From emonc@erols.com Thu Mar 9 08:00:38 2000 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA51040 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:00:37 -0800 Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.02/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id IAA06833 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:00:25 -0800 Received: from 216-164-225-60.s314.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.225.60] helo=erols.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12T5Lv-0001aB-00 for Classics@u.washington.edu; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:59:56 -0500 Message-ID: <38C7CABC.1D510193@erols.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 11:01:00 -0500 From: Ernest Moncada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Classics@u.washington.edu Subject: Carbingestion, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When Al Kriman wrote in the course of his interesting remarks of 'carbingestion and beautiful words' that "People usually prefer to go in a more dignified manner," I thought of the exception described in Seneca's Epist. 70, his account of the captive German in Rome posted to the beast-fighting barracks who asked his guards for permission to visit the "loo" before the morning show (the only time he was allowed any privacy). There, he choked himself to death by taking the sponge-tipped torche-cul and forcing it down his throat. Observes Seneca, Not vey clean, not very nice, but how stupid to be fastidious about dying. EJM .