 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 06:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005c01befd06$a5ea9d40$1424e8c3@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Craig Williams" From: "Craig Williams" To: Subject: Re: Podsnappery, irrumatio, & Catullus (& Martial) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:06:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01BEFD17.2F2CE8A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BEFD17.2F2CE8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday, 10 Sep 99, Judy Hallett wrote: =20 > I also would avoid using the adjective "active" for those who use = their >mouths on other people's genitalia, since employing one's mouth to be >penetrated by a penis OR to stimulate a woman's organs etc. was = indisputably >regarded as passive or pathic behavior. Holt Parker's essay in Roman >Sexualities has a good discussion about Roman terminology and attitudes = in >this matter. Judy Hallett (sorry if I grossed anyone out...) =20 See also my review of *Roman Sexualities* at BMCR 98.10.16 ( = http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/bmcr/1998/1998-10-16.html ) where I offer some = criticisms of Parker's analysis, and my recent book *Roman = Homosexuality: Ideologies of Masculinity in Classical Antiquity* (OUP, = 1999), especially pp. 197-203. =20 =20 Craig Williams Brooklyn College and the Graduate Center City University of New York cawbc@cunyvm.cuny.edu =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BEFD17.2F2CE8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Friday, 10 Sep 99, Judy Hallett = wrote:
 
>   I also would avoid using the = adjective=20 "active" for those who use their
>mouths on other = people's=20 genitalia, since employing one's mouth to be
>penetrated by a = penis OR to=20 stimulate a woman's organs etc. was indisputably
>regarded as = passive or=20 pathic behavior. Holt Parker's essay in Roman
>Sexualities has a = good=20 discussion about Roman terminology and attitudes in
>this matter. = Judy=20 Hallett (sorry if I grossed anyone out...)
 
See also my review of *Roman Sexualities* at BMCR = 98.10.16 (=20 http://ccat.= sas.upenn.edu/bmcr/1998/1998-10-16.html=20 ) where I offer some criticisms of Parker's analysis, and my recent book = *Roman=20 Homosexuality: Ideologies of Masculinity in Classical Antiquity* (OUP, = 1999),=20 especially pp. 197-203.
 
 
Craig Williams
Brooklyn College and the Graduate = Center
City University of New York
cawbc@cunyvm.cuny.edu
 
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