From jlupia2@yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 14:18:24 2003 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.133]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW03.04/8.12.1+UW03.02) with ESMTP id h3ULIN1M040622 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:18:23 -0700 Received: from web13509.mail.yahoo.com (web13509.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.13]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW03.04/8.12.1+UW03.02) with SMTP id h3ULI9kB020077 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:18:13 -0700 Message-ID: <20030430211704.79299.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.39.138.192] by web13509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:17:04 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:17:04 -0700 (PDT) From: John Lupia Subject: Re: Periander/Thrasybulus story and Kaiser Friedrich II To: classics@u.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <4B02634A34EE6043B56B6CA32CAB722D31B2B3@exchange2.apsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > This resembles the advice Thrasybulus of Miletus > gave to Periander, according to Herodotus 5.92 > (advisor and advisee reversed in Aristotle's > _Politics_). I haven't tracked down the literary > sources for this exchange (Abulafia doesn't have > footnotes, but gives some bibliographical references > for the Italian despots of this period), so I don't > know if this reflects Frederick's learning or that > of his historian...I wouldn't expect familiarity > with Herodotus in the West at this time, Salvete Giorgius: The Franciscan monk, Salimbene, da Parma, 1221-1287, records several episodes in the life of Frederick II that draw parallels to Herodotus, which betrays it was known in duecento Italy. George Gordon Coulton (1858-1947), From St. Francis to Dante; translations from the chronicle of the Franciscan Salimbene (1221-1288), with notes and illustrations from other medieval sources. (London: David Nutt, 1907), pp. 242-43; 2d ed., rev. and enl. (Philadelphia, University of Pennsylvania Press, 1972) http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/salimbene1.html Cronica editions: Giuseppe Scalia, ed., Cronica / Salimbene de Adam. Series : Corpus Christianorum. Continuatio Mediaevalis ; 125, 125A (Turnholti : Brepols, 1998) Cinzio Violante, La "cortesia" chiericale e borghese nel duecento. Series : Saggi di "Lettere italiane" ; 49 (Firenze : L.S. Olschki, 1995). Joseph L. Baird, Giuseppe Baglivi, and John Robert Kane, The chronicle of Salimbene de Adam. Series : Medieval & Renaissance texts & studies ; v. 40 (Binghamton, N.Y. : Medieval & Renaissance Texts & Studies, 1986). Emil Michael, Salimbene und seine Chronik eine Studie zur Geschichtschreibung des dreizehnten Jahrhunderts. (Innsbruck : Wagner, 1889). Léon Clédat (1851-1930), De fratre Salimbene et de ejus chronicae auctoritale. (Parisiis : E. Thorin, 1878). Claims that the Vatican ms. of Salimbene's chronicle is in his autograph; this is disputed by F. Novati in Giornale storico della letteratura italiana, 1883, v. 1, p. 381-423 (See also v. 2, p. 344-349, 466-467). Cf. Clédet's reply in Revue historique, v. 24, p. 224-226. Alfred Dove, Die Doppelchronik von Reggio und die Quellen Salimbene's, Annales Regienses, mit einer Schrifttafel. (Leipzig : S. Hirzel, 1873). Ph.D. Thesis --Universität Leipzig, 1873. Cronica Thesaurus: Pierre Beguin, ed., Thesaurus Fratis Salimbene de Adam. CETEDOC, Universitas Catholica Lovaniensis Lovanii Novi. Series : Corpus Christianorum. Thesaurus patrum Latinorum (Turnhout : Brepols, 1992-) Valete, Ioannes ===== John N. Lupia, III 31 Norwich Drive Toms River, New Jersey 08757 USA Phone: (732) 341-8689 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News God Bless America __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com .