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From: "J.F. Gannon" <jfgannon@cloud9.net>
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Subject: Re: ay, ah ae oo
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:17:02 -0400
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I (originally from Rhode Island ) cannot tell horse from hoarse or border
from boarder either.  Can you illustrate?

J.F. Gannon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Catherine Mori" <cmori@stgeorges.bc.ca>
To: <classics@u.washington.edu>
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: ay, ah ae oo


> People here don't seem to hear any difference between:
>
> horse and hoarse
> border and boarder
> wether (weather) and whether
> what and watt
> which and witch
>
> C.Mori
>
> classics@u.washington.edu writes:
> >Interesting.  I'm a native of the Midwest, and have taught here for lots
> >of years.  I quite understand that there is *no* difference in the
> >pronunciation of "merry, marry, and Mary."  Not where I come from.
> >
> >However, I do not understand the difficulty your students have with the
> >first and second conjugation infinitives.  The first thing they learn is
> >that the "a" in Latin is *never* like "a" in "marry," or "a" in "hat,"
> >or "made," but is *always" "ah" as in "father."  The "e" technically has
> >two pronunciations, but they're very close, long "e"
> >like the "a" in "made" and short "e" like the "e" in "pet."  ay, eh.
> >
> >Therefore, the infinitive of the first conjugation will be quite
> >different from the second:  laudAHre  and  monAYre.  They have no
> >difficulty in distinguishing the sounds, and neither do I when I hear
> >them say it.  Now, getting them to remember to alter the sound of the
> >"e"  and change the accent on third conjugation verbs is another matter!
> >
> >jan gabbert
> >wright state
> >dayton ohio
>
>


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