From dlupher@ups.edu Sat Jun 30 13:54:51 2001 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.11.2+UW01.01/8.11.2+UW01.04) with ESMTP id f5UKso044490 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:54:50 -0700 Received: from mail.ups.edu (main.ups.edu [192.124.98.219]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.11.2+UW01.01/8.11.2+UW01.04) with ESMTP id f5UKsnX14658 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:54:49 -0700 Received: from [207.207.116.53] (wyatt1dhcp53.ups.edu [207.207.116.53]) by mail.ups.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5UKsk128580 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:54:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: dlupher@mail.ups.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:31:28 -0700 To: classics@u.washington.edu From: David Lupher Subject: Re: Jolie's Latin tattoo Many thanks to E. Christian Kopff for providing the evidence that it was a distinguished American (or Scottish, if you prefer) classicist who provided the key bit of evidence proving that Marlowe wrote Shakespeare's plays. (I haven't seen Calvin Hoffman's book, but I gather that the notion that Marlowe's murder was a Scheintod is not uncommon. I seem to recall it from A.L. Rowse's Shakespeare bio, ca. 1964.) One little problem with linking the shield motto in "Pericles" with the purportedly Marlovian portrait and motto is the fact that something quite similar cropped up in Lyly's "Euphues and his England": "the Torche tourned downewards is extinguishd with the selfe same waxe which was the cause of his lyght." (This was, I gather, first cited by T.G. Tucker in 1924, apropos not of "Pericles," which it fits pretty closely, but of line 12 of Sonnet 73.) Thanks also to K O'Ceriann for the kind offer of her TV. But I can't possibly let a TV into the house until the kids are safely off to college. The last time we let my son watch TV was in a motel on the Oregon coast, and what he saw, aetat. 4, was "Siegfried"---and, the next awful night, "Götterdämmerung." This caused immediate aesthetic and moral meltdown in the kid, from which he still suffers, 12 years later. In fact, he's made us shell out for "Ring" tickets for the whole family this coming August in Seattle. If Wagner could do that to a 4-year-old, what might Ms. Jolie and this Billy Bob person not do to adolescents? David Lupher Classics Dept. Univ. of Puget Sound .